Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[doeswyndhamsuck?]

Yes. And I hope I didn't do that, but wanted to share some history. What I talked about may, in fact, be in the plan.

It's like saying the votes are in the bag. That's really important to know! But unless we are careful, statements like that can discourage someone from voting. Voting is a fundamental right, and regardless of what the outcome may be, everyone should be encouraged to vote. It's still how democracy works! It may not go your way, but you have a right to have a say.

You are fine. What you said is in the statement, Wyndham provided on their website. I have to go on what we know. Which isn't much!

 

[chapjim]

Hello! New Here to this thread and so confused. My head is swimming. I have somewhat reviewed all 52 pages of this thread and my brain hurts.

I received the proxy vote letter too. I have called the resort. Orlando International. They do not call back. Shocker! I also called Wyndham and was forwarded to their resolutions department who had no info whatsoever. Only that someone would reach out to me before the end of the year. Huh? They don't know what is going on? Ya'll sure seem to know what's up on this forum.

I guess I am quite nervous of getting screwed by Wyndham. I don't really trust them.
Any advice is appreciated. I am sure everyone is tired of explaining or thinking about this but the ramifications seem rather large overall. 14 resorts. wow.
I own a fixed week at Orlando International. I have tried over the years to unload it but Wyndham won't buy it back. So, I just use it for booking points.
I need to vote against bankruptcy obviously?

Thanks

I have two fixed weeks converted to points at Orlando International. We stayed there once and have a two week reservation starting November 22. Otherwise, it has been points, just like you.

If you want out, your best shot is a sale of the entire resort. Vote for bankruptcy. If there are any residuals after all creditors/expenses have been paid, you'll share in that with the others who are hanging on.

I don't really care how it goes. I paid $1.00 total for both weeks, seller paid closing costs.

General opinion here on the forum is that Wyndham is behind the push to sell and controls enough votes to make it happen. So be it.

 

[kenautencio]

Wyndham shawneePA

 

[CO skier]

General opinion here on the forum is that Wyndham is behind the push to sell and controls enough votes to make it happen. So be it.

The "back story" is that Wyndham did not "control" all these votes over the last 30-40 years. Owners bought the intervals and then off-loaded them to the HOAs over 30-40 years. Wyndham picked up the slack and saved many HOAs from a mountain of "bad debt"; deeds that can now be voted to off-load these (generally unloved, based on owner occupancy -- and individual versus corporate ownership) resorts from the entire Club Wyndham system -- presumably.

 

[CO skier]

It's like saying the votes are in the bag. That's really important to know! But unless we are careful, statements like that can discourage someone from voting. Voting is a fundamental right, and regardless of what the outcome may be, everyone should be encouraged to vote. It's still how democracy works! It may not go your way, but you have a right to have a say.

I have always considered the discussions on TUG to be thoughtful and definitely more erudite than anything the facebook mob could possibly offer. I am not on facebook; is there any mention on facebook of what actually happened at a "closed" resort, such as what we TUG participants benefit from regarding the posts of what actually happened at the Pagosa Mountain Meadows resort 8 months ago? Not every affected resort will follow that model, as we TUG participants learned from the scheduled bankruptcy vote at Orlando International Resort, but it certainly rhymes and provides a look at what may transpire following whatever owners' vote at each resort to terminate the timeshare plan by whatever means.

Does anyone in this TUG thread think there is even a 5% (1 in 20) probability a Club Wyndham Plus reservation at any of the affected resorts will exist after 12/31/2025 (or certainly after 1/31/2026)? In other words, does anyone think the votes are not "in the bag?" If so, take your chances; if not, benefit from the knowledge posted in this TUG thread of what happened "last time" and book a back-up plan for the post-12/31/2025 Club Wyndham Plus program now (just in case the inevitable happens ), instead of waiting to the end of the year when there will be some degree of panic to book replacement vacations.

Just sayin'

 

[Jan M.]

book a back-up plan for the post-12/31/2025 Club Wyndham Plus program now (just in case the inevitable happens ), instead of waiting to the end of the year when there will be some degree of panic to book replacement vacations.

This is good advice and I truly hope owners with reservations at the resorts on the list heed it.

I wonder how those Christmas/New Year's reservations that extend to 12/31/25 and beyond will be handled. Will the entire reservation be cancelled or just the part past the night of 12/30/25? There's probably people who won't cancel their reservations that go beyond the night of the 30th thinking they'll at least have Christmas and a few days after for the planned family or group vacation. It wouldn't surprise most of us here on TUG if the entire reservations were cancelled.

I've been seeing posts on Facebook with people saying they have vacations planned with family or friends at the resorts on the list for dates including 12/31/25 and the weekend, spring break, next summer. They, family, friends already have the time off approved. Booked flights, rental cars, pet sitters, etc. A number of people commenting on those posts are encouraging everyone not to listen to what are in their opinion unfounded rumors. To wait for an official announcement before worrying about cancelling their reservations. By the time an official announcement is eventually released the pickings will be slim for Christmas/New Year's.

It gets better. Some poor naive owners think Wyndham will "have to" help the impacted owners find reservations at other resorts. Sure they can just magically make inventory available. The resorts that you might actually have been able to find availability at are on the list.

A smart person would be planning for what is very likey inevitabling coming. See post #1303 by @kenautencio.

 

[amycurl]

Wait, are y’all not talking about the screenshot someone posted about Shawnee? (Post #1303) If I read that correctly, it read like the note sent to FG owners, but nothing that pointed out which section or a specific HOA. Are they really going to close that ENTIRE resort?


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[Arimaas]

Wait, are y’all not talking about the screenshot someone posted about Shawnee? (Post #1303) If I read that correctly, it read like the note sent to FG owners, but nothing that pointed out which section or a specific HOA. Are they really going to close that ENTIRE resort?


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It’s the same exact statement Wyndham released mid July on their website. It doesn’t give anything pertinent or helpful.

 

[dioxide45]

It’s the same exact statement Wyndham released mid July on their website. It doesn’t give anything pertinent or helpful.

We also don't know what context the notice is place. Was it during the group portion of a sales pitch, just out in the property checkin/lobby? Somewhere else?

 

[chapjim]

I have always considered the discussions on TUG to be thoughtful and definitely more erudite than anything the facebook mob could possibly offer. I am not on facebook; is there any mention on facebook of what actually happened at a "closed" resort, such as what we TUG participants benefit from regarding the posts of what actually happened at the Pagosa Mountain Meadows resort 8 months ago? Not every affected resort will follow that model, as we TUG participants learned from the scheduled bankruptcy vote at Orlando International Resort, but it certainly rhymes and provides a look at what may transpire following whatever owners' vote at each resort to terminate the timeshare plan by whatever means.

Does anyone in this TUG thread think there is even a 5% (1 in 20) probability a Club Wyndham Plus reservation at any of the affected resorts will exist after 12/31/2025 (or certainly after 1/31/2026)? In other words, does anyone think the votes are not "in the bag?" If so, take your chances; if not, benefit from the knowledge posted in this TUG thread of what happened "last time" and book a back-up plan for the post-12/31/2025 Club Wyndham Plus program now (just in case the inevitable happens ), instead of waiting to the end of the year when there will be some degree of panic to book replacement vacations.

Just sayin'

Standing back a ways, it would make some sense for the drop-dead date to be 1/4/2026 -- the Sunday after 12/31. That should soften the blow for people who booked through the weekend.

 

[jp10558]

Does anyone in this TUG thread think there is even a 5% (1 in 20) probability a Club Wyndham Plus reservation at any of the affected resorts will exist after 12/31/2025 (or certainly after 1/31/2026)? In other words, does anyone think the votes are not "in the bag?" If so, take your chances; if not, benefit from the knowledge posted in this TUG thread of what happened "last time" and book a back-up plan for the post-12/31/2025 Club Wyndham Plus program now (just in case the inevitable happens ), instead of waiting to the end of the year when there will be some degree of panic to book replacement vacations.

I agree 100% - I don't think there's much chance, I would put it closer at under 1%. Wyndham can drop a resort from the system unilaterally from what I understand so . . . even if the votes don't go Wyndham's way, they can walk just as much as another owner, and by the time that got sorted out, if they had 40% of the deeds say, I still bet the resort goes bankrupt.

 

[Sandi Bo]

Standing back a ways, it would make some sense for the drop-dead date to be 1/4/2026 -- the Sunday after 12/31. That should soften the blow for people who booked through the weekend.

While that might seem logical... I would think a lot messier accounting and such if they stay open past 12/31/25 (if in fact they are closing or exiting or whatever). I would not be planning a NYE's celebration at any of the resorts in question (unless more information comes available) - not without a solid backup plan.

 

[RENTER]

I have always considered the discussions on TUG to be thoughtful and definitely more erudite than anything the facebook mob could possibly offer. I am not on facebook; is there any mention on facebook of what actually happened at a "closed" resort, such as what we TUG participants benefit from regarding the posts of what actually happened at the Pagosa Mountain Meadows resort 8 months ago? Not every affected resort will follow that model, as we TUG participants learned from the scheduled bankruptcy vote at Orlando International Resort, but it certainly rhymes and provides a look at what may transpire following whatever owners' vote at each resort to terminate the timeshare plan by whatever means.

Does anyone in this TUG thread think there is even a 5% (1 in 20) probability a Club Wyndham Plus reservation at any of the affected resorts will exist after 12/31/2025 (or certainly after 1/31/2026)? In other words, does anyone think the votes are not "in the bag?" If so, take your chances; if not, benefit from the knowledge posted in this TUG thread of what happened "last time" and book a back-up plan for the post-12/31/2025 Club Wyndham Plus program now (just in case the inevitable happens ), instead of waiting to the end of the year when there will be some degree of panic to book replacement vacations.

Just sayin'

I am not waiting for the formal announcement or 12/31. I am done with Wyndham even if they change their mind. Tired of their BS. Starting to shut things down. Blocked off my Airbnb calendar.

Will honor my promises to my Airbnb guests, family and friends. So, I will not cancel their reservations. When the last one checks out, that ends my time with and payments to Wyndham.

There are vultures out there like the person who posted this is no big deal to him because he paid a $1.00 each for 2 contracts and the owner paid the closing costs. They are just sitting and waiting to get the same sweetheart deal taking advantage of the difficulties of others.

Should at least be willing to pay or split the closing costs. Because they refuse, I see no difference between them and the vultures at Wyndham. So, I will not be giving my contracts away. I am going to let Wyndham foreclose on me.

 

[Floridaman76]

While that might seem logical... I would think a lot messier accounting and such if they stay open past 12/31/25 (if in fact they are closing or exiting or whatever). I would not be planning a NYE's celebration at any of the resorts in question (unless more information comes available) - not without a solid backup plan.

Absolutely... as painful as it might be to do, or difficult to do at this point, if it were me, I would absolutely be changing those plans now to not stay at any of the affected resorts through New Years eve/day. Wyndham is in all likelihood not going to "do the responsible/right/logical" thing and allow through the weekend. Unfortunately.

I got nervous when all this started because I have 12/29-1/4 booked at Sapphire Valley which I thought might have ended up on the list, but thankfully didn't.

There's a good chance they picked this drop dead date due to some tax reason too.

 

[Double U]

Standing back a ways, it would make some sense for the drop-dead date to be 1/4/2026 -- the Sunday after 12/31. That should soften the blow for people who booked through the weekend.

True, but the MF is only going to cover through 2025.

This may happen anyway, as this year has a week 53, which may buy a few extra days?!

 

[paxsarah]

A number of people commenting on those posts are encouraging everyone not to listen to what are in their opinion unfounded rumors.

I was called “dramatic” for recommending that owners with reservations at the likely resorts in 2026 consider making backup plans, and that I had done so myself.

 

[comicbookman]

I am not waiting for the formal announcement or 12/31. I am done with Wyndham even if they change their mind. Tired of their BS. Starting to shut things down. Blocked off my Airbnb calendar.

Will honor my promises to my Airbnb guests, family and friends. So, I will not cancel their reservations. When the last one checks out, that ends my time with and payments to Wyndham.

There are vultures out there like the person who posted this is no big deal to him because he paid a $1.00 each for 2 contracts and the owner paid the closing costs. They are just sitting and waiting to get the same sweetheart deal taking advantage of the difficulties of others.

Should at least be willing to pay or split the closing costs. Because they refuse, I see no difference between them and the vultures at Wyndham. So, I will not be giving my contracts away. I am going to let Wyndham foreclose on me.

so, instead you are foisting the cost off on all the other owners, So very big of you.

 

[Roger830]

On facebook today a member received a reply from Wyndham acknowledging the closing of Skyline Tower.

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[chapjim]

I am not waiting for the formal announcement or 12/31. I am done with Wyndham even if they change their mind. Tired of their BS. Starting to shut things down. Blocked off my Airbnb calendar.

Will honor my promises to my Airbnb guests, family and friends. So, I will not cancel their reservations. When the last one checks out, that ends my time with and payments to Wyndham.

There are vultures out there like the person who posted this is no big deal to him because he paid a $1.00 each for 2 contracts and the owner paid the closing costs. They are just sitting and waiting to get the same sweetheart deal taking advantage of the difficulties of others.

Should at least be willing to pay or split the closing costs. Because they refuse, I see no difference between them and the vultures at Wyndham. So, I will not be giving my contracts away. I am going to let Wyndham foreclose on me.

A vulture? Really? For selecting one of the two possible paths I'm a vulture? In what way am I taking advantage of the difficulties of others?

What a jerk!

If you're done with Wyndham, does that mean you're done with TUG? Please say it is so!

Edit: I didn't pay $1.00 each. I paid $1.00 total for two contracts.

 

[paxsarah]

On facebook today a member received a reply from Wyndham acknowledging the closing of Skyline Tower.

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Note that the full image on Facebook contains the signature indicating this came from Matt Taylor, general manager of Skyline Tower. So this seems like a valid confirmation but just to clarify where it originated "from Wyndham" - locally, not centrally.

 

[northovr]

Club Wyndham has the votes because all the foreclosure points and CWA conversions.
Its happening
Daniel

 

[northovr]

IIRC, the hotel was originally a Ramada. Ramada and Fairfield were under the same parent company's umbrella. When sales invited people to tours, they could put them up in the Ramada. It was a cozy relationship! It was effective for sales as they would ask, would you rather stay there or here!

The Ramada also housed the check in desk for PP. When the Ramada closed, they had to relocate the check in desk, but had no place to do it. And they had a hard time making it happen because Williamsburg has some really tough development restrictions. But the owners pony-ed up over a million dollars of their own money to build what you see today. It would be a shame to see their investment in that property be given away, IMO.

So it cost a million dollars to put in two double wide trailers where the tennis courts were wow

Daniel

 

[HitchHiker71]

Thank you! I have gone back and reviewed the spreadsheet and the posted Wyndham announcement. And just letting it all sit in my brain for a minute.

What exactly did the letter you received state? Don’t share any PII here on the public forum, but if you could share the exact verbiage of the letter and remove any PII (personal identifiable info), it would help us to provide better advisory.


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[HitchHiker71]

Standing back a ways, it would make some sense for the drop-dead date to be 1/4/2026 -- the Sunday after 12/31. That should soften the blow for people who booked through the weekend.

I’m not sure of the consequences and complications for extending the date beyond 12/31/2025, but my general understanding is that if the resorts stays in the system beyond that date, it complicates the exit as the issue of granting 2026 points comes into the picture, along with other financial issues for expenses if the resort closure extends into 2026, though I have no specifics in either case.


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[Twenty20]

What might happen to people that may still owe money on a loan for a developer purchase at one of these resorts?

Just a curious thought, I had.