Wyndham Supply and Demand Questions in 2026 after resort closure?

[schreff]

If Wyndham is closing 20 or more resorts according to our TUG threads, how many weeks will be removed from the Wyndham inventory in total? Will this not create a supply and demand nightmare especially after the weeks owner's have already booked are cancelled? A THOUSAND QUESTIONS AND NO WYNDHAM ANSWERS.

 

[chapjim]

I didn't know the number was twenty but your question is still valid. "Nightmare" may be hyperbolic but owners will have to start booking earlier than they are used to.

 

[jp10558]

I believe the current thought is that very few people were booking these resorts that are getting removed, so the change should be small.

 

[Jan M.]

Some owners at the resorts being dropped won't be accepting the offered exchange of CWA points for their deeds and will no longer be owners.

A number of owners who don't own at one of the resorts being dropped, but exclusively or mostly stay at one or more of the resorts bring dropped because they are within driving distance, are saying they now intend to exit Wyndham.

Some people think Wyndham's use of the occupancy numbers to justify what is obviously a financial move is questionable, a little too convenient, etc. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but I do understand the skepticism. It isn't all that difficult, if you know what you're doing, to set parameters, manipulate numbers to make them show what you want them to show. As I've said before this is a financial, logic based move for Wyndham. The owners reactions to the loss of these resorts are emotion based.

I'm a numbers person and will go to great lengths to make the numbers I'm working with as accurate as possible. Some of these resorts have a decent amount of rentals by both Wyndham and owners and owners family/friend stays. That skews the numbers and also makes it easy to skew them. No, the numbers aren't as accurate as someone like me likes them to be, but I wouldn't say they're completely and wildly inaccurate.

In addition to the owners now looking at going to other resorts, the renters will also be doing that too.

1. Wyndham's numbers don't show a big enough picture to get a better idea of the issue of competition for reservations at the remaining resorts. In addtion to owner use, there's guest use, rental use, and use of the inventory Wyndham deposits in RCI.
2. Yes, we'll be losing owners, however a good number of them exclusively stayed at, or mostly stayed at the resorts being dropped.
3. Wyndham's goal is to sell and constantly bring in new owners.
4. When added up the total number of units being lost isn't an inconsequential number like some people seem to think it is.

Something Dolly Parton once said about a wardrobe malfunction comes to mind. She said her daddy would say that's what you get for trying to put 15 pounds of mud in a 5 pound sack. It's gotta go somewhere.

 

[Floridaman76]

I believe it will create an under supply and over demand problem at some resorts at certain higher demand times. I have been criticized for my opinion by some.

Guess we will see.

 

[WManning]

If Wyndham is closing 20 or more resorts according to our TUG threads, how many weeks will be removed from the Wyndham inventory in total? Will this not create a supply and demand nightmare especially after the weeks owner's have already booked are cancelled? A THOUSAND QUESTIONS AND NO WYNDHAM ANSWERS.

Never a supply issue if your booking window is flexible.

 

[Jan M.]

Never a supply issue if your booking window is flexible.

And that's the problem. Some of us are very flexible about when and where we go. Very open to experiencing different areas and resorts. I'd estimate that we're in the minority.

There's probably more owners tied to having to schedule vacation time at the start of the year or months out, school and sports schedules. Not to mention the owners who only want to stay at Bonnet Creek, specific beach resorts, etc. There's also the owners who bought to be able to book a certain resort for a major event week.

As I frequently post, we travel a lot with our timeshares. Added to that are our family's stays. This year we and family have had 63 nights at resorts that are leaving. We have family in Tennessee, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. I don't mind being generous but losing Fairfield Glade is going to hurt the most. I'm not looking forward to telling them I may not be able to find them something at Smoky Mountains, the other convenient resort, for when they call to say they're wanting to go visit.

 

[Arimaas]

Never a supply issue if your booking window is flexible.

I never thought timesharing was a good purchase unless you could be flexible. Unless of course you bought a fixed week at a place you really wanted to go every year. Although, I have to be honest, I've actually been pretty lucky in my decade of owning Hilton and Wyndham. Hopefully that doesn't change going forward as some of us worry about.

 

[jp10558]

I never thought timesharing was a good purchase unless you could be flexible. Unless of course you bought a fixed week at a place you really wanted to go every year. Although, I have to be honest, I've actually been pretty lucky in my decade of owning Hilton and Wyndham. Hopefully that doesn't change going forward as some of us worry about.

I think if you can't be flexible, you have to own where you want to go - fixed week makes that easiest, but floating week can be do-able I think. So far I can call up Gaitlinburg Town Square and book the July 4th week - a pretty popular one there from what I understand - at about a year out with no issue. And I would think the home week booking in HGVC would also guarantee you that week and unit. With Wyndham I'd think ARP would also make it reasonably simple to book where you own, at least for 2BR or smaller for sure. I did notice some contention in the summer in Wyndham at 10 months for say Oceanside, but it looked pretty bookable at 10 months in the May/June timeframe, and I'm going to try and remember to check for September/October as well.

That all said, I guess I also hope they open some new resorts to make up for these losses.

 

[schreff]

I believe the current thought is that very few people were booking these resorts that are getting removed, so the change should be small.

I agree that some of the resorts listed would have low occupancy; however, Skyline Towers in Atlantic City was always full along with Bentley Brook and Shawnee.

 

[dioxide45]

I agree that some of the resorts listed would have low occupancy; however, Skyline Towers in Atlantic City was always full along with Bentley Brook and Shawnee.

According to the attachment in this post, at least at one of the associations of Shawnee, occupancy was below 50%. The main problem is properties in areas with highly seasonal demand. Cold in winter without winter activities means low occupancy. So while it may be full in the summer, it is a near ghost town in the winter.

 

[schreff]

Some owners at the resorts being dropped won't be accepting the offered exchange of CWA points for their deeds and will no longer be owners.

A number of owners who don't own at one of the resorts being dropped, but exclusively or mostly stay at one or more of the resorts bring dropped because they are within driving distance, are saying they now intend to exit Wyndham.

Some people think Wyndham's use of the occupancy numbers to justify what is obviously a financial move is questionable, a little too convenient, etc. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but I do understand the skepticism. It isn't all that difficult, if you know what you're doing, to set parameters, manipulate numbers to make them show what you want them to show. As I've said before this is a financial, logic based move for Wyndham. The owners reactions to the loss of these resorts are emotion based.

I'm a numbers person and will go to great lengths to make the numbers I'm working with as accurate as possible. Some of these resorts have a decent amount of rentals by both Wyndham and owners and owners family/friend stays. That skews the numbers and also makes it easy to skew them. No, the numbers aren't as accurate as someone like me likes them to be, but I wouldn't say they're completely and wildly inaccurate.

In addition to the owners now looking at going to other resorts, the renters will also be doing that too.

1. Wyndham's numbers don't show a big enough picture to get a better idea of the issue of competition for reservations at the remaining resorts. In addtion to owner use, there's guest use, rental use, and use of the inventory Wyndham deposits in RCI.
2. Yes, we'll be losing owners, however a good number of them exclusively stayed at, or mostly stayed at the resorts being dropped.
3. Wyndham's goal is to sell and constantly bring in new owners.
4. When added up the total number of units being lost isn't an inconsequential number like some people seem to think it is.

Something Dolly Parton once said about a wardrobe malfunction comes to mind. She said her daddy would say that's what you get for trying to put 15 pounds of mud in a 5 pound sack. It's gotta go somewhere.

We are one of those VIP owners that you refer to in your second paragraph. We are older and have physical problems which making driving long distances and flying difficult so we stay at closer resorts all of which are on the list of possible closure.

Also, a big unknown is just how many weeks are already booked at the seasonal high demand resorts? When will these reservations be cancelled by Wyndham? Even now many resorts are already fully booked in high demand times making substitutes for the cancelled reservations impossible. What will Wyndham do if there is no supply when the cancelled reservation demand hits?

 

[Floridaman76]

Never a supply issue if your booking window is flexible.

Yes, and no. That's a very loaded statement.

Want to go to Newport, RI area in summer? Not a chance. Want to go in fall? Yes, if you book 6+ months you should be ok. Dead of winter? Absolutely. Sping? March and early April is ok, late April and May, not so much.

Steamboat, Avon, Park City? Tough during ski season, even months out. If you want Christmas or New Years week, forget it at these resorts unless you own deeded there and book at your ARP window or have Access and get lucky, or get lucky if you have VIP RARP and book at midnight at 11 months.

There's a few locations that are very seasonal and / or have short "seasons" that for one reason or antoher are hard to book when people want too go. Nobody wants to go to Steamboat or Avon in mud season, or some of the Northern non-ski resorts during winter. And in some of those locations fall and spring are short and unpredictable weather wise.

Sure you can always book in Florida or California if flexible. But even places like Clearwater you have to book close to 10 months if you need a week during summer.

Also, unless you are a retiree, most people truly aren't infinitely flexible. A huge percentage of owners travel with their kids and have very speicific travel windows (summer, winter break, spring break) that demand is artificially high every year.

 

[schreff]

Yes, and no. That's a very loaded statement.

Want to go to Newport, RI area in summer? Not a chance. Want to go in fall? Yes, if you book 6+ months you should be ok. Dead of winter? Absolutely. Sping? March and early April is ok, late April and May, not so much.

Steamboat, Avon, Park City? Tough during ski season, even months out. If you want Christmas or New Years week, forget it at these resorts unless you own deeded there and book at your ARP window or have Access and get lucky, or get lucky if you have VIP RARP and book at midnight at 11 months.

There's a few locations that are very seasonal and / or have short "seasons" that for one reason or antoher are hard to book when people want too go. Nobody wants to go to Steamboat or Avon in mud season, or some of the Northern non-ski resorts during winter. And in some of those locations fall and spring are short and unpredictable weather wise.

Sure you can always book in Florida or California if flexible. But even places like Clearwater you have to book close to 10 months if you need a week during summer.

Also, unless you are a retiree, most people truly aren't infinitely flexible. A huge percentage of owners travel with their kids and have very speicific travel windows (summer, winter break, spring break) that demand is artificially high every year.

Agree fully and for these folks it is a serious supply issue. Again, we must consider the cancellation of the reservations already made in 2026 for resorts closing in 2026 . I'm sure they will reimburse owners the points but where do they book for the exact cancelled week. What will Wyndham do if there is no supply when the cancelled reservation demand hits?

 

[Floridaman76]

Agree fully and for these folks it is a serious supply issue. Again, we must consider the cancellation of the reservations already made in 2026 for resorts closing in 2026 . I'm sure they will reimburse owners the points but where do they book for the exact cancelled week. What will Wyndham do if there is no supply when the cancelled reservation demand hits?

Keep in mind a lot of people here are retired older people and only think from their personal mindset and life situation, and discard other factors like "nobody wants to go somewhere you can't ski at in the dead of winter when you can't do anything outside and everything is closed down for the season".

I will concede that if your schedule is infinitely flexible and don't mind sitting in your room the entire time, yes, you can always find somewhere to go.

 

[jp10558]

Keep in mind a lot of people here are retired older people and only think from their personal mindset and life situation, and discard other factors like "nobody wants to go somewhere you can't ski at in the dead of winter when you can't do anything outside and everything is closed down for the season".

I will concede that if your schedule is infinitely flexible and don't mind sitting in your room the entire time, yes, you can always find somewhere to go.

I think that's a little bit too far the other way. While you might not want to go to a cold place in the dead of winter, it's also true that there's LOTS of availability in FL because there's so much built there. And in the height of summer, I think a lot of people actually don't go to the "ski" resorts, even though they have a lot of cool stuff to do in summer. I loved my 4th of July in Smugglers Notch for instance. Granted, I am pretty flexible because of my work situation, but if I was told, I need to book a specific week, and want to be hiking, or on some beach, or go to shows... As long as you didn't also say I must be in a specific area - I would bet with the 10 months notice I could book you something in Wyndham or via RCI. Almost every time. Now, if you want to go to a specific place on a specific date in an extremely high demand area - well, that's not being flexible IMO.

 

[shawnee83]

According to the attachment in this post, at least at one of the associations of Shawnee, occupancy was below 50%.

I'm a Shawnee fixed week owner and I can tell you the last few years the number of people in our little corner of the "resort" was very low. A lot of people coming for a couple days around the weekend, but mid-week the place was a ghost town. Now we are in one of the more "rustic" (i.e. older) sections and maybe some of the newer parts aren't so empty.

I also think that a lot of people who go to Shawnee these days aren't "owners" and don't seem to have the same idea of going to the Poconos for some peace and quiet. There there are big flashy resorts in the Poconos, but Shawnee used to be very quiet. Now we seem to get a lot of people who feel that a vacation just isn't complete without blasting their particular choice of noise at full volume until late into the evening. I think this makes for an unpleasant experience for a good number of people who decide not to come back if its going to be like that.

 

[Floridaman76]

I think that's a little bit too far the other way. While you might not want to go to a cold place in the dead of winter, it's also true that there's LOTS of availability in FL because there's so much built there. And in the height of summer, I think a lot of people actually don't go to the "ski" resorts, even though they have a lot of cool stuff to do in summer. I loved my 4th of July in Smugglers Notch for instance. Granted, I am pretty flexible because of my work situation, but if I was told, I need to book a specific week, and want to be hiking, or on some beach, or go to shows... As long as you didn't also say I must be in a specific area - I would bet with the 10 months notice I could book you something in Wyndham or via RCI. Almost every time. Now, if you want to go to a specific place on a specific date in an extremely high demand area - well, that's not being flexible IMO.

There's things to do at Ski Resorts in summer, admittedly that's why I specifically used "mud season" as my time people would avoid those places.

And yeah, I live in Florida and detest summer, so i'm on the "why would anyone come here in Summer" bandwagon, but they inevitably do.

And while Orlando Metro is massively overbuilt in terms of timeshare inventory, we will see how losing about 1/4 to 1/3 of the Wyndham inventory ends up working out... Not everyone can stay at Bonnet Creek, not everyone wants to either. Cypress Palms and Star Island were viable alternatives if you didn't have kids. And fewer points, to boot. Orlando International was a step below everything else on the Wyndham side in Orlando in my opinion, but it was inventory that's no longer accessible.

Just like a bunch of people said the Mega Renter purge and "owner priority" changes Wyndham made would not matter, we found the naysayers wrong.

It doesn't matter, we are all just along for the ride at this point. This time next year it will be interesting to revisit "what ended up happening" and the net result on our ownership.

 

[Jan M.]

According to the attachment in this post, at least at one of the associations of Shawnee, occupancy was below 50%. The main problem is properties in areas with highly seasonal demand. Cold in winter without winter activities means low occupancy. So while it may be full in the summer, it is a near ghost town in the winter.

Except for Crestview the other sections at Shawnee Village have earned a bad reputation because of the units being in poor condition and badly outdated which results in lower occupancy numbers. Owners, especially the longer time owners, have seen this happen at other resorts.

My question has always been how was this allowed to happen? Someone once posted the section of the Club governing docs that says units are to be updated every so many years. I can't remember how many it was, 5, 7? Money to do that is supposed to be in the resorts budgets just like the reserve fund. With Wyndhan people either controlling the resorts HOAs or at least having a strong presence on them, why wasn't that work done in a timely manner before it got that bad?

Here's what I learned in my husband's 40 year career as a risk consultant, inspector, and accident/breakdown investigator for several major insurance companies. He specialized in everything mechanical, electrical, etc, and would be given tours of various properties, heavy to light industries, businesses, hospitals, schools, churches, condo and apartment complexes, etc.that the companies he worked for insured or prospected. When you put off work that needs done, things that need replaced, it just gets more and more expensive and often causes problems with other things that then need repaired or replaced too.

A lot of this was happening when Wyndham was building, developing, and expanding Bonnet Creek. Bonnet Creek has never waited for units to be updated or work to be done from what I've seen. That's what happens when you're Daddy and Mommy's favorite, the pretty princess or prince, and not the red-haired stepchild of resorts. Lol

By the end of this 3 month long fall trip we'll have stayed at 57, possibly 58 different Wyndham resorts. Far too many times I've seen things like carpet, certain pieces of furniture, appliances that quite clearly should have been replaced in the updates but weren't. Meanwhile money was spent on other things that weren't as needed or even needed at all. The lobbies always seem to get a complete makeover at great expense out of that money just because Wyndham can not because it's actually needed.

Sorry for the rant but the occupancy numbers at some of these resorts are low because they were let go for far too long.

 

[Floridaman76]

Except for Crestview the other sections at Shawnee Village have earned a bad reputation because of the units being in poor condition and badly outdated which results in lower occupancy numbers. Owners, especially the longer time owners, have seen this happen at other resorts.

My question has always been how was this allowed to happen? When you put off work that needs done, things that need replaced, it just gets more and more expensive and often causes problems with other things that then need repaired or replaced too.

A lot of this was happening when Wyndham was building, developing, and expanding Bonnet Creek. Bonnet Creek has never waited for units to be updated or work to be done from what I've seen. That's what happens when you're Daddy and Mommy's favorite, the pretty princess or prince, and not the red-haired stepchild of resorts. Lol

By the end of this 3 month long fall trip we'll have stayed at 57, possibly 58 different Wyndham resorts. Far too many times I've seen things like carpet, certain pieces of furniture, appliances that quite clearly should have been replaced in the updates but weren't. Meanwhile money was spent on other things that weren't as needed or even needed at all. The lobbies always seem to get a complete makeover at great expense out of that money just because Wyndham can not because it's actually needed.

Sorry for the rant but the occupancy numbers at some of these resorts are low because they were let go for far too long.

And that's just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the conspiracy theories some of us have been hinting at.

Defer, defer, defer...

Mean while owners and guests notice and think "this place is a dump" and don't gp back, and tell other people. And/or leave bad reviews on tripadvisor and google.

People notice and occupancy spirals.

And then magically right before (or after) these sales are announced, magiclly some of these long neg;ected resrts get huge makeovers.

Someone will get to reap the rewards of that money being spent...

Low occupancy can be explained at "places that time forgot" like Fairfield Bay and Fairfield Glade. But some of this feels like a setup, and part of someone's plan.

 

[chapjim]

And that's just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the conspiracy theories some of us have been hinting at.

Defer, defer, defer...

Mean while owners and guests notice and think "this place is a dump" and don't gp back, and tell other people. And/or leave bad reviews on tripadvisor and google.

People notice and occupancy spirals.

And then magically right before (or after) these sales are announced, magiclly some of these long neg;ected resrts get huge makeovers.

Someone will get to reap the rewards of that money being spent...

Low occupancy can be explained at "places that time forgot" like Fairfield Bay and Fairfield Glade. But some of this feels like a setup, and part of someone's plan.

For sure none of us can say all of this is not sinister, a setup or part of a "plan."

However, assume it is NOT sinister. Would the way Wyndham is doing things necessarily be any different? Obviously, Wyndham is behind the "transitions." Fourteen (or more) resorts would not be pursuing sales at the same time randomly. Also, for sure the "certain members" who are cited in the proxy notices are Wyndham personnel.

 

[Jan M.]

And that's just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the conspiracy theories some of us have been hinting at.

Defer, defer, defer...

Mean while owners and guests notice and think "this place is a dump" and don't gp back, and tell other people. And/or leave bad reviews on tripadvisor and google.

People notice and occupancy spirals.

And then magically right before (or after) these sales are announced, magiclly some of these long neg;ected resrts get huge makeovers.

Someone will get to reap the rewards of that money being spent...

Low occupancy can be explained at "places that time forgot" like Fairfield Bay and Fairfield Glade. But some of this feels like a setup, and part of someone's plan.

There's a lot of things to be arranged when a resort updates the units. Wyndham's team of decorators puts together several furnishings selections and palates for the HOA Boards to meet and choose from. The updates at Patriot’s Place and Bentley Brook were likely well into the planning with suppliers and contractors under contract when another department in Wyndham started looking at dropping resorts. Think about the many past discussions about the silos in Wyndham.

We know that some of the resorts on the list are going to be a hard sell. I'm guessing this team said let's look at the numbers for some other resorts that numbers are justified, or we can make the numbers seem justified, and will be profitable to offset the ones that won't be. Companies don't like to lose money or not come out much ahead. That's not how companies stay in business.

All that still begs the question about why some of these resorts were let go so badly for so long. Wyndham put a lot of inventory they couldn't sell at these troubled resorts into CWA. The "promise" was that CWA maintenance fees were going to be lower than most of the resorts in the system and wouldn't see big increases. Neither of which of course turned out to be true. The excuse was always that the owners at the troubled resorts didn't want assessments or their maintenance fees to be any higher than they already were. But who was the biggest owner? Ummm Wyndham and CWA?

No some of the resorts aren't in areas that offer the glitz and glamor that not just Wyndham's advertising tries to convince people they can't live without. DisneyWorld isn't affordable for many families or is one time deal. But it sells the dream. Some people would rather stay home and have to work than go to the Disney parks, lol. Many families do want affordable vacations in different places where there are less costly things to do like boating, hiking, biking. Inexpensive local places to visit or explore. More relaxing vacations. They bring games, cards, and make their own fun. Many of us bought and still buy our timeshares to have that.

Wyndham has become so focused on selling their perception of "the dream" that they've lost sight of the their roots and the fact that the dream they're trying to sell isn't attainable often enough financially for many people or of interest. Some of us remember when the push was "get back to nature, relax, breathe" not fill your days with expensive activities and entertainments and eating out.

 

[Jan M.]

My Jim is lhao about not wanting to go to the Disney Parks. The granddaughters are 5 years apart and before both started grade school we did Disney World and Legoland with them a lot. We're Florida residents and had the girls come stay with us a lot. He really liked Legoland and often took the girls on his own but would gladly have skipped going with us to the Disney parks if it didn't make the granddaughters so happy to have him go too.

On this year's fall trip we're currently enjoying a two week stay at Starr Pass Golf Resort in Tucson, Arizona. He asked me how much one day Disney World tickets cost now and how much his tickets were to the three things he did. I booked them for him and the three weren't all that much more than a Disney ticket. Can you guess which one got a look and a h*ll no and which ones got a happy yes, yes, and yes, lol.

The Dark Night Discovery program at Kitt Peak. He was as excited as a kid when he got back and told me about it. He highly recommends it if that's something that interests anyone. Just plan ahead as it's only offered in the dark phases of the moon.

The Pima Air Museum. We've done the Wright Patterson Air Museum in Dayton, Ohio. He says Pima is much, much better. Just from looking with him at the brochures he bought back, and him telling me about it, I would agree. It's in the 90's here, I'm fair skinned, and being outside in the sun that much was not on my list of things I wanted to do.

The Titan Missle Base tour. He wasn't interested in doing the more expensive tour that takes you down to the bottom of the silo pit. He was more interested in getting part way down to see the control room that's also part of the less expensive tour he took.

Tomorrow he's going to get the oil in our car changed. I found a great deal on Groupon. He'd talked about going to Mesa Forge. It's been featured on the TV show Forged In Fire but wasn't sure he should go without me. I know he really wants to go and told him if he can keep his wallet in his pocket he should go while he's out that way. To not make me channel my inner Doug Marcaida and risk losing a certain body part with "It'll cut." The man doesn't need another knife, flashlight, hat, or t-shirt! I may or may not have been responsible for buying some of those items or encouraging him to buy some of them. Guilty, but no $300+ knives!

 

[shawnee83]

Except for Crestview the other sections at Shawnee Village have earned a bad reputation because of the units being in poor condition and badly outdated which results in lower occupancy numbers. Owners, especially the longer time owners, have seen this happen at other resorts.

We stay at our fixed week all the time and didn't really notice until we got an extra week and stayed in a unit in Ridge Top that was MUCH nicer. And I don't know what other resorts elsewhere are like. Our unit in River Village II isn't in bad condition but definitely outdated.

 

[Arimaas]

Agree fully and for these folks it is a serious supply issue. Again, we must consider the cancellation of the reservations already made in 2026 for resorts closing in 2026 . I'm sure they will reimburse owners the points but where do they book for the exact cancelled week. What will Wyndham do if there is no supply when the cancelled reservation demand hits?

Same question many of us have been asking on the “other” thread. It’s now less than 3 months out from 2026, and Wyndham has not communicated its plans for canceling reservations, not even a warning to people. Remember, the majority of folks that say own at a non effected resort or CWA and have a reservation at Skyline for summer 2026 have no idea any of this is going on, and likely won’t until they get that cancelation notice.