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Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

Floridaman76 said:
the fact that you bought CWA shows you really made no effort to learn the system and are overpaying, so I guess lol on you.
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I purchased my first Club Wyndham UDI deed in 2009. I know more about Club Wyndham that you could ever comprehend.

I gave away my UDI deeds and bought CWA when the deeded UDI maintenance fees increased above CWA maintenance fees. I could still get the 13-month Advance Reservation Priority that I needed for 3 and 4 bedroom units at a lower cost using CWA. That is something I would not have with low maintenance fee ownerships at Bali Hai, Canterbury, etc. I understood EXACTLY what I was doing.
 
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Floridaman76 said:
And once again, you swoop in and make an idiotic comment which doesn't pertain to you.

@HitchHiker71 Are you sending these people "warning PM's" like you sent me?

Call a fair game, ref...
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The whole thread concerns me. That is why I am following it. I own at Glade among my several contracts. So Wrong again. I will repeat, does it ever get old?
 
Floridaman76 said:
Maybe you need to go back to school and re-learn reading comprhension or something.

The context I was speaking of was how the increase in CWA owners which were previously deeded is going to affected deeded owners ability to book certain resorts at the 10 month mark due to their newfound increwase in ARP...

You are either being daft, or purposely creating a logical fallacy to try to win your argument

Either way, you are wrong. And if you ARE an owner now, the fact that you bought CWA shows you really made no effort to learn the system and are overpaying, so I guess lol on you.
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He answered your 10 month concern and I would bet from past posts and discussions he knows the system far better than you. He doesn't make up fake stories to push his points
 
geist1223 said:
You guys are getting too sharp, mean, and direct. How about you both just stop. It is doubtful if you could agree on anything including that the sun rises in the west.
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On that much we are in violent agreement.

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All offending content has been moderated/removed. This post serves as the second warning to cease and desist on the disrespectful/judgmental posts. Three strikes and you will be out folks.
 
Arimaas said:
Right. I’m not taking the CWA swap from my 154k Fairfield Glade (which I still haven’t heard anything from by the way, despite that resort breaking the news). However, if I did take the swap, I now gave myself a 3 month head start on all the CWA inventory. I never stayed at FG, so those 154k points were only good to me ten months out.

Either way, I’m not certain that many of thr folks that take the swap really know the system or know what they are doing, so I’m not sure how much of an impact it will have. Another we will have to wait and see, I suppose.
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Since Arimaas was one of the only posters to attempt to keep this topic relevant to the actual thread, and in a productive and respectful manner, I'll reply in agreement. We simply don’t know how the impact of these actions will play out. No one knows for sure. Sure we can debate the finer points, but keep it respectful, or future posts from this point foward will be moderated to remove all offending content, or simply outright deleted. If you want to debate these points incessantly in a disrespectful, sarcastic and/or insulting manner, please use PMs/DMs.

For my part, we also don't know what the proportion of inventory is at these older Fairfield resorts that consists of actual pure fixed weeks. I suspect there are more than many of us believe. For these folks, I also suspect that many of them will simply exit the system as a result of these actions. The relative minority that may take a CWA conversion, likely won't significantly impact availability either way. It's also worth noting that that average points owner makes reservations 5-6 months out. This is data kept by Wyndham and it's published annually in the owner review meetings. So while TUGGERs may make a big deal about 10 vs 13 month reservations, again this serves as an example of TUGGERS being the exception not the rule when it comes to both timeshare knowledge and timeshare usage, which reinforcees Arimaas's point made above. The bottom line is, no one knows what the impact will be.
 
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comicbookman said:
Now who has to have the last word? He refuted your examples and is fully conversant in the Wyndham system. [CONTENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR] The "thousands of owners" is a very tiny subset of the over all membership. Sales has been selling the crap out of CWA for years and it really hasn't had an impact. The only thing that has had a demonstratable impact is the mega renters. If Renter is to be believed (which is a stretch, I admit) A cabal of over 100 owners owning a ton of points has been making a huge profit off of these resorts. They are not taking the swap. So your subset is probably much smaller than you think.
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If that were true... the cabal of over 100 owners story... why would vacancy rates be so low? That doesn't settle right for me. Someone isn't being above board (rentals can't be going gangbusters at them and also have a low vacancy rate). At least I'm not buying it.
 
Sandy VDH said:
I own at Glade and still no communication from Wyndham.
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Same here. But, isn’t the communication supposed to come from the HOA, not from Wyndham? I think @HitchHiker71 has written that a few times in this thread, if I am not mistaken.
 
HitchHiker71 said:
All offending content has been moderated/removed. This post serves as the second warning to cease and desist on the disrespectful/judgmental posts. Three strikes and you will be out folks.
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Three strikes on their third forum profile (that I'm aware of). This guy's got a cat's nine lives! 😹
 
Sandi Bo said:
If that were true... the cabal of over 100 owners story... why would vacancy rates be so low? That doesn't settle right for me. Someone isn't being above board (rentals can't be going gangbusters at them and also have a low vacancy rate). At least I'm not buying it.
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Can you believe Wyndham?
I know at my non whydham resort, I cannot get a date within 45 days off season but when the resort reports to the sanitary district they get pro rated rates because they claim high vacancy. I just don’t believe those figures.
 
makersforme said:
With AirBNB and VRBO we can still vacation in a condo or home probably at a higher cost, but any location we so choose.
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I have to say, my first time in a VRBO just ended, and we did it because of location, but man - I think it's the first stay to tie with Villa Roma. Video will follow in a couple weeks when I can cut it together and upload. I gotta figure out how to review because on a TUG scale it's 4.0/10. Not exactly endearing me to VRBO / AirB&B I gotta say.
 
Rolltydr said:
Same here. But, isn’t the communication supposed to come from the HOA, not from Wyndham? I think @HitchHiker71 has written that a few times in this thread, if I am not mistaken.
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Correct - the initial comms for member bankruptcy votes and ceasing 2026 resort operations votes will come from the HOAs.


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rapmarks said:
Can you believe Wyndham?
I know at my non whydham resort, I cannot get a date within 45 days off season but when the resort reports to the sanitary district they get pro rated rates because they claim high vacancy. I just don’t believe those figures.
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"Those figures" are supplied by the resort HOAs, not Wyndham. As part of the election materials, there is likely a legal requirement that they be correct.
 
CO skier said:
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"Those figures" are supplied by the resort HOAs, not Wyndham. As part of the election materials, there is likely a legal requirement that they be correct.
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Additionally, the form letters in use were created by K&L Gates - who is representing all of the HOAs in scope, and almost assuredly were reviewed by that law firm before dissemination. Law firms of that stature have pretty stout legal review processes and staff, and any statistics shared, have likely been validated twice over to ensure accuracy. These large law firms seldom make mistakes, whether there's a legal requirement or not. It's a matter of reputational professionalism for the Amlaw ranked firms (K&L Gates is ranked Amlaw 44).
 
HitchHiker71 said:
Since Arimaas was one of the only posters to attempt to keep this topic relevant to the actual thread, and in a productive and respectful manner, I'll reply in agreement. We simply don’t know how the impact of these actions will play out. No one knows for sure. Sure we can debate the finer points, but keep it respectful, or future posts from this point foward will be moderated to remove all offending content, or simply outright deleted. If you want to debate these points incessantly in a disrespectful, sarcastic and/or insulting manner, please use PMs/DMs.

For my part, we also don't know what the proportion of inventory is at these older Fairfield resorts that consists of actual pure fixed weeks. I suspect there are more than many of us believe. For these folks, I also suspect that many of them will simply exit the system as a result of these actions. The relative minority that may take a CWA conversion, likely won't significantly impact availability either way. It's also worth noting that that average points owner makes reservations 5-6 months out. This is data kept by Wyndham and it's published annually in the owner review meetings. So while TUGGERs may make a big deal about 10 vs 13 month reservations, again this serves as an example of TUGGERS being the exception not the rule when it comes to both timeshare knowledge and timeshare usage, which reinforcees Arimaas's point made above. The bottom line is, no one knows what the impact will be.
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I have converted week points at the Glade. I will not be taking the CWA offer. So there's one data point for you.
 
Twenty20 said:
I have converted week points at the Glade. I will not be taking the CWA offer. So there's one data point for you.
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Two, as I will also not be taking the CWA offer.
 
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