Wyndham Rewards Visa Refund

[Pathways]

If you buy a resale for a song and get 2 or even 3 years of usage but only paid MF for a few months before dumping it on Ovation, as you have gloated elsewhere, what would you call that?
Clever? Or crooked? Smart? Or smarmy?

Somebody else is paying the price for your con game or 'your use of your ownership as you see fit' as you smugly put it!

Imo, Ovation should do some extreme vetting to exclude gamers who churn the pot and make off with the cream!

I'm not sure if the emojis are just automatically appearing after every sentence (If so please find a way to shut them off), but between that and the essentially personal attacks, I think many of us are close to using the 'ignore' feature on your posts. I really don't want to do that because in your over 200 posts in less that 30 days here on TUG I do find some of your comments informative.

It would be nice if you disagree to politely mention that once, and then let it go

 

[SNA27]

It's not a personal attack. It's my opinion about repeated assertions about the clever use of Wyndham ownership! At others' expense and mine!

I am done with this subject! It annoys me but I will keep it to myself! I am here to learn other useful things!

Lawyerly points were for @Grammarhero. I will henceforth DM him!

I love these emojis! Do I really have to stop using them? <?> I better not add one here!

 

[Grammarhero]

If I were to buy a big screen TV at Costco, enjoy watching Superbowl on it, then go return it to Costco for a full refund.
Would that be a clever use of my Costco membership? Or Unjust enrichment as you lawyers would call it! I bet the tort laws have an appropriate term for this!

The way I see it, Strip-and-dump is unjust enrichment! Turnstile jumping may have been explicitly codified as unlawful and there may be no explicit laws governing the use of Wyndham ownership. But a lawyer or judge will deem it as unjust enrichment when the use or the abuse is properly adjudicated! Don't you think?

Unjust Enrichment
A general equitable principle that no person should be allowed to profit at another's expense without making restitution for the reasonable value of any property, services, or other benefits that have been unfairly received and retained.

Unjust enrichment has three elements. First, the plaintiff must have provided the defendant with something of value while expecting compensation in return. Second, the defendant must have acknowledged, accepted, and benefited from whatever the plaintiff provided. Third, the plaintiff must show that it would be inequitable or Unconscionable for the defendant to enjoy the benefit of the plaintiff's actions without paying for it. A court will closely examine the facts of each case before awarding this remedy and will deny claims for unjust enrichment that frustrate public policy or violate the law.

Wyndham will win hands down!

@SNA27 Please let it go. Not everyone here agrees with @dgalati 's methods.

TUG had a similar debate about the loophole of using a trust to transfer VIP to two unrelated people, which Wyndham has since closed. People on TUG had an intense debate, but then they let it go. https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/vip-transfer-to-new-owner-loophole.283964/ Some tuggers called the loophole fraud, money laundering, illegal, and unethical, while some say the loophole was perfectly legal and ethical.

That is the beauty of TUG. No matter our opinions of TS methods, we all come together to help TS owners.

 

[Pathways]

Lawyerly points were for @Grammarhero. I will henceforth DM him!

Thank you! It just doesn't add anything for most of us.

I love these emojis! Do I really have to stop using them?

While sometimes cute, they can be beyond annoying depending on the platform you are using to read/respond to posts. Of course, if you really want to see annoying, peruse a couple of the DVC sites where the posters have PhD's in creating emojis that jump, scream, and do more irritating things than a group of teenagers with nothing to do.

 

[Grammarhero]

Thank you! It just doesn't add anything for most of us.



While sometimes cute, they can be beyond annoying depending on the platform you are using to read/respond to posts. Of course, if you really want to see annoying, peruse a couple of the DVC sites where the posters have PhD's in creating emojis that jump, scream, and do more irritating things than a group of teenagers with nothing to do.

-_- I would expect nothing less of DVC TS owners.

 

[SNA27]

Haha! See, I hate the stutter texts I receive from my sons. I tell them to compose a complete train of thought before hitting send. I like a complete message fully addressing an issue instead of 20 stutter texts! But, I am just an old school fuddy-duddy who is not clued in on the current trends!;-) There, an old-fashioned emoji!

 

[SNA27]

Am I allowed to protest the ubiquitous acronyms? Is there a glossary that will help me get clued in?

Another thing, why do most threads here wildly skew away from the header topic and go off on a tangent?

@Grammarhero, I think I can pin this one on you! ;-)

 

[Pathways]

Am I allowed to protest the ubiquitous acronyms? Is there a glossary that will help me get clued in?

Another thing, why do most threads here wildly skew away from the header topic and go off on a tangent?

@Grammarhero, I think I can pin this one on you! ;-)

I just found this post on a thread titled:

Wyndham Rewards Visa Refund

 

[SNA27]

It was on topic till post #18 (mine), which fully answered the original question! Then it veered off and I went along for the ride! Actually it happens in almost every thread I have perused! Like a conversation at a party, I guess!

 

[Rolltydr]

I'm not sure if the emojis are just automatically appearing after every sentence (If so please find a way to shut them off), but between that and the essentially personal attacks, I think many of us are close to using the 'ignore' feature on your posts. I really don't want to do that because in your over 200 posts in less that 30 days here on TUG I do find some of your comments informative.

It would be nice if you disagree to politely mention that once, and then let it go

I ignored him several days ago. Trying to find the informative quote in the big pile of insults and snark is not worth my time. It’s similar to a Wyndham update as far as I’m concerned.


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[Grammarhero]

I'm not sure if the emojis are just automatically appearing after every sentence (If so please find a way to shut them off), but between that and the essentially personal attacks, I think many of us are close to using the 'ignore' feature on your posts. I really don't want to do that because in your over 200 posts in less that 30 days here on TUG I do find some of your comments informative.

It would be nice if you disagree to politely mention that once, and then let it go

@SNA27 has 245 posts in 17 days, or 14.4 posts a day so far. I have 1454 posts in 187 data, or 7.8 posts a day so far.

some of his posts are informative. He gives some good pointers on various Wyndham resorts and on renting.

I never knew how the other half (ie. Those friendly with Wyndham) lived or thought. So his points of views are illuminating. I knew Wyndham disliked resale buyers, but I didn’t know it was to that extreme or that Wyndham considered resale buyers as parasites.

 

[dgalati]

@SNA27 has 245 posts in 17 days, or 14.4 posts a day so far. I have 1454 posts in 187 data, or 7.8 posts a day so far.

some of his posts are informative. He gives some good pointers on various Wyndham resorts and on renting.

I never knew how the other half (ie. Those friendly with Wyndham) lived or thought. So his points of views are illuminating. I knew Wyndham disliked resale buyers, but I didn’t know it was to that extreme or that Wyndham considered resale buyers as parasites.

Resale buyers are competing against the Wyndham program called Ovations. If Wyndham can squeeze out the traders like they did the megarenters its more free deeds for Wyndham . They can call resale buyers whatever they want but we as resale buyers serve a important part of the Wyndham structure. What if every Wyndham VIP was excluded from using resale points with VIP discounts? Millions of resale points have been bought by VIP owners that can be used with VIP benifits. Would any VIP owners consider this gaming the system or sticking it to corporate America? I feel its taking what Wyndham is giving you. Nothing more nothing less!

 

[SNA27]

@SNA27 Please let it go. Not everyone here agrees with @dgalati 's methods.

TUG had a similar debate about the loophole of using a trust to transfer VIP to two unrelated people, which Wyndham has since closed. People on TUG had an intense debate, but then they let it go. https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/vip-transfer-to-new-owner-loophole.283964/ Some tuggers called the loophole fraud, money laundering, illegal, and unethical, while some say the loophole was perfectly legal and ethical.

That is the beauty of TUG. No matter our opinions of TS methods, we all come together to help TS owners.

@Grammarhero, that was a great thread of 5 pages. I learnt a lot. Could you please point me to a Credit Pool thread? It sounds like something from Harry Potter!

And while I was engrossed in that thread, (fully clothed but I am tempted to try that buck-naked underwear in summer) I see that you guys were talking about me behind my back! ;-)

I actually like @dgalati and how he stands his ground without resorting to insults even when insulted! I may not like his modus operandi but I have no quarrel with him as a person!
I have criticized his perspective but I have never insulted him personally and neither has he done that to me! Focus on WHAT's being said and not WHO's saying it! Or else, it affects your judgment! Just my belief!

 

[Grammarhero]

@Grammarhero, that was a great thread of 5 pages. I learnt a lot. Could you please point me to a Credit Pool thread? It sounds like something from Harry Potter!

And while I was engrossed in that thread, (fully clothed but I am tempted to try that buck-naked underwear in summer) I see that you guys were talking about me behind my back! ;-)

I actually like @dgalati and how he stands his ground without resorting to insults even when insulted! I may not like his modus operandi but I have no quarrel with him as a person!
I have criticized his perspective but I have never insulted him personally and neither has he done that to me! Focus on WHAT's being said and not WHO's saying it! Or else, it affects your judgment! Just my belief!

Respectfully, I wasn’t talking behind your back. I told you what I like about you and what I dislike. No one is perfect, including myself.

People have said I’m a smart, kind, helpful, resourceful person. But they also said I could be arrogant, political, and into gamesmanship too much - flaws I acknowledge and accept.

 

[SNA27]

@SNA27 has 245 posts in 17 days, or 14.4 posts a day so far. I have 1454 posts in 187 data, or 7.8 posts a day so far.

some of his posts are informative. He gives some good pointers on various Wyndham resorts and on renting.

I never knew how the other half (ie. Those friendly with Wyndham) lived or thought. So his points of views are illuminating. I knew Wyndham disliked resale buyers, but I didn’t know it was to that extreme or that Wyndham considered resale buyers as parasites.

I am a fast learner and when I was in college in the 70s, 'crash course' was a thing just before periodical examinations. TWICE A WEEK, Tuesdays and Thursdays!
16 weeks per semester, Periodicals begin after 4 weeks, go on for 10 weeks and then Semester exams! If I could handle that for 5 years, I can handle TUG BBS now!

Ony problem, my brain was a sponge then, but now I can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday!;-)

 

[SNA27]

That was said in jest! Had an old-fashioned emoji after that!;-) TUG BBS emoji is better! But, until I understand the platform-related difficulties, I am refraining from its use!

Just remember, 'young' man, you can't please everyone! Don't even try!
If you did, you and your father will be carrying the donkey instead of riding it! Haha! That was from an ancient fable!

Ok, Mr. Spock, you can smile now! ;-)

 

[Grammarhero]

@Grammarhero, that was a great thread of 5 pages. I learnt a lot. Could you please point me to a Credit Pool thread? It sounds like something from Harry Potter!

And while I was engrossed in that thread, (fully clothed but I am tempted to try that buck-naked underwear in summer) I see that you guys were talking about me behind my back! ;-)

I actually like @dgalati and how he stands his ground without resorting to insults even when insulted! I may not like his modus operandi but I have no quarrel with him as a person!
I have criticized his perspective but I have never insulted him personally and neither has he done that to me! Focus on WHAT's being said and not WHO's saying it! Or else, it affects your judgment! Just my belief!

I’m not even sure if it’s worth it to learn about an out-of-date Wyndham system. The credit pool was yesterday’s version of borrowing from or depositing points to future use years. “Gamers” would book resorts, borrow pts from future use years, and then deed back to Ovations or sell to timeshare brokers. https://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/wyndham_points_credit_pool.html

 

[SNA27]

@Grammarhero, you are always welcome in my home! If you're ever in my hood in SoCal, please permit me the honor of hosting Mr.Spock of TUGBBS!
Our hospitality will exceed your expectations! Actually, that's the definition of hospitality! If we don't exceed, we would have failed!

 

[TheHolleys87]

-_- I would expect nothing less of DVC TS owners.

I can’t find the words to express how sad it made me to read that comment coming from you. It disappoints me when people I respect paint identifiable groups with a broad, negative brush.

 

[Jan M.]

I can’t find the words to express how sad it made me to read that comment coming from you. It disappoints me when people I respect paint identifiable groups with a broad, negative brush.

I have to ask because I'm not sure. Grammarhero, did you intend for your comment to be negative?

In my experience DVC owners are a very happy group of owners. The same can't be said for any other timeshare group that I've seen. If the DVC owners are using emojis to express their satisfaction with what they own and their vacations then good for them! I wouldn't expect less. Yes some people find the use of emojis too cutsey for their tastes but different strokes and all that. And there are certainly people who could do with using a few less emojis because more isn't always better There are some really fun emojis and some that express a lot with a simple image.

So to keep me up with the times, is using hashtags# still a big thing or is that somewhat passe now? Asking for a friend. Actually my DIL. Lol.

 

[SNA27]

I just installed the Tapatalk app on my iPhone to see why emojis are a problem. It's a nice app and it looks like app the emojis are being converted to text or removed.
Nice app. But I prefer to read on my big screen monitor.

Btw, what is DVC and what is the reason for its fame or notoriety?

 

[Jan M.]

I just installed the Tapatalk app on my iPhone to see why emojis are a problem. It's a nice app and it looks like app the emojis are being converted to text or removed.
Nice app. But I prefer to read on my big screen monitor.

Btw, what is DVC and what is the reason for its fame or notoriety?

DVC is Disney Vacation Club. The reason owning DVC is a better deal than other timeshares is because DVC strictly controls the resale prices. If you are selling what you have to someone else and set your price too low DVC steps in and takes it back at that price under right of first refusal. That keeps the prices on resale higher than any other timeshare system out there. Which means that what you own has more value than just the enjoyment you and your family get out of your stays.

If you've never stayed at any of the Orlando DVC resorts staying at them has benefits other timeshare systems don't offer. At no extra charge the Magical Express buses transport you to and from the airport. You have use of the fantastic Disney shuttle buses to go to any of the Parks, other DVC resorts and Disney Springs. You can stay at the DVC resorts and not need to rent a car which saves money and the headache of driving in Orlando traffic and to and from the Disney World Parks.

The DVC reps assist you in making your dining reservations when you get your stays booked. DVC owners get discounts on annual passes. I think you might have a bigger window to book your Fast Passes too. There are other benefits but these are the ones that most people use. DVC has resorts in Vero Beach, FL, Hiltion Head, SC and Hawaii too. I believe that you can also use your points for Disney cruises and it isn't a poor use of the points unlike like other timeshare systems.

 

[SNA27]

@Jan M., Thank you for a detailed and informative post. My son and his GF go to Disneyland in Anaheim every year. Maybe it's something he would be interested in. But we already have so much Wyndham stuff.

How does WBC compare with DVC resorts?

 

[Jan M.]

@Jan M., Thank you for a detailed and informative post. My son and his GF go to Disneyland in Anaheim every year. Maybe it's something he would be interested in. But we already have so much Wyndham stuff.

How does WBC compare with DVC resorts?

This is somewhat hard for me to answer because we live in Florida and get the cheap Florida resident weekday select annual passes. That means a day at the Disney parks doesn't cost us an arm and a leg and we don't feel like we have to make the most of each day at the parks. That being said what you mostly find through RCI at the Disney World resorts are the one bedroom units at Saratoga Springs Resort. Once in a while you will find something at Old Key West resort. You have to be really lucky to get Boardwalk Villas, Animal Kingdom, Boulder Ridge anymore. I haven't seen stays at any of the other resorts or in a two bedroom unit available in the last several years.

If you plan on spending the majority of your time at the Disney World parks then it is certainly advantageous to stay at a Disney World resort. If you're only spending 1-3 days at the Disney World parks I would pick Bonnet Creek. You can get a larger unit there or at the other Wyndham resorts. If you're smart about booking rental cars you can get a car at a decent price because you will need and want a car if you stay at a non Disney World property.

We go to Orlando a lot and often have one or both of our 3 and 8 year old granddaughters with us. We've stayed at Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort and Animal Kingdom Lodge in a savanna view unit several times for each resort. In addition to Bonnet Creek we also like Star Island, Reunion, Silver Lake resort and Vacation Village at Parkway too and have stayed at all of them a number of times.

We are staying at Star Island right now and plan to do the candlelight processional at Epcot this evening. We enjoyed a beautiful sunset from our balcony last night.

 

[Grammarhero]

I have to ask because I'm not sure. Grammarhero, did you intend for your comment to be negative?

In my experience DVC owners are a very happy group of owners. The same can't be said for any other timeshare group that I've seen. If the DVC owners are using emojis to express their satisfaction with what they own and their vacations then good for them! I wouldn't expect less. Yes some people find the use of emojis too cutsey for their tastes but different strokes and all that. And there are certainly people who could do with using a few less emojis because more isn't always better There are some really fun emojis and some that express a lot with a simple image.

So to keep me up with the times, is using hashtags# still a big thing or is that somewhat passe now? Asking for a friend. Actually my DIL. Lol.

@TheHolleys87 Apologies for getting to this now, as I was hanging out with the wife, kid, and dog the past three days.
Apologies for not being clear. I didn’t mean the comment to be negative, but more jealous and acknowledging Wyndham’s flaws.

It’s awesome DVC has great resale value at about 50 percent of developer value and that DVC owners can express their happiness, unlike Wyndham owners who scrap for everything. I still have to call wyndham weekly.

I think it’s great DVC and MVC TS owners are very happy and treat their owners well, unlike Wyndham. Sorry for the unclear language.