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But its not bad for the well run resorts that accept deedbacks and have a sales and rental department or some other mechanism in place to deal with them

A well run resort & accepting deed backs don't have a one to one relationship. You can find extremely well run resorts that don't take deed backs and those that do. It is an important and individual decision of each what is in fact in the best interest of the owners. Sometimes its to accept deed backs - sometimes not. That decision process and the respect it shows for the owners - not blindly taking internet advice from uninformed posters - is why they are well run.
 
Are you going to answer this question that I posted above?

What percentage of your total earnings goes to a legitimate charity, and please provide a link to your public report.


100% of the total earnings goes to a legitimate charity.

There is no link to a public report. We are classified as a charity by the IRS as a private foundation. As such there are two basic differences.

1. There is no requirement of a public report.

2. Donations deductions taken by a donor to a foundation can not exceed 30% of the donors adjusted gross income. i.e. if the donor has a $50,000 income they can only deduct up to $15,000 for the timeshare donation to us. A normal 501(c)3 allows up to 50% of adjusted gross income for the donor.
 
So you are saying that 100% of your earnings stay in-house - in your organization?

Excluding salaries, office expenses, and handling timeshare deeds, etc., what percentage of your income is directly applied to charitable work?

On your website it looks like your charitable activities consist of maintaining health education info. on your webpage, and providing health education seminars? Is that correct?

Can you please provide a list of seminars you have held in 2012?
 
A look at words

"Fraudulent Conveyance:

A transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor, or to put such property beyond his or her reach.

A debtor who has fraudulently transferred property to cheat his or her creditors might also be subject to statutory penalties and criminal prosecution, depending upon the law in the debtor's home state
"

From free-legal dictionary
There is one small point you need to understand. Words have specific legal meaning under the law. Generalized use in everyday language does not hold up in court.

You quoted a valid law and it is correct. Thank you. However, the key words are "creditor" and "debtor". Until an actual debt is incurred by the creation of a due bill, there is no debt and this law would be used to throw out any resorts claim that their future bills constitute a debt against the previous owner. Such bills can only be assessed against the current owner and operate as a lien against the property itself. It can not be applied to historical figures (previous owners) nor be liened against other assets.

This is why such deed transfers are required to be "free and clear" by the title escrow company and any charity taking any donation.

Don't believe this? Please ask any lawyer before trying to rebut it.
 
RE: www.communityhealthtraining.org/Timeshares/ Is the purpose of your organization as stated in your original IRS application for a non profit organization with a tax exempt purpose from the IRS applications online? If so, please let us know where to find it on your website.

Is http://www.communityhealthtraining.org/CHT.htm your current organization's mission statement?

Does the purpose stated in your IRS application include helping timeshare owners? Is it part of your outreach for Elder Care?

Your questions were a little confusing to me, but I'll try to answer what I understand.

First, thank you for referring to our CHT.htm page. we are a small organization and don't keep up on our website pages unless we find there is a problem with them. In this case, the contact address was out dated so we corrected it.

1. The mission statement is correct and was established at the beginning our existence. It is not verbatim on the original IRS application since it isn't required. However it is essentially the same.

2. The mission statement, IRS application, etc. includes no reference to timeshares since timeshares are only a means of income production to fund other activities. For instance, it would not be appropriate and you would not find any such income production activity listed for the American Cancer Society, The Alzheimer's Association, Jane Goodall Institute ,or many other charities that accept timeshare donations.
 
This is why such deed transfers are required to be "free and clear" by the title escrow company and any charity taking any donation.

Don't believe this? Please ask any lawyer before trying to rebut it.

Your carefully worded replies and basic refusal to actually identify any charities you "support" give away your underlying plan. Like so many others, but admittedly not as at as high a price, you are in it to enrich youself not "help" owners. You think you have outsmarted the system but, again like others, you will find you have not.

I cited the exact wording of the law that applies in a previous reply - it's
The Colorado Uniform Fraudulent Transfer Act is codified at C.R.S. § 38-8-101 et. Seq. C.R.S. § 38-8-105, Transfers Fraudulent as to Present and Future Creditors, provides the legal basis for concluding that Transfer Company activities constitute fraudulent transfers. This section provides: ‘A transfer made or obligation incurred by a debtor is fraudulent as to a creditor, whether the creditor’s claim arose before or after the transfer was made or the obligation was incurred, if the debtor made the transfer or incurred the obligation: (a) with actual intent to hinder, delay or defraud any creditor of the debtor….’ The Association is a creditor of both the selling owner and the transferee. This has been adopted by 25 other States with more planning to do so. So lawyers have spoken and they don't support your "facts".

So bleat about rights and tax codes and charities all you want. The bottom line is you are running an operation to defraud and it is illegal. If you haven't been shut down or charged yet just wait. Your time will come likely very soon.

As for owners - once again don't fall for these claims or you may find yourself out of your money & in legal trouble. Don't risk it. And don't waste your money.
 
Gives New Meaning To Charitable Donation

Definately proves charitible deductions must be documented and comply with detailed rules!

June 15, 2012, 5:29 p.m. ET
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Lunch With Warren Buffett: One Giant Tax Deduction .

By LAURA SAUNDERS

An anonymous donor on June 8 paid $3.46 million to Glide, an antipoverty group in San Francisco, for the privilege of having lunch with Warren Buffett.

Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett

Is the donation tax-deductible? Experts say most of it probably is, meaning taxpayers in effect will pick up about $1.2 million of the tab.

"Celebrities of all sorts use their fame to support charities, both big and small, and the same rules apply," says David Lifson, a partner at Crowe Horwath, an accounting firm in New York.

The lunch is Glide's 13th annual auction of a meal with Mr. Buffett. This year's winning bid was almost $850,000 more than last year's; the lunches have raised nearly $15 million for the group, which was a favorite of Mr. Buffett's deceased first wife, Susan.

Like any other charity, Glide will have to send the donor a letter saying how much of the gift is tax-deductible, and the assessment must be able to withstand a challenge by the Internal Revenue Service. Last month, the U.S. Tax Court, in a case known as Mohamed v. Commissioner, denied an $18.5 million charitable deduction by a California couple who didn't have correct paperwork before they filed their return.

Experts expect Glide's letter to exclude the fair-market value of the lunch from the donation total. The law mandates a disallowance for any goods or services received in connection with the donation, such as the lunch, which includes Mr. Buffett, the donor and up to six invited guests. The fair-market value is the cost of the prepared food to regular diners, not the purchase price of the groceries at a market.

What is Mr. Buffett's company and conversation worth? Nothing, under an IRS rule in effect since the mid-1990s. It deems "celebrity presence"—as when a famous artist gives a museum tour to a donor who has won it in a charity auction—to have no value in and of itself. Mr. Buffett has specified that talk of investments is off limits, so he isn't providing a service.

A spokesman for Glide said details of this year's auction—such as who will pay for the lunch—aren't yet clear, but added that the charity does "employ the celebrity-presence rule" in its donor letter.

As a result, tax specialists expect most of the donation to be deductible in 2012, provided it isn't subject to other tax-code limits. For example, taxpayers can't deduct cash donations greater than 50% of their adjusted gross income to a charity like Glide; the excess carries forward for up to five years.

Mr. Buffett himself gets no deduction for gracing the table. The site of this year's meal hasn't yet been chosen, according to Glide's spokesman. In 2010 and 2011 the meal was held at Piccolo Pete's in Omaha, Neb., a favorite of Mr. Buffett.

In both 2010 and 2011, the winning bidder of the Glide lunch was Ted Wechsler, whom Mr. Buffett later hired to help manage Berkshire Hathaway's BRKB +1.04% portfolio. Crowe's Mr. Lifson says Mr. Wechsler was probably better off taking a charitable deduction than trying to write off the cost of the lunch as a job-search expense, which might not be deductible at all because of several different limitations.

As in years past, Mr. Buffett "will not talk about specific stocks or give stock recommendations," according to an email from his assistant. She adds that he and his charity-meal companions usually talk about "family, philanthropy, economics, the world, etc."

Write to Laura Saunders at laura.saunders@wsj.com

A version of this article appeared June 16, 2012, on page B9 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Lunch With Warren Buffett: One Giant Tax Deduction.
 
Your carefully worded replies and basic refusal to actually identify any charities you "support" give away your underlying plan.

I cited the exact wording of the law that applies in a previous reply - it's
The Colorado Uniform Fraudulent Transfer Act

The bottom line is you are running an operation to defraud and it is illegal.

I don't understand why you refuse to read direct answers to questions. We don't "support" other charities. we ARE a charity. There are no other charities to list. That's like claiming Planned Parenthood is illegal because they don't list other charities they support. Duh, they are the charity! Why is that so hard for you to understand? Refusing to accept that only reflects on your character and abilities. Please read before you make such absurd comments.

Yes, you did cite the law correctly. I don't dispute that. My only comment is read the words and at least look them up in any dictionary. "Debtor" and "Creditor" have specific legal meanings. To qualify there must be a legal specific debt of past due amounts in question. The idea that some future unspecified ongoing and ever changing growth of future bills constitutes a debt is absurd and therefore the law cited as applicable is questionable at best. Either ask an attorney, title company or real estate broker. They at least should have some experience with this issue.

It's obvious you're none of those. Please have a one of those comment on the legal nature of words and their applicability. I don't know the members of TUG, but there must be at least one here somewhere. Ask them to comment on this issue here so we can all read from another experienced person.

As for your opinion, your character and bias are showing. I would suggest you either support your assertions or contact whomever you feel appropriate to initiate legal proceedings against us. At the least, contact such a state or federal agency, give them all that has been said on this thread and a copy of our website and ask them if they have any grounds to proceed. This is a simply challenge. Either put up or shut up. Are you up to this simple task of making a few phone calls?:wall:
 
I don't understand why you refuse to read direct answers to questions. We don't "support" other charities. we ARE a charity. There are no other charities to list. That's like claiming Planned Parenthood is illegal because they don't list other charities they support. Duh, they are the charity! Why is that so hard for you to understand? Refusing to accept that only reflects on your character and abilities. Please read before you make such absurd comments.

SeniorDirector - just in case you missed it:

1. What percentage of your earnings is spent directly on your charitable activities?

2. Exactly what are your charitable activities?


*Can you please respond in this thread instead of sending me an email?
 
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Ducking The Issue. (Again.)

The idea that some future unspecified ongoing and ever changing growth of future bills constitutes a debt is absurd and therefore the law cited as applicable is questionable at best.
There is no question -- none -- that deeded timeshare ownership involves payment obligations going forward. That fact is pretty well understood all round.

It's not a "debt" yet (i.e., not due & payable until billed, per the resort's schedule) but it is a known recurring obligation of ownership, which you can read right there in the official condo documents recorded at the courthouse & incorporated by reference in all the individual deeds.

Pretending that Viking Funeral Ship schemes are OK because they merely involve deliberately stiffing timeshare resorts out of future known financial obligations, rather than skipping out on stale debt, is cute & slick. But it does not pass the smell test.

Will be interesting to see what happens when such organizations keep poking hornets' nests by daring the authorities to Try & Stop Me.

Charity is as charity does. (Just saying.)

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
Seems like the senior director has answered the questions posted in great detail, and is certainly confident that his operation is legal.

If TUG members want to continue to pound him on their opinions, so be it. I doubt he'll stay around much longer.
There are simply people here that will never be satisfied and can only see their side of the argument.
 
Dundey - Since this seems to be clear to you, what are the charitable activities that his charity is involved in? :shrug:
 
I disagree...

Seems like the senior director has answered the questions posted in great detail, and is certainly confident that his operation is legal.

It seems to me like you are confusing Mr. Rich's assertive confidence with actual, warranted credibility...

...And no, Mr. Rich most certainly has not answered some critically relevant and important questions but has instead consistently and studiously avoided several, including the one above repeatedly posed by Denise.

It has been said that "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"; that's certainly always an option.
Asking pertinent and relevant questions about dubious or irrelevant claims hardly constitutes "pounding" on the confident claimant, although it is certainly your prerogative to try to subjectively portray it that way.
A prosecutor would instead regard such questioning as simply "examining the witness" --- although this particular witness is neither under oath nor (as already repeatedly demonstrated) can he be compelled to actually provide responsive answers the questions posed to him... :rolleyes:

In any case, as John Chase has already astutely observed, we shall all see if Mr. Rich's "operation" even still exists a year from now, once applicable law is applied to put that "operation" into some bright sunlight. :shrug:
 
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SeniorDirector - just in case you missed it:

1. What percentage of your earnings is spent directly on your charitable activities?

2. Exactly what are your charitable activities?


*Can you please respond in this thread instead of sending me an email?



A quick look at Community Health Services website gives me the answer to question 2:

Our purpose is to provide information, seminars, and tools at no or low cost to the public for the improvement of their life. Our philosophy is strongly medically based in core health care science and research.

A Federal Non-Profit Corporation dedicated to bringing no and
low cost health care information to both professionals and the public

Pain Control Without Drugs


As to question 1, Doctor Rich answered that in this thread : 100%
 
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Based on what Dr. Rich said above, this is not correct. He stated above that the maintenance fees must be current to donate to him. So "donating" your timeshare to this company turns a dues paying owner into a deadbeat!

Although its true , maintenance fees have to be current to transfer a timeshare to a new owner, I dont think Dr Rich turns a dues paying owner into a deadbeat......let me rephrase what I said to provoke this response


The desire to be done with the timeshare was there before the owner ever heard of Dr Rich. I dont think Dr Rich puts the idea of selling into the sellers head.

So stated a little clearer, my statement becomes....Whats the difference to the resort, if I decide to stop making maintenance fee payments, or if I transfer my ownership to someone else that says they will stop making maintenance fee payments?

Either way next years payment isnt going to be made and either way the resort is going to have to deal with it...You seem to prefer the more expensive route: foreclosure


I understand that you think an easy way out for folks that want out will cause a rash of defaults and bring the timeshare industry down, or at least certain resorts, so we have to keep secret the possibility that one can just say no to their fees, or use the services of a PCC or other timeshare relief company. But there is a simple solution...and Dr Rich has provided it...In three years, after Dr Riches holding period, take it back (no one will know)
 
Systematically Making Personal Problems The HOA's Problem -- For Fun & Profit.

Whats the difference to the resort, if I decide to stop making maintenance fee payments, or if I transfer my ownership to someone else that says they will stop making maintenance fee payments?

Either way next years payment isnt going to be made and either way the resort is going to have to deal with it.
That's the nub of the problem. Some individual with money trouble, or some other individual who just gets tired of owning a timeshare, decides to bail without taking responsibility.

That's the individual's problem, not the timeshare HOA's problem.

These various Viking Funeral Ship operations -- for profit or for charity mox nix -- simply contrive to stick the timeshare HOA with the consequences of the individual's inability or unwillingness to live up to the ongoing financial obligations of timeshare ownership.

Sticking it to the HOA does not mean sticking it to some timeshare company. The HOA is simply the managing body representing all the responsible fee-paying owners at the timeshare.

Slick Viking Funeral Ship operators are exploiting a perceived gap in the firewall protecting HOA's (i.e., fellow timeshare owners) from the deadbeats who can't or won't pay, & who can't or won't bother themselves to sell or give away their timeshare deeds to new good-faith owners.

Various states apparently have already moved to close the gap & reinforce the firewall. More power to them.

And meanwhile, shux upon the captains & crews of the Viking Funeral Ships.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
SeniorDirector - just in case you missed it:

1. What percentage of your earnings is spent directly on your charitable activities?

2. Exactly what are your charitable activities?


*Can you please respond in this thread instead of sending me an email?

DeniseM, I didn't miss it. I answered it. We are not supposed to use this forum as advertising and I've agreed to abide by that. I've tried to remain simply an information and response source. So, I don't list web pages that answer your questions, although they are there and I believe you've already read them.

I sent you a private email in answer to your irrelevant question of what kind of doctor I am. In that response I, also, gave you more information on my background than you asked. If you wish, you may quote it IN FULL herein so others can read about my background.

1. Since we do not pay salaries or even consulting or teaching fees, do not maintain a full time office or staff, and have minimal expenses almost all of our funds are spent on charitable activities. We report them to the IRS, but we will definitely NOT report line items expenses to you or any other obviously biased deep mining propagandist.

2. As answered by another forum member, our charitable activities are listed on our website. Please review that.

That's the individual's problem, not the timeshare HOA's problem.

...deadbeats who can't or won't pay, & who can't or won't bother themselves to sell or give away their timeshare deeds to new good-faith owners.


Actually, it IS the HOA's problem as you and a few others have so strongly commented on herein.

Unfortunately, someone who is unable to pay their bills is NOT necessarily a deadbeat and many un- or under-employed individuals have sought relief from the resorts, only to be ignored.

Since there is a cost to someone donating their timeshare to us, we encourage people to find someone willing to take it for free. If it's not too much trouble for you, why don't you give us a list of individuals and companies willing to take timeshares for free? By the way, don't forget to provide their criteria for what they accept, like it must be a Disney resort or a top week at a Hilton or the receiver can EASILY sell it quickly.

Instead of damning a solution give some suggestion to those "deadbeats" who are too lazy to look for a cheaper solution.

As for waiting for our shutdown, we were incorporated and began operation in 2002. We have been accepting timeshares for over 4 years. Keep on waiting. Legal companies and activities, like us, have no need to worry. BTW, we don't plan on leaving under irritation of uninformed and prejudiced commenters. We believe individuals reading this forum have the right to reasoned information and answers to flippant flames. We actually look forward to the continued responses so we can get the truth out to those needing relief.
 
Been There. Done That.

If it's not too much trouble for you, why don't you give us a list of individuals and companies willing to take timeshares for free?
Shux, we successfully gave away three -- 3 -- timeshares to willing recipients within the past 2 years. (Four of'm if you count the 1 we deeded back to the resort, with advance cooperation & permission.) Not a Disney or a Hilton in the bunch.

It was hardly any trouble, mainly just a matter of doing what's necessary & following through, rather than throwing up our hands & making it somebody else's problem.

You want a list of willing recipients? No problem. Do what we did. Find'm yourself, 1 at a time. Anybody can do it. No Viking Funeral Ships necessary.

If we can do it -- & we not only can do it but have done so successfully, 3 or 4 times -- then others can do it too. Even you. We claim no special expertise. We just claim a sense of responsibility. (Who knew that would turn out be such a rare commodity?)

BTW, deadbeats are simply people who persistently fail to pay personal debts or expenses. Some may be unable to pay (including the unemployed & underemployed), others merely unwilling. That's not a matter of prejudice or anything like it. It's simply how it is. Deadbeats are deadbeats. You could look it up.

You want positive suggestions for timeshare deadbeats so they don't need to resort to Viking Funeral Ship schemes? Also no problem. Just have'm read the giveaway suggestions freely & repeatedly offered right here on TUG-BBS. The way to do it has been spelled out in detail over & over.

The truth is out there. And it has nothing to do with Viking Funeral Ship schemes.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
1. Since we do not pay salaries or even consulting or teaching fees, do not maintain a full time office or staff, and have minimal expenses almost all of our funds are spent on charitable activities. We report them to the IRS, but we will definitely NOT report line items expenses to you or any other obviously biased deep mining propagandist.

2. As answered by another forum member, our charitable activities are listed on our website. Please review that.

I looked at your website and it is extremely vague - in fact it's mostly about your timeshare business - that's exactly why I asked:

Our purpose is to provide information, seminars, and tools at no or low cost to the public for the improvement of their life. Our philosophy is strongly medically based in core health care science and research.

This site is a work in progress. We are constantly looking for health care professionals who want to provide information or services to the public based on our ideals. If you are such a person or know someone with such information, please let us know.

If you are interested in helping to support this organization, please click here. We are a federally authorized non-profit organization that accepts tax-deductible donations.

You claim to be a legitimate charity, but you refuse to disclose your charitable activities? There is no rational reason for a reputable charity to respond this way. I think you refusal to respond says it all...
 
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Well said...

<snip> We claim no special expertise. We just claim a sense of responsibility. (Who knew that would turn out be such a rare commodity?) <snip>

Good on 'ya, Alan. :clap:

To have to endure the denial-based line of reasoning that "It's the HOA's fault (...certainly not my own responsibility or problem) that the HOA won't just take back, right now, that which I once chose to purchase --- but now no longer want" is something which I personally find objectionable, if not outright offensive.
 
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I Resemble That Remark.

To have to endure the denial-based line of reasoning that "It's the HOA's fault (...certainly not my responsibility or problem) that the HOA won't just take back, right now, that which I once chose to purchase --- but now no longer want" is something which I personally find much more than a little objectionable.
Same here.

But that's just because I'm so prejudiced & irrelevant & flippant & unreasoned & uninformed & uncharitable & otherwise lacking in character. (Old & fat & ugly & subluxated, too. But that's another story.)

Then again, nobody's perfect.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
And don't forget those "poor, un/under employed" barely scraping by looking to dump what they bought and agreed to pay to the HOA somehow DO find $500 to give to this "charity". That may or may not even be a charity only to do exactly what they could do for free themselves. Apparently they have time on their hands as they are un/under employed and have no money coming in, so why not use it productively to save themselves $500? Because it's so much easier to blame it on others & look to get out unscathed.

These enablers of the over-privileged who took a risk and lost but want others to be responsible are a very bad joke. I didn't see these folks looking for free outs now showering the money they were throwing away in the good times on needy charities but now they want help. Let them do it themselves so they appreciate what they have and not get it handed to them yet again.
 
Denise:

I would have bet the farm around 8:30AM when I logged on web site there was a copy of DOCs web site posted here. Or, am I having one of those days when problem is not remembering what I had for breakfast but did I forget to eat breakfast and take ten pills?

****
I do not dispute one can easily take $500 tax deduction for a check donation to a charity and is cheaper than giving PCC several thousand. Cutoff on documentation. However, IMO most people dumping today are having delayed buyers remorse! If really broke file bankruptcy.

However, after reading IRS web site on contributions and instructions for completing mandatory IRS Form 8283 no way in Hell would I sign under penalty of perjury my worthless time share is worth $5K.(Tried to copy form but olde control C does not work but maybe a savyy IT person knows how!)

Instructions specifically state if a car and one claims $5K dedution and charity sells for a thousand that is allowed deduction. If I were an IRS auditor with a little knowledge of time shares I would assert if DOC throws Deed in fire place can it has zero value and assess 25% penalties and interest.

Also, IRS has tables which show by income levels deductions by categories. While one has to use actual, their audit programs flag returns over the average for additional review. If Joe taxpayer who has been taking standard deduction for years suddenly shows huge charitable deduction he is begging for an audit.
 
I looked at your website and it is extremely vague - in fact it's mostly about your timeshare business
If you wish to misinform others, I will respond.

As I said, timeshares are only a small part of our total activity and simply a manner of income production. As such if you truly reviewed our website you would have found more than 75 pages dealing with specific health care issues, patient instructions, professional training, and more. The root website page is http://www.communityhealthtraining.org/. Hopefully, TUG will allow this link for it's informational rebuttal to an untruth. We welcome anyone to view our website information for non-drug pain control, which is our primary focus.
 
That's the nub of the problem. Some individual with money trouble, or some other individual who just gets tired of owning a timeshare, decides to bail without taking responsibility.

That's the individual's problem, not the timeshare HOA's problem.

These various Viking Funeral Ship operations -- for profit or for charity mox nix -- simply contrive to stick the timeshare HOA with the consequences of the individual's inability or unwillingness to live up to the ongoing financial obligations of timeshare ownership.

Sticking it to the HOA does not mean sticking it to some timeshare company. The HOA is simply the managing body representing all the responsible fee-paying owners at the timeshare.

Slick Viking Funeral Ship operators are exploiting a perceived gap in the firewall protecting HOA's (i.e., fellow timeshare owners) from the deadbeats who can't or won't pay, & who can't or won't bother themselves to sell or give away their timeshare deeds to new good-faith owners.

Various states apparently have already moved to close the gap & reinforce the firewall. More power to them.

And meanwhile, shux upon the captains & crews of the Viking Funeral Ships.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

Alan

When I stop paying my maintenance fees it is a problem for the hoa...who else

I understand that its my responsibility as an owner, but when I dont meet my responsibility it does become a problem for someone else..it this case the hoa. abd it a problem they have to solve, either by setting the dogs on me collections agents or breaking my kneecaps, but it that doesnt work they have to foreclose....and thats a problem for the hoa, and as long as the interval is not producing any fees or rental income its a problem for the owners that do pay.

Thats the point, Deadbeat owners are a problem that the hoa has to deal with...How can you say otherwise? You may not like my simple approach(accept deadbacks and establish a sales and rental operation) but I dont see anything better
 
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