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Thank you! I have been asking, some do not, it appears some do. HGVC still has them listed as affiliated resorts. Do you know how I could verify that I will be able to join after resale?

They are affiliated because many still have deeds that are enrolled. If they book using the club season, that week gets put into the system. The ability to enroll doesn’t transfer with the sale.

I would take this question to the HGVC forum, especially if you are thinking of purchasing HGVC.
 

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Some cold water... issues to consider
Day use...it is great if you live nearby, the easier to get to the better. Dont romanticize it. If it is 5 hours a way, that is 10 hours of driving to use it for the day! My club allows for day use; You get to change your clothes in a small bathroom that has no shower. You can use the pool and its out door cold water shower to rinse off by the pool and has easy beach access, but it is 17 hrs away. Those places become the club you are maintaining for those that live nearby. Which of those situations do you want to be in.
"We would like to pass it on to our daughters as well." That is something to consider later...much later...if at all. Suppose when they are adults and may not be interested, you have then saddled them with something they do not want.
Buying outside the state you reside in...can be an estate and probate issue. The other state may appoint an executor who will take fees and make decisions....
What is your exit strategy if at some point in the future it no longer fits your lifestyle. There are other threads on that and a few are referenced in this recent one:
https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/what-happens-if-you-just-stop-paying-maintenance-fees.299843/
 

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Some cold water... issues to consider
Day use...it is great if you live nearby, the easier to get to the better. Dont romanticize it. If it is 5 hours a way, that is 10 hours of driving to use it for the day! My club allows for day use; You get to change your clothes in a small bathroom that has no shower. You can use the pool and its out door cold water shower to rinse off by the pool and has easy beach access, but it is 17 hrs away. Those places become the club you are maintaining for those that live nearby. Which of those situations do you want to be in.
"We would like to pass it on to our daughters as well." That is something to consider later...much later...if at all. Suppose when they are adults and may not be interested, you have then saddled them with something they do not want.
Buying outside the state you reside in...can be an estate and probate issue. The other state may appoint an executor who will take fees and make decisions....
What is your exit strategy if at some point in the future it no longer fits your lifestyle. There are other threads on that and a few are referenced in this recent one:
https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/what-happens-if-you-just-stop-paying-maintenance-fees.299843/
Thank you! Definitely things to consider, I am 5 minutes from Welk Escondido, and 30-40 minutes from Carlsbad. Welk maintenance fees are high, making it not as worth while to commit to, but if the exchange is better than a week, it may be worth it. If the Grand Pacific Resorts are not able to be a part of HGVC I think those 2 options are out, leaving me Marbrisa as a choice, which is selling high IMO. We expect to get 20-30 years of use ourselves. I need to read up about disinheriting if they end up not wanting them, or our family is huge, there will likely be a niece/nephew who would use it.

I have seen many free options with fairly low maintenance fees, I just worry about committing...
 

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I would recommend that you stay at any resort that you are interested in first. Renting will prevent mistakes. You are doing well to know WHERE you want to own. I wanted to own in the desert so I went and looked at many different timeshares in the area and then rented a 1 BR at Marriott Shadow Ridge before buying on the second hand market. I am very happy with my purchase and have had many vacations at my home resort with my family. There is no rush...take your time!
 

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Totally agree with D.T. D.T. take your time. I think tons of inventory will show up from now to end of year as folks don’t want to pay 2021 fees.
 

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What about Vistana Desert Willows or Mission Hills. I know, MF ARE HIGH.
 

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Welk is extremely luxurious, Alas that is usually reflected in the price. love the Northstar property.

would never buy HGV on the strip. Stayed there years ago when it was new, very low class property and not walking distance to the casinos we like. Hilton is the worst of the major timeshare names imo.

Best advice is to buy at a place you can use every year and then look at trades within the program. RCI can be difficult to navigate and there is mich less chance of getting prime weeks at your dream locations like Maui.
 

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Welk is extremely luxurious, Alas that is usually reflected in the price. love the Northstar property.

would never buy HGV on the strip. Stayed there years ago when it was new, very low class property and not walking distance to the casinos we like. Hilton is the worst of the major timeshare names imo.

Best advice is to buy at a place you can use every year and then look at trades within the program. RCI can be difficult to navigate and there is mich less chance of getting prime weeks at your dream locations like Maui.
Good to know, thank you!
 

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What about Vistana Desert Willows or Mission Hills. I know, MF ARE HIGH.
Palm desert is something to consider, I don’t know that I would use it enough to be worth my while, unless the trade value or affiliated resorts is worth it.
 

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would never buy HGV on the strip. Stayed there years ago when it was new, very low class property and not walking distance to the casinos we like. Hilton is the worst of the major timeshare names imo.
Ever heard of Westgate? I think Hilton is way ahead of them.

The HGVC Boulevard (aka on the strip) location isn't my favourite HGVC resort (I like Elara if I am in Vegas), but there are many out there that are worse. We bought there because it has one of the best ratios of maintenance fees to points. Given the flexibility of the HGVC system, this works for us as we can easily book into other locations at a low cost at the 9-month mark.
 

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Ever heard of Westgate? I think Hilton is way ahead of them.

The HGVC Boulevard (aka on the strip) location isn't my favourite HGVC resort (I like Elara if I am in Vegas), but there are many out there that are worse. We bought there because it has one of the best ratios of maintenance fees to points. Given the flexibility of the HGVC system, this works for us as we can easily book into other locations at a low cost at the 9-month mark.
I really liked my sis-in-laws experience, although she owns Grand Pacific Palisades, HGVC is included with her annual MF. She has all Grand Pacific Resorts & HGVC resorts that she can utilize at no extra cost. RCI & II are also included. She was able to easily book at Tahiti Village in Vegas, I think as an RCI exchange, she paid $139 exchange fee. It was all done through the HGVC phone number. And she isn't very savvy with using her timeshare, in just a little looking on her owner page, we would totally use the last call trips that are available.

HGVC has 158 resorts, in 16 locations. I am still open to other options, or suggestions! I'm not rushing into anything
 
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We expect to get 20-30 years of use ourselves. I need to read up about disinheriting if they end up not wanting them, or our family is huge, there will likely be a niece/nephew who would use it.

I have seen many free options with fairly low maintenance fees, I just worry about committing...
From your description of expecting to get 20-30 years of use of a timeshare yourselves and then wondering what if your children didn't want to inherit it, I surmise that you are young with perhaps young children. My advice is don't even take inheriting into consideration. I doubt many people today would want to inherit a 20-30 year old timeshare right now and your own travel needs could very well change long before 20-30 years.

As others have suggested, try renting some timeshares first before committing to ever-increasing maintenance fees. Also, if you think you'd want to exchange more often than using your own timeshare, you need to consider the cost of exchanging with RCI or II. Exchange fees can be several hundred dollars and keep increasing. Plus, you aren't guaranteed of getting the time and place you want with exchanging. You're limited to whatever weeks and units other owners have deposited or whatever timeshare developers' weeks have been deposited.

It has been my experience that the best use of a timeshare is using it yourself and picking a place that you'd happily go back to every year. It's also a good idea to pick one you can easily get to, either driving or flying economically. Otherwise, renting a timeshare can be the better because you can get larger accommodations with a kitchen (especially nice with kids) compared to hotel rooms, and you can get units at the time and place you want without being committed to ever-increasing maintenance fees.
 

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From your description of expecting to get 20-30 years of use of a timeshare yourselves and then wondering what if your children didn't want to inherit it, I surmise that you are young with perhaps young children. My advice is don't even take inheriting into consideration. I doubt many people today would want to inherit a 20-30 year old timeshare right now and your own travel needs could very well change long before 20-30 years.

As others have suggested, try renting some timeshares first before committing to ever-increasing maintenance fees. Also, if you think you'd want to exchange more often than using your own timeshare, you need to consider the cost of exchanging with RCI or II. Exchange fees can be several hundred dollars and keep increasing. Plus, you aren't guaranteed of getting the time and place you want with exchanging. You're limited to whatever weeks and units other owners have deposited or whatever timeshare developers' weeks have been deposited.

It has been my experience that the best use of a timeshare is using it yourself and picking a place that you'd happily go back to every year. It's also a good idea to pick one you can easily get to, either driving or flying economically. Otherwise, renting a timeshare can be the better because you can get larger accommodations with a kitchen (especially nice with kids) compared to hotel rooms, and you can get units at the time and place you want without being committed to ever-increasing maintenance fees.
Thank you for the advice! I do think we should try to rent in the home unit we intend to buy from, so we know before we commit how it will be. I have rented and stayed in many timeshares, which is why I want to buy one, I am hooked on staying in 2 bedroom condo style with kitchen, we often vacation with family & friends. Renting does get pricey depending when and where you are trying to rent, I am a super planner so making the plans 12-15 months in advance, I could do. We could also make use of the last call trips. We are both over that hill, and looking forward to that downward slide, 10-14 years until, economy willing, we can retire. Daughters are 21 & 23, after reading up, I will not put their names on anything, so they can easily deny usage if we die before I plan on it And when we get older and less mobile, I can start reaching out to family members to transfer as a gift or give it away some other way. I can’t see myself going to the same resort every year, unless it were Vegas, but reading up, it seems there are so many available, finding a place in Vegas will never be hard. I like the idea of a home unit close to my house for the day use. I do think finding a program with multiple locations to choose from without RCI or II may be the best choice for us. We bought a sampler 15k for 2 years for $2500 from Diamond resorts, which we can use at Diamond resorts. (this is the point we were informed by friends of timeshare forums and buying resale) He said we could get 2-3 weeks with those points, but it looks like we are going to get 11 nights out of it, which we would have paid at least that much for a hotel anyway. Had I been a bit smarter about it, we may have been able to get more in other places. That is how I feel about the MF, if I would pay that much for a hotel, it is definitely of value.
 

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I haven't seen this part addressed yet: you said you'd like to leave this timeshare to your daughters when you pass away.
Please do not think about a timeshare as an asset like that. Timeshares should be considered more like gym memberships. They can provide great value to those who value them. But they are a huge financial burden to people who don't value them.

Also, leaving one timeshare to multiple children is complicated. I just recommend against thinking this way.

A lot of us have deliberately left our timeshares OUT of our trust in order that our children are not burdened with them if they don't want to be. This way the heirs can choose to inherit the timeshares or not.
 

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CamiB, you may want to look through the Resort Directories of Interval International, RCI, etc. I think that you can access them w/o a password or membership.

Welk is, in my opinion, a decent trader and is well maintained. But they only have a half dozen or so resorts of their own. So you would be more dependent on exchanging. Their "drive to" locations include Escondido, Cathedral City (converted 1 BR apartments) and Northstar (Very nice but I'm not impressed with how they have been maintained and cleaned).

I own a number of Marriotts and I enjoy going to the several "drive to" locations including Newport Coast, Palm Desert (4 different resorts), Phoenix, Tahoe, Las Vegas (Grand Chateau), St. George, Maui, Kauai, Big Island, etc. Earlier this year I had to cancel St. Thomas USVI because of Covid. But the reason for me bringing up Marriott is (1) no one else did and (2) if you own a Marriott you get a 22 or 24 Day "Preference period" in Interval. For high demand places like Hawaii, that makes a whole lot of difference. I have exchanged into Newport Coast 10 years out of the past 12. Many (not Marriott owners) find it a challenging exchange. Also, because I own multiple units in the same season, I can reserve at the 13 month point, which can be helpful.

I own Desert Springs 1, Desert Springs 2 and Shadow Ridge Enclaves Deluxe. All trade well but the SR Enclaves Deluxe "sees" things that the others do not. Also, it "splits" into two 1-BR units rather than a 1 BR and efficiency. But they are a bit rare and seldom show up for sale. On ebay, tug2 and redweek, there are a lot of timeshares that are priced very low. This is a good time to buy.
 

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I haven't seen this part addressed yet: you said you'd like to leave this timeshare to your daughters when you pass away.
Please do not think about a timeshare as an asset like that. Timeshares should be considered more like gym memberships. They can provide great value to those who value them. But they are a huge financial burden to people who don't value them.

Also, leaving one timeshare to multiple children is complicated. I just recommend against thinking this way.

A lot of us have deliberately left our timeshares OUT of our trust in order that our children are not burdened with them if they don't want to be. This way the heirs can choose to inherit the timeshares or not.
I have changed my thought process after reading responses and other forums. Thank you!
 

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CamiB, you may want to look through the Resort Directories of Interval International, RCI, etc. I think that you can access them w/o a password or membership.

Welk is, in my opinion, a decent trader and is well maintained. But they only have a half dozen or so resorts of their own. So you would be more dependent on exchanging. Their "drive to" locations include Escondido, Cathedral City (converted 1 BR apartments) and Northstar (Very nice but I'm not impressed with how they have been maintained and cleaned).

I own a number of Marriotts and I enjoy going to the several "drive to" locations including Newport Coast, Palm Desert (4 different resorts), Phoenix, Tahoe, Las Vegas (Grand Chateau), St. George, Maui, Kauai, Big Island, etc. Earlier this year I had to cancel St. Thomas USVI because of Covid. But the reason for me bringing up Marriott is (1) no one else did and (2) if you own a Marriott you get a 22 or 24 Day "Preference period" in Interval. For high demand places like Hawaii, that makes a whole lot of difference. I have exchanged into Newport Coast 10 years out of the past 12. Many (not Marriott owners) find it a challenging exchange. Also, because I own multiple units in the same season, I can reserve at the 13 month point, which can be helpful.

I own Desert Springs 1, Desert Springs 2 and Shadow Ridge Enclaves Deluxe. All trade well but the SR Enclaves Deluxe "sees" things that the others do not. Also, it "splits" into two 1-BR units rather than a 1 BR and efficiency. But they are a bit rare and seldom show up for sale. On ebay, tug2 and redweek, there are a lot of timeshares that are priced very low. This is a good time to buy.
Thank you! I was just trying to figure out the Marriott system. Are there 2 different programs? I saw club fees & MF that appeared different...
 

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Thank you! I was just trying to figure out the Marriott system. Are there 2 different programs? I saw club fees & MF that appeared different...
About 10 years ago Marriott switched from selling deeded weeks to selling points. Points are good if you want to stay somewhere for a few days rather than a full week. I own deeded weeks and just pay a maintenance fee plus property taxes. I pay my own membership in Interval Intl. If I bought Marriott points I would pay a MF on the points plus an annual club fee. But for the club fee, I get a membership in Interval, get free exchanges and no-charge re-booking or cancellations. If you bought a deeded platinum week resale you'd spend perhaps $500 to $3000 or so depending on the location. If you bought points from Marriott equivalent to that resale week you'd spend $10-14 a point times the number of points. Perhaps 2000 to 4000 (that is, it could be as high as 4000 x $14 = $56,000). So that could be really pricey. But you can buy points resale for a cost of under $5 a point currently ($1.50 to $2 to the reseller and $3 a point to Marriott to enroll them). But for me the biggest bang for the buck is deeded resale weeks.

Some of the Marriotts allow you to "split" your 2 BR unit one of two different ways: (1) split it into a 1 BR and an efficiency - - both for 7 nights or (2) split the 2 BR week into a 3-night and a 4-night segment. I know that Palm Desert does that but I don't know about the other driveable locations.

I live in North county San Diego too. I really enjoy going out to Palm Desert a couple of times a year plus annually (more or less) also go to Canyon Villas (Phoenix), Timberlodge (Tahoe) and Newport Coast, Ca. If you wanted to try out a drive-to Marriott, I know that Marriott sells 3 and 4 night encore packages at great prices.
 
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About 10 years ago Marriott switched from selling deeded weeks to selling points. Points are good if you want to stay somewhere for a few days rather than a full week. I own deeded weeks and just pay a maintenance fee plus property taxes. I pay my own membership in Interval Intl. If I bought Marriott points I would pay a MF on the points plus an annual club fee. But for the club fee, I get a membership in Interval, get free exchanges and no-charge re-booking or cancellations. If you bought a deeded platinum week resale you'd spend perhaps $500 to $3000 or so depending on the location. If you bought points from Marriott equivalent to that resale week you'd spend $10-14 a point times the number of points. Perhaps 2000 to 4000. So that could be really pricey. But you can buy points resale for a cost of under $5 a point currently ($1.50 to $2 to the reseller and $3 a point to Marriott to enroll them). But for me the biggest bang for the buck is deeded resale weeks.

Some of the Marriotts allow you to "split" your 2 BR unit one of two different ways: (1) split it into a 1 BR and an efficiency - - both for 7 nights or (2) split the 2 BR week into a 3-night and a 4-night segment. I know that Palm Desert does that but I don't know about the other driveable locations.

I live in North county San Diego too. I really enjoy going out to Palm Desert a couple of times a year plus annually (more or less) also go to Canyon Villas (Phoenix), Timberlodge (Tahoe) and Newport Coast, Ca. If you wanted to try out a drive-to Marriott, I know that Marriott sells 3 and 4 night encore packages at great prices.
Great info, thank you!
 
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