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I am not an attorney, but I know there is a lot more to it than that. Disclosure, to name only one.It's all about a willing buyer and a willing seller.
I am not an attorney, but I know there is a lot more to it than that. Disclosure, to name only one.It's all about a willing buyer and a willing seller.
It's all about a willing buyer and a willing seller. You are neither. You are a bystander with no standing to criticize what others do or did.
You are also really annoying.
The "con" was trying to pass-off the stripped contracts as a "Smoking deal" which is the criterion for a TUG Bargain Deal.
Yes, and that is why it was recognized as a "con" by TUG (not just me) (and prohibited in the TUG Bargain Basement).That’s…an interesting definition of con. He wasn’t hiding anything, he wasn’t lying about anything, he worked to make sure people understood the severe limitations of what he was offering. But it was posted in the wrong location, and so it’s a “con.”
The past, in hindsight, is embarrassing for certain ex-owners.only on TUG could something like this get dug up from 5 years ago,
Can you point me to the post in question where a representative of TUG (was it TUGBrian or a mod?) referred to it as a “con”? Unfortunately, “con” is too short a term to be searchable on the forum so I can’t find it.Yes, and that is why it was recognized as a "con" by TUG (not just me) (and prohibited in the TUG Bargain Basement).
What? You think I am in charge of the TUG Bargain Basement?
Good advice, now and in the past.TUG rules got changed, big deal, stuff changes all the time, get over it and move on.
C'mon. Do you really believe the [poster] did not know what he was doing at the time in 2016?Can you point me to the post in question where a representative of TUG (was it TUGBrian or a mod?) referred to it as a “con”?
Yes a glitch was not very beneficial to my travel needs as it caused a negative balance. You could also consider most Wyndham updates to their website contain some type of glitch that may hinder a owner from using the website.. A loophole on the other hand helped VIP owners game the system by using millions of resale points with VIP discounts and free upgrades. What made this loophole worse were the owners that used the reservations as rentals for personal financial gain. The rentals limited needed inventory for owners to book for personal use.Is there a difference between a loophole and a glitch? Asking for a friend.
Not truly being able to know what would happen if I used Ovations (when I was looking at some things it was before Certified Exit) is what kept me from using the program. It's beyond frustrating that Wyndham cannot provide details so people can make informed decisions. I've said it before, as with all things Wyndham, do your research, and then do what you think is going to work for you, and see how it ends up. Because with Wyndham you just never know for sure.I know several people who are using Certified Exit. They were kind enough to share information with me to help me come to a decision about what I want to do.
Some things in the terms and conditions under Ovations are the same for Certified Exit but not all.
One thing I noticed right away are the timeframes. What was then 8-10 weeks and 6-8 weeks for the two steps of the process under Ovations is currently 9-12 weeks and 8-10 weeks with Certified Exit. I'd guess that's due to the increased work load this change is bringing.
This is really frustrating to me. I don't understand why we can't say the maintenance is paid for 2021. Why can't the new owner take over Jan 2022 with Jan 2022 points forward. Instead, uncertainty abounds, as with all things Wyndham.You would think if the current owner pre paid all of the current years MF's they could transfer the contract with 0 points or if the transfer is initiated in the last 3-4 months of the use year since the new owner would not have time to use any points once transferred. This would be a common sense approach but Developers aren't always guilty of having common sense.
I am not an attorney, but I know there is a lot more to it than that. Disclosure, to name only one.
I'm of the opinion that not much will change in the long run with regards to availability.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Ron was a rockstar when it came to working Wyndham. I too learned a lot and I also found his writings entertaining. Wyndham should have hired him to picked his brain. Wyndham would be a lot better off now if they did, in my opinion.only on TUG could something like this get dug up from 5 years ago, to again beat up the dead horse. Sorry for that analogy Ron.
I learned a lot from Ron about W, enough to know I wanted nothing to do with that system. I have a lot of respect for how he was willing to share his knowledge here.
For people that followed him he made it perfectly clear what he was doing getting rid of stripped contracts. TUG rules got changed, big deal, stuff changes all the time, get over it and move on.
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Wyndham should have hired him to picked his brain.
That is just one example. I won't go on with the many others that I could. Wyndham, over and over, cannot specifically put forth defined, enforceable rules. It's deliberate. It's their con. They are not good people. The new "rules" are no exception. "Rules" in quotes, because we still don't know what they are.
I am not a victim. I am getting out as gracefully as Wyndham will allow me to get out. It's up to them. This is not going to change my life in any way. Not one iota. It will change our daughter's life. I love her more than any Wyndham profits.@HitchHiker71 very factual representation.
People running businesses out of their timeshares created this mess. They are now playing the victim game. Which in my opinion is completely pathetic.
And are hiding behind half truths or outright lies to justify their prior business practices. Like I said in a previous post, it's very telling now that people are going through their ownership portfolio and fining out that they have millions of points at pretty awful MF... and when they were able to "turn and burn" reservations to cover those expenses it didn't matter. But now that the faucet is about to be forcibly shut off, oh baby!
It's 2am, the music stopped, the lights are coming on...
I guess back in the day, TUG was more welcoming of people who make a game out of cheating the system. I'm sure a lot of you learned some really questionable practices from people back in the day too. Under the guise of "well, they aren't stopping us"... please.
Right! I don't understand that at all. Wyndham may change this for those of us who want out. After all, it's going to be less complaining from Wyndham owners who cannot book whatever they want, whenever they want because of all of the "mega renters" who are stealing their vacations.This is really frustrating to me. I don't understand why we can't say the maintenance is paid for 2021. Why can't the new owner take over Jan 2022 with Jan 2022 points forward. Instead, uncertainty abounds, as with all things Wyndham.