You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[HitchHiker71]

Yes. You would be amazed at the space that is freed up when you have an EV that is designed as an EV, not an ICE with an electric motor and batteries. There is also plenty of room in the back seat. While the Bolt EV was not designed as a crossover, the additional height required to put batteries on the floor, puts the seat at "butt" level, so you are not falling into or pulling yourself out of the car.

Yep, when you don’t have to make a considerable amount of room for a ICE or for a fuel tank, since the battery pack is literally situated right under the seating area, it makes for a more roomy design. The MY and Bolt share a similar design with this in mind. Both have a surprising amount of room inside. I’d rather have a frunk, that’s about the only critique I’ve got with the Bolt.


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[DrQ]

Polestar's losses widen, aims to keep Nasdaq listing with reverse stock split​

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/polestar-plans-reverse-stock-split-keep-nasdaq-listing-losses-mount-2025-11-12/

Nov 12 (Reuters) - Polestar reported a wider third-quarter loss on Wednesday and said it would conduct a reverse stock split - reducing the number of its existing shares while increasing their value - in an attempt to retain its Nasdaq listing.​

Shares in the company, majority-owned by China's Geely Holding (GEELY.UL) and chair Li Shufu, dropped as much as 17% in early New York trading.​

 

[HitchHiker71]

I wonder how many folks actually are aware that the EV federal tax credits have actually expired though.

 

[buzglyd]

Took a rock to the windshield of the Model 3 a few weeks ago. I've got insurance coverage for windshield. Safelite says they need the car most of the day because they need to recalibrate the front camera after replacing the glass. No wonder insurance is so much for these things.

I drive back and forth between Carlsbad and Scottsdale quite a bit and am always worried about taking a rock in the desert. I was literally a mile from my house in Carlsbad heading out to dinner and BAM!

 

[HitchHiker71]

Took a rock to the windshield of the Model 3 a few weeks ago. I've got insurance coverage for windshield. Safelite says they need the car most of the day because they need to recalibrate the front camera after replacing the glass. No wonder insurance is so much for these things.

I drive back and forth between Carlsbad and Scottsdale quite a bit and am always worried about taking a rock in the desert. I was literally a mile from my house in Carlsbad heading out to dinner and BAM!

This isn't unique to Tesla - almost all BEVs have multiple cameras at the top of the midpoint of the windshield for ADAS/ADS purposes. Dependent upon the Tesla model, there are either two or three cameras at that location, so yes, given they are right up against the windshield, they must be recalibrated both physically and via the software whenever the windshield is replaced.

 

[easyrider]

I wonder how many folks actually are aware that the EV federal tax credits have actually expired though.

Many buyers can't even differentiate a hybrid from an EV so I doubt most buyers even care.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Took a rock to the windshield of the Model 3 a few weeks ago. I've got insurance coverage for windshield. Safelite says they need the car most of the day because they need to recalibrate the front camera after replacing the glass. No wonder insurance is so much for these things.

I drive back and forth between Carlsbad and Scottsdale quite a bit and am always worried about taking a rock in the desert. I was literally a mile from my house in Carlsbad heading out to dinner and BAM!

It's crazy that so many mishaps happen close to home. In a way it's often a blessing in disguise, imo.

Bill

 

[youppi]

This isn't unique to Tesla - almost all BEVs have multiple cameras at the top of the midpoint of the windshield for ADAS/ADS purposes. Dependent upon the Tesla model, there are either two or three cameras at that location, so yes, given they are right up against the windshield, they must be recalibrated both physically and via the software whenever the windshield is replaced.

not only BEV but also modern ICE cars.

 

[DrQ]

not only BEV but also modern ICE cars.

Any car with lane keeping assist use windshield mounted cameras to determine the lane markers.

 

[easyrider]

I like to surf the web at auto auctions and ev's in decent shape usually sell for very little. I was kind of surprised that Tesla's seem to have a depreciation problem. Prices are down at the big auctions like Mecum and Jackson Barrett for nice classic cars.

Bill

https://carbuzz.com/ev-depreciation-over-5-years-ranked/

Used EV Prices: Auction Trends and Why Values Are Dropping | SCA Auction

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[youppi]

Any car with lane keeping assist use windshield mounted cameras to determine the lane markers.

exact but not only for that. Like @HitchHiker71 said, cameras can be used for different Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) functionnalities.

From Google Gemini:
Virtually all modern gas-powered cars come equipped with cameras and sensors, typically located near the rearview mirror on the windshield, to support Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS). These systems provide safety features such as automatic emergency braking, lane-keeping assist, and adaptive cruise control.
Major manufacturers that integrate these cameras into their gas models include:

• Subaru: Known for its EyeSight system, which uses a dual-camera setup to provide a wide range of safety features.
• Toyota/Lexus: Features the Toyota Safety Sense suite, which uses a camera and radar to aid in pedestrian detection, collision warning, and more.
• Honda: Includes the Honda Sensing technologies in its vehicles, incorporating cameras for features like road departure mitigation and adaptive cruise control.
  
  
• Nissan: Uses front cameras for its Safety Shield 360 features, including pedestrian emergency warning and intelligent lane intervention.
• BMW & Mercedes-Benz: These luxury brands offer sophisticated camera-based systems for ADAS features and even have available built-in dashcam functions (like BMW Drive Recorder) that can use the existing cameras.

Common Features Aided by Windshield Cameras
The cameras in the windshield are crucial for various ADAS functionalities:

• Forward Collision Warning & Automatic Emergency Braking: The camera detects vehicles or obstacles in the path and can alert the driver or automatically apply the brakes.
• Lane Departure Warning & Lane Keeping Assist: The system monitors lane markings on the road and alerts the driver if the car starts to drift, often applying corrective steering.
• Adaptive Cruise Control: The camera helps maintain a safe distance from the vehicle ahead by adjusting the car's speed automatically.
• Traffic Sign Recognition: The camera can "read" speed limit signs and other traffic signs, displaying the information on the dashboard or heads-up display.
• Automatic High Beams: The camera detects headlights and taillights of other vehicles and toggles between high and low beams accordingly.

 

[buzglyd]

Interesting that the FSD seems to be learning. In order to charge in our garage, we have to back it in. It was pulling up to the garage, opening the door and driving in forward. Yesterday it backed in. Simple things are kind of cool.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Interesting that the FSD seems to be learning. In order to charge in our garage, we have to back it in. It was pulling up to the garage, opening the door and driving in forward. Yesterday it backed in. Simple things are kind of cool.

As Elon has recently stated - by 14.3 FSD will seem sentient. We are seeing the beginnings of this with 14.1.x - but reasoning has not yet been implemented - this is supposedly coming in 14.3 though. The “learning” we are observing now is due to the neural networks constantly being retrained based upon additional data.


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[buzglyd]

As Elon has recently stated - by 14.3 FSD will seem sentient. We are seeing the beginnings of this with 14.1.x - but reasoning has not yet been implemented - this is supposedly coming in 14.3 though. The “learning” we are observing now is due to the neural networks constantly being retrained based upon additional data.


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I saw a you tube video of a guy talking about 14.1.7 but I'm still on .4 at the moment. Haven't seen the latest update yet.

 

[easyrider]

Interesting that the FSD seems to be learning. In order to charge in our garage, we have to back it in. It was pulling up to the garage, opening the door and driving in forward. Yesterday it backed in. Simple things are kind of cool.

Does the FSD work well at night ? I've read stories that a Tesla can lock the brakes for no reason at night.

Bill

 

[buzglyd]

Does the FSD work well at night ? I've read stories that a Tesla can lock the brakes for no reason at night.

Bill

It drove me home last night after dinner in traffic and no issues.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I saw a you tube video of a guy talking about 14.1.7 but I'm still on .4 at the moment. Haven't seen the latest update yet.

14.1.7 has only been released to the initial tranche of the EA group. I'm in a later tranche of the EA group so I should be getting it soon provided there are no major reported issues.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Does the FSD work well at night ? I've read stories that a Tesla can lock the brakes for no reason at night.

Bill

FSD 14.1.4 drove us 275 miles to Williamsburg yesterday, about 3/4 of which was at night - not a single safety intervention for the entire trip. A couple of minor quibbles here and there but nothing that actually required a manual intervention. IME FSD 14.1.4 it actually works "better" at night, because this early version is overly reactive in certain scenarios and since it "sees" a bit less at night - it's doesn't overreact to as much as during daylight hours. These safety overreactions will be smoothed out by 14.2 which will likely be the release for the masses - those FSD owners who aren't in the EA group and/or have "Advanced" selected for FSD version downloads.

I've literally never had FSD "lock the brakes" - literally ever. These were past issues for what was called "phantom braking" that are exceedingly rare once v13 came out (we're on V14 now) , which is going back about 2-2.5 years now (early v12 FSD versions).

When I say it drove us for 275 miles, here's my detailed breakdown for those interested:

First leg of our trip tonight - 203 miles at 285wh/mile - average outside temp 54 degrees. A couple encouragements. It did try to move into a lane with an overhead red X as we were approaching the bay bridge but I just canceled the lane change and switched from hurry to standard mode. First charging stop it pulled right into the Sheetz and proceeded to the charging stations and backed right into an empty SC slot and parked. Zero interventions.

We then made a quick stop at a local Starbucks to keep wifey happy - FSD didn’t pull into my preferred parking area nearest to the building, so I intervened by preference to choose a different parking area.

Final leg of the trip. 62 miles mostly at 80+mph at 306wh/mile. 45 degrees outside - higher energy consumption and higher average speed combined with cooler average temps. Zero interventions and FSD parked perfectly upon arrival at Patriot's Place.

 

[HitchHiker71]

For anyone interested in Tesla FSD safety data and ongoing tracking of FSD mileage and accident rates:

https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety

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