You BlueGreen folks don't seem to get it.

[dayooper]

"Hilton will swallow up BG and its owner population will flood into BG locations" - not true.
MAX is an exchange program - 1 trades out of BG, 1 can come in from other Hilton resorts (if they have put their own entitlement in). That's at 6 months out. Nothing has changed for us at Embarc, but of course sales are saying exactly what you just posted here. Are you a Hilton salesperson?

My first though was salesperson as well.

As far as advise. I would take cd5's (and many of the long time posters) over some rando any day.

 

[chapjim]

I mean, not only did he do multiple days of research differentiating and comparing the ins and outs of Marriott, Westin, Sheraton, Hilton, Hyatt, Bluegreen, Wyndham, Worldmark, Holliday Inn, etc, but he talked to really smart people as well

I don’t understand why you all, with decades of experience actually living this life and using these systems, wouldn’t take his extremely well researched advice (which his wife also agrees with by the way so you know it’s legit), accept it, and feel better knowing that you’re a little less dumb now

Man, sometimes people can’t get out of their own way and recognize when a genius is handing out gems

Thank you King! Please drop in with more posts like this from time to time

I don't care who you are, that right there's funny!

 

[zentraveler]

Long past time.

 

[zentraveler]

Time to put this poster on ignore.

Long past time.

 

[davidvel]

My first though was salesperson as well.

As far as advise. I would take cd5's (and many of the long time posters) over some rando any day.

That is why I asked them what they do. They claim to be retired but not sure about that.

 

[LegacyOwner]

My goodness. What a patronizing, bunch of know-it-alls here!
First I was accused of being rude because I said Max is a better product than just BG.
Then I was ridiculed for doing some research, but not enough for you. Witty!
Then I was accused of being a TS salesman.
Then it was suggested that I should be on "ignore" and trying to impugn my reputation in every post.

The reason for my post is to express my opinion that BG owners are better off having entry into the Hilton system.
Not whether you should buy resale, which is the standard response here.
I post here because after finding this site and agonizing over my and our friends ownership, I could express my opinion without judgement.
But unless you pay zero to a developer for a better ownership you are an idiot. Or worse, a salesman.
Sorry to tell you that Hilton Max, with its shortcomings, adds value to the old BlueGreen and is much better than leaving it alone, period.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

either use her Bluegreen as is or buy a Hgvc resale week and give away the Bluegreen.

Not sure why this thread even exists, but if there were ever a simple summary to be followed by "Good night, John Boy". I never saw The Waltons, other than Bill, so I had to look that one up, but there it is ... buy a Hgvc resale week and give away the Bluegreen, less you're perfectly happy with BG.

 

[GT75]

Sorry to tell you that Hilton Max, with its shortcomings, adds value to the old BlueGreen and is much better than leaving it alone, period.

Again, you added no basis for your statement. And the statements that you have made are incorrect. Sorry, but that is the problem

 

[CanuckTravlr]

My goodness. What a patronizing, bunch of know-it-alls here!
First I was accused of being rude because I said Max is a better product than just BG.
Then I was ridiculed for doing some research, but not enough for you. Witty!
Then I was accused of being a TS salesman.
Then it was suggested that I should be on "ignore" and trying to impugn my reputation in every post.

The reason for my post is to express my opinion that BG owners are better off having entry into the Hilton system.
Not whether you should buy resale, which is the standard response here.
I post here because after finding this site and agonizing over my and our friends ownership, I could express my opinion without judgement.
But unless you pay zero to a developer for a better ownership you are an idiot. Or worse, a salesman.
Sorry to tell you that Hilton Max, with its shortcomings, adds value to the old BlueGreen and is much better than leaving it alone, period.

"What a patronizing, bunch of know-it-alls here!"

You just demonstrated why you have gotten such pushback.

You are always welcome to express your "opinions" here, but that is all they are. Your decision after all your research may be right for you or your friend, but not necessarily for anyone else. How long have you been an owner in either HGVC, HGV/Diamond, or Bluegreen? Most of us have owned for a decade or more.

As HGVC Legacy owners we have been through three or more acquisitions already, so we do have some experience with this and with Max. In most of our "opinions", Max makes no sense, based on crunching the numbers, and actual experience. You provide no hard numbers or examples to back up your analysis, hence the skepticism.

Instead, you come bouncing in here as a "patronizing, know-it-all" and throw insults on top, just adding to the perceived rude tone. It is one of the reasons it comes across as the aggressive and insulting approach often used by some timeshare salesmen. And you are shocked at the response?

I'm also retired and have been on this earth for over seven-and-a-half decades. One of the things I have learned over the years is that you attract more bees with honey, and teaching is best done by leading, rather than by telling. If you are retired, I expect you would have reached an age where you might hopefully have learned a few useful life lessons. Try being a bit more gentle when interacting with others.

Passing on information is one thing. Telling everyone else that they are wrong, or "idiots", is another. You are welcome here in TUG, but try toning it down a bit. We are a community that prefers to offer civility and respect to each other. But respect is earned.

 

[LegacyOwner]

"What a patronizing, bunch of know-it-alls here!"

You just demonstrated why you have gotten such pushback.

You are always welcome to express your "opinions" here, but that is all they are. Your decision after all your research may be right for you or your friend, but not necessarily for anyone else. How long have you been an owner in either HGVC, HGV/Diamond, or Bluegreen? Most of us have owned for a decade or more.

As HGVC Legacy owners we have been through three or more acquisitions already, so we do have some experience with this and with Max. In most of our "opinions", Max makes no sense, based on crunching the numbers, and actual experience. You provide no hard numbers or examples to back up your analysis, hence the skepticism.

Instead, you come bouncing in here as a "patronizing, know-it-all" and throw insults on top, just adding to the perceived rude tone. It is one of the reasons it comes across as the aggressive and insulting approach often used by some timeshare salesmen. And you are shocked at the response?

I'm also retired and have been on this earth for over seven-and-a-half decades. One of the things I have learned over the years is that you attract more bees with honey, and teaching is best done by leading, rather than by telling. If you are retired, I expect you would have reached an age where you might hopefully have learned a few useful life lessons. Try being a bit more gentle when interacting with others.

Passing on information is one thing. Telling everyone else that they are wrong, or "idiots", is another. You are welcome here in TUG, but try toning it down a bit. We are a community that prefers to offer civility and respect to each other. But respect is earned.

"Word" to my Canadian friend.
BUT my point is:
If you own BG, adding Max is a major improvement over what you will be left with without it.
Some of the other clubs mentioned were much more expensive than BG and in my long life I've found that you get what you pay for.

 

[TolmiePeak]

My goodness. What a patronizing, bunch of know-it-alls here!
First I was accused of being rude because I said Max is a better product than just BG.
Then I was ridiculed for doing some research, but not enough for you. Witty!
Then I was accused of being a TS salesman.
Then it was suggested that I should be on "ignore" and trying to impugn my reputation in every post.

The reason for my post is to express my opinion that BG owners are better off having entry into the Hilton system.
Not whether you should buy resale, which is the standard response here.
I post here because after finding this site and agonizing over my and our friends ownership, I could express my opinion without judgement.
But unless you pay zero to a developer for a better ownership you are an idiot. Or worse, a salesman.
Sorry to tell you that Hilton Max, with its shortcomings, adds value to the old BlueGreen and is much better than leaving it alone, period.

Everyone knows that Max eliminates any value those Bluegreen contracts had. Look at those Manhattan Club contracts that were selling for $100,000. Once Hilton took over Bluegreen the value of those contracts went to zero.

 

[TolmiePeak]

Time to put this poster on ignore.

And miss out on all of the fun and excitement?

 

[CanuckTravlr]

"Word" to my Canadian friend.
BUT my point is:
If you own BG, adding Max is a major improvement over what you will be left with without it.
Some of the other clubs mentioned were much more expensive than BG and in my long life I've found that you get what you pay for.

And my point is that your strategy may be right for you and your friend, and perhaps others, but not for everybody. Those current BG owners, like @Glynda, who are happy with their BG ownership and want to continue to use it as they always have, will be able to continue to do so without Max.

Based on the integration of Diamond and Embarc, generally no current rights of use are taken away if you just want to use your BG ownership as you always have. Joining Max is ONLY potentially useful if you wish to access HGV, HGVC, or the former Embarc. For most of us, after crunching the numbers, you can usually accomplish that more cost-effectively by purchasing a resale ownership, which doesn't restrict your access across systems to 6 months out. Purchasing via developer retail might be a preference only if you are somehow intrigued by elite status. Most of us don't think it is worth it. It has very little to do with whether or not Hilton is a great timeshare system, which most of us agree is the case.

Just a point of view!

 

[WaikikiFirst]

If you own BG, adding Max is a major improvement over what you will be left with without it.
Some of the other clubs mentioned were much more expensive than BG and in my long life I've found that you get what you pay for.

I may be slow to recognize a living, breathing TS salesperson, but if that isn't right off the TS sales-card, I don't know what is.
Note the threat: "what you will be left with".
There always has to be some threat in there for existing owners and for potential owners, the threat is the hilarious "This offer expires today." I can't remember if there were any other threats in the only TS sales mtng I did.
What other threats do they usually make to potential owners? (other than the implied "you will live an unhappy life if you don't jump on this, and your relatives will hate you)

 

[WorldT]

This is a waste of time. OP has no interest in hearing anything other than what is in their head. Oh maybe, the intention did not include learning something.

 

[WorldT]

I may be slow to recognize a living, breathing TS salesperson, but if that isn't right off the TS sales-card, I don't know what is.
Note the threat: "what you will be left with".
There always has to be some threat in there for existing owners and for potential owners, the threat is the hilarious "This offer expires today." I can't remember if there were any other threats in the only TS sales mtng I did.
What other threats do they usually make to potential owners? (other than the implied "you will live an unhappy life if you don't jump on this, and your relatives will hate you)

The exponential growth of vacation cost using a base amount that includes flights, car rental, food, and accommodation all added together and computed using a rate pulled out of nowhere. Extrapolated to 10 years out. Final result: a number that is always bigger than the price they want to sell to you (they are only selling accomodations and nothing else).
I call it fuzzy math.

 

[Panina]

This is a waste of time. OP has no interest in hearing anything other than what is in their head. Oh maybe, the intention did not include learning something.

At least this thread will help future potential Tuggers who find us know what he is saying is not good.

 

[Candyman574]

The exponential growth of vacation cost using a base amount that includes flights, car rental, food, and accommodation all added together and computed using a rate pulled out of nowhere. Extrapolated to 10 years out. Final result: a number that is always bigger than the price they want to sell to you (they are only selling accomodations and nothing else).
I call it fuzzy math.

This is very true

 

[SmithOp]

The exponential growth of vacation cost using a base amount that includes flights, car rental, food, and accommodation all added together and computed using a rate pulled out of nowhere. Extrapolated to 10 years out. Final result: a number that is always bigger than the price they want to sell to you (they are only selling accomodations and nothing else).
I call it fuzzy math.

and never include the annual maintenance fees in the comparison.

 

[WorldT]

and never include the annual maintenance fees in the comparison.

 

[LegacyOwner]

Everyone knows that Max eliminates any value those Bluegreen contracts had. Look at those Manhattan Club contracts that were selling for $100,000. Once Hilton took over Bluegreen the value of those contracts went to zero.

Wrong. One has nothing to do with the other. And they haven't been worth anything in a long time

 

[Candyman574]

Wrong. One has nothing to do with the other. And they haven't been worth anything in a long time

This is also true. Timeshares are not a investment. They are a way to provide awesome vacations while providing value. But to try and resell to someone else they are basically worthless.

 

[LegacyOwner]

It is simply common sense. What happened to Diamond when everyone from Hilton wanted to use their resorts? Did it make availability more difficult for the Diamond owner?
Yup. I know this from owner friends. It will be the same for non-Max BG.
But if the BG person comes into Max, they get to use the Hilton and Diamond properties. Do they not? Yup. Is it something they had before? Nope.
Remember what BG is. It is not the big expensive programs. Getting more and better than what they had is a good thing. And I think the BG contracts are honored.

You are a group that thinks they know everything. Go ahead and fight progress.

 

[TolmiePeak]

Wrong. One has nothing to do with the other. And they haven't been worth anything in a long time

Because everyone knew the Hilton buyout destroyed their value. Common sense.

 

[TolmiePeak]

This is a waste of time. OP has no interest in hearing anything other than what is in their head. Oh maybe, the intention did not include learning something.

No different than the man behind the curtain in the wizard of oz. We don't need Toto to sniff out the lies. Tuggers are experts at that.