What do I need to know when renting from a Wyndham owner

[DeniseM]

It's possible to get a reservation/confirmation months in advance, but it will cost you more, because the owner has to use more points.

At 60 days out, the reservations take fewer points, thus cost less, however, it may not be available at 60 days out.

 

[WinniWoman]

I bet mpumilia is so sorry she asked!

I have a major headache

 

[WinniWoman]

It's possible to get a reservation/confirmation months in advance, but it will cost you more, because the owner has to use more points.

At 60 days out, the reservations take fewer points, thus cost less, however, it may not be available at 60 days out.

Knowing this makes me nuts now. Is this just a Wyndham thing or any points system?

 

[DeniseM]

Knowing this makes me nuts now. Is this just a Wyndham thing or any points system?

Every point system is different.

But it's impossible for your average renter to understand the nuances of every resort system, so I think it's more important to trust the person who you are renting from.

How to verify that a rental is Legit: http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109479

 

[antjmar]

Well- I did think of that. I have winter benefits as an owner and I also can use the Sycamores facilities since I won there, so I do only need the accommodations. We don't ski anyway and usually only do fee based activities. I called Smuggs and the cost they quoted was so outrageous I can't even keep a straight face when I think of it.:rofl:

I dont know what your ad says but a 2 br varies from 154K to 400K per week.
Thats going from a "basic" 2 br to a presidential. I bet you want a 2br deluxe (like tamaraks?)
However, if your check in dates dont coincide with the check in dates for those type of units its very unlikely you will get what you want. Thats a prime week so you cant just pick any check in day and get that that type of unit. since you own there I think you understand what I am trying to explain.
I'll say it again if they dont own there Christmas week will be a challenge not impossible but they will go quickly...

Yes smuggs prices are outrageous but they include lift tickets daily and the smuggs pass.


Ill be up there during Presidents week!

 

[WinniWoman]

I dont know what your ad says but a 2 br varies from 154K to 400K per week.
Thats going from a "basic" 2 br to a presidential. I bet you want a 2br deluxe (like tamaraks?)
However, if your check in dates dont coincide with the check in dates for those type of units its very unlikely you will get what you want. Thats a prime week so you cant just pick any check in day and get that that type of unit. since you own there I think you understand what I am trying to explain.
I'll say it again if they dont own there Christmas week will be a challenge not impossible but they will go quickly...

Yes smuggs prices are outrageous but they include lift tickets daily and the smuggs pass.


Ill be up there during Presidents week!

Thanks for the input. My ad says indicates the buildings I would consider. I know from nothing about points.According to the other Wyndham person that contacted me, Tamaracks are more points than Sycamores or Aspens. I do want either Sycamores, Aspens or Willows, since that is what I own. I do understand what you mean about the check-in dates, but isn't the point of owning points that you have flexibility for short stays, etc? Neither of these people who contacted me own at Smuggs.

I don't think you understand what I said- I already have lift tickets as I own winter benefits as well as summer benefits. (We don't ski anyway)The quote I got was for accommodations only- outrageous, outrageous! I could take a plane trip, pay airfare for 3 and stay a week (7 nights) somewhere else for less than they were asking just for the unit for 4 nights!!!

Enjoy your week up there.

I think I am probably better off renting from a SMUGGS weeks owner or an SMUGGS RCI points owner, unless I can get confirmation in my name right away and a rental agreement guaranteeing my unit and dates.. Or I will just go back to the New Hampshire resort we have stayed at the past two years which we rented from someone else.. I don't like hassles- I am for simplicity.

 

[antjmar]

My ad says indicates the buildings I would consider. I know from nothing about points.According to the other Wyndham person that contacted me, Tamaracks more points than Sycamores or Aspens. I do want either Sycamores, Aspens or Willows, since that is what I own. I do understand what you mean about the check-in dates, but isn't the point of owning points that you have flexibility for short stays, etc? Neither of these people who contacted me own at Smuggs.

I don't think you understand what I said- I already have lift tickets as I own winter benefits as well as summer benefits. The quote I got was for accommodations only- outrageous, outrageous! I could take a plane trip, pay airfare for 3 and stay a week somewhere else for less than they were asking just for the unit!!!

I will speak of my experience. I am checking into a tamarack on a Friday which is the normal check in date for those units. Since its a prime week I must stay 3, 4 or 7 nights. However if I try to change my reservation it will allow a 3 or 4 night stay with a Friday check in but it will not show any availability for a Saturday check in.
I realize you don't need the ski lift tickets I did not think you could just book lodging. The smuggs website shows 3 different options but they all include lift tickets. However, I never called the 800 number to inquire about just lodging.

 

[WinniWoman]

About 2 years ago we rented a 1 bedroom unit in Sycamores from a weeks owner for 7 nights for what the Wyndham owner quoted me for 4 nights for the 2 bedroom. I'm ok with the quote, but I do not know if the quote is based on the cancel/rebook thing or what, but you can be sure I will ask!

 

[WinniWoman]

I will speak of my experience. I am checking into a tamarack on a Friday which is the normal check in date for those units. Since its a prime week I must stay 3, 4 or 7 nights. However if I try to change my reservation it will allow a 3 or 4 night stay with a Friday check in but it will not show any availability for a Saturday check in.
I realize you don't need the ski lift tickets I did not think you could just book lodging. The smuggs website shows 3 different options but they all include lift tickets. However, I never called the 800 number to inquire about just lodging.

But - are you saying that the Wyndham owner would not be able to get me a Wednesday check-in when she calls to reserve the FIRST TIME (and hopefully is not going to cancel/rebook or any of that stuff) since Sycamore/Aspens is normally a Sunday check-in?

 

[antjmar]

I know from nothing about points.According to the other Wyndham person that contacted me, Tamaracks are more points than Sycamores or Aspens.\.

But - are you saying that the Wyndham owner would not be able to get me a Wednesday check-in when she calls to reserve the FIRST TIME (and hopefully is not going to cancel/rebook or any of that stuff) since Sycamore/Aspens is normally a Sunday check-in?

The chart says all these have the same point value...


If you are checking OUT on a Sunday that WILL work. Since those units are Sunday check in or out. So 4 nights will work with a Wednesday check in.

However, keep in mind no one has had the opportunity to book these yet (unless they own there). If all the available units are reserved 10 months out for that check in on Sun Dec 20th for 7 nights there wont be any units available for 4 nights checking on the 23rd.

If you really want this type of unit they should book a full week for a 20th check in and then a few day later cancel it and only take the 4 day Wednesday check in reservation.

Good luck!

 

[tschwa2]

On the Marriott forum we have a name for it - "The Puck Trick" - because TUGger PuckmanFL was the first to see it in the docs when the Destination Club was introduced. The problem as I see it isn't that the timeshare owners know it exists - it's that the renters may not.

But a large Marriott points owner might own or have access to 25,000 DC points. He would have to have closer to 300,000 DC points to be in the same league (many Mega Wyndham owners have 5-10 annual million points). So he has a lot more points to play with than then most who could use the Puck trick. Wyndham has points pooling that works for 3 years so on a particular year a Wyndham mega point person might have 15-30 million points available for back up reservations.

Wyndham points can generally be cancelled as late as 14 days prior without penalty. So cancelling excess reservations at 60 days isn't going to cause the problems. With Marriott they become restricted much further out.

 

[ronparise]

But - are you saying that the Wyndham owner would not be able to get me a Wednesday check-in when she calls to reserve the FIRST TIME (and hopefully is not going to cancel/rebook or any of that stuff) since Sycamore/Aspens is normally a Sunday check-in?

In Prime time a Full week reservation at Sycamore/Aspens requires a Sunday check in. A 3 or 4 night reservation requires a Sunday check in or check out

So if you want a Wednesday check in it has to be 4 nights (checking out on Sunday). and if this is done right at the 10 month mark, and you want a full week, the owner will have to call back in 4 days to make a 3 night reservation (checking in on Sunday) since this is two reservation there will be two guest confirms as well ($99x 2)

I think I advised early on in this thread, in answer to the ops question: What do I need to know when renting from a Wyndham owner?...You need to know the points chart. It online for everyone to see<<<Thats where you find the check in and check out rules

 

[tschwa2]

mpumilia,
Since Smuggs was originally sold as weeks and the points were overlaid, there still is a week system underneath. That's why there are restrictions about checking in and checking out.

Also points systems often aren't the cheapest way to get prime weeks. In the weeks system everyone pays the same MF's. So the prime week owner may be paying 1/3 of the MF's that the point owner has to use to get the week. Conversely if you are renting an off peak week from a weeks owner, if he rents at just the MF's, you might find a points owner that can rent it out for half that amount and still make a profit.

 

[WinniWoman]

mpumilia,
Since Smuggs was originally sold as weeks and the points were overlaid, there still is a week system underneath. That's why there are restrictions about checking in and checking out.

Also points systems often aren't the cheapest way to get prime weeks. In the weeks system everyone pays the same MF's. So the prime week owner may be paying 1/3 of the MF's that the point owner has to use to get the week. Conversely if you are renting an off peak week from a weeks owner, if he rents at just the MF's, you might find a points owner that can rent it out for half that amount and still make a profit.

So think I get it-my reservation would be for 4 nights Wed check-in and Sunday check-out, so that should work. But on the Wyndham owner's end she has to book a full week and then cancel the excess days from Sunday to Wed morning or use them for another reservation?

I will say from what I see Smuggs weeks/points owners charging on the swap column and elsewhere, the Wyndham owner quote is a much, much better deal price wise. I thought, too, it would be less expensive to rent from a Smuggs weeks or RCI points owner, but that doesn't look like the case.

 

[ronparise]

So think I get it-my reservation would be for 4 nights Wed check-in and Sunday check-out, so that should work. But on the Wyndham owner's end she has to book a full week and then cancel the excess days from Sunday to Wed morning or use them for another reservation?

I will say from what I see Smuggs weeks/points owners charging on the swap column and elsewhere, the Wyndham owner quote is a much, much better deal price wise. I thought, too, it would be less expensive to rent from a Smuggs weeks or RCI points owner, but that doesn't look like the case.

You are wrong about a Wyndham owner having to book a full week. In our example. A Wednesday check in for 4 nights is ok

Back to your original question; you need to know some things when renting from a Wyndham owner and you should be aware of others but you don't need to know every thing. Kinda like the sausage sandwich I had for lunch the other day I want to know that the meat packing plant and the restaurant is inspected on a regular basis but I don't need to know nor do I want to know the details of sausage making

 

[antjmar]

You are wrong about a Wyndham owner having to book a full week. In our example. A Wednesday check in for 4 nights is ok

Back to your original question; you need to know some things when renting from a Wyndham owner and you should be aware of others but you don't need to know every thing. Kinda like the sausage sandwich I had for lunch the other day I want to know that the meat packing plant and the restaurant is inspected on a regular basis but I don't need to know nor do I want to know the details of sausage making

Ron, that was my advice since it is Christmas week at a ski resort and the unit he/she wants is for Sunday check ins only. I imagine by Wednesday there wont be any rooms left. It will be "sold out" by the 1 week reservations that booked it on Sunday for the entire week.
But you have much more experience!

 

[Vacationfuntips]

For this rental process - you have too much information - that you don't really need to know.

All you need to do is find a Seller that is trustworthy and easy to work with. Someone who has a good reputation. Someone that has good communication skills and does what they say they will do. Someone who you feel comfortable with in helping you secure the reservation that you want. Without the hassle.

Get you vacation details, dates and agreed on price in writing.

Make the required payment(s) to secure the vacation.

Make your decision. Don't think about this anymore...just go and be happy that you have found someone to help you get what you want.

FYI : Don't compare a 1 bedroom weekly rental to a 2 bedroom, 4 night stay. You can't. A 2 bedroom has more space and costs more in Prime Season.

Once again, Good luck!

Cynthia T.

 

[ace2000]

For this rental process - you have too much information - that you don't really need to know.

I was thinking the exact same thing!

 

[WinniWoman]

For this rental process - you have too much information - that you don't really need to know.

All you need to do is find a Seller that is trustworthy and easy to work with. Someone who has a good reputation. Someone that has good communication skills and does what they say they will do. Someone who you feel comfortable with in helping you secure the reservation that you want. Without the hassle.

Get you vacation details, dates and agreed on price in writing.

Make the required payment(s) to secure the vacation.

Make your decision. Don't think about this anymore...just go and be happy that you have found someone to help you get what you want.

FYI : Don't compare a 1 bedroom weekly rental to a 2 bedroom, 4 night stay. You can't. A 2 bedroom has more space and costs more in Prime Season.

Additionally, you should NEVER EVER Rent from someone who is Selling an RCI Weekly Vacation? Why? Because it is NOT ALLOWED and against RCI rules. ONLY Friends or Family are allowed to get RCI Guest Certificates and a Rental with a Cost is NOT Allowed either. So if your deal in the past was too good to be true - it most likely was!

Once again, Good luck!

Cynthia T.

I didn't rent from an RCI weekly vacation person (whatever that is). I rented from a Smuggs weeks owner who wasn't going to use his week and had advertised it on the Smuggs' Owner Network Swap and rental site, on the Smuggs website and developed by the resort itself. It was coordinated with the resort and completely legitimate.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I just have to decide now. I do not know the person so it will be just a intuition thing as far as that goes.

 

[WinniWoman]

You are wrong about a Wyndham owner having to book a full week. In our example. A Wednesday check in for 4 nights is ok

Back to your original question; you need to know some things when renting from a Wyndham owner and you should be aware of others but you don't need to know every thing. Kinda like the sausage sandwich I had for lunch the other day I want to know that the meat packing plant and the restaurant is inspected on a regular basis but I don't need to know nor do I want to know the details of sausage making

LOL! You're right about the sausage!:rofl:

 

[ronparise]

Ron, that was my advice since it is Christmas week at a ski resort and the unit he/she wants is for Sunday check ins only. I imagine by Wednesday there wont be any rooms left. It will be "sold out" by the 1 week reservations that booked it on Sunday for the entire week.
But you have much more experience!

You are right I didnt consider the reality of the situation, only the theory

Another reason to rent from an expert, I always recommend that new rentors specialize, and the flip side is true too. If you are going to rent, rent from a specialist

 

[Vacationfuntips]

Knowledge is power!

This is a link to the page in the 2014-2015 Club Wyndham Plus Directory for Smuggler's Notch Resort. It may help you figure out what you are getting for the Wyndham points used to book your stay based upon room size, dates and location.

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/wyndham/plus_membersdirectory1415/#/210

It tells which buildings are offered based upon points charts. You can check what the required day of the week for check-in is allowed for Prime Season and for specific building categories. Reservations can be made for 1 week, 3 nights or 4 nights during Prime Season.

I agree with Ron, when he says it is good to rent from an expert or someone who specializes. However, if you are "in the know" and "do your homework", then you are one step ahead of the rest.

Cynthia T.

 

[WinniWoman]

Knowledge is power!

This is a link to the page in the 2014-2015 Club Wyndham Plus Directory for Smuggler's Notch Resort. It may help you figure out what you are getting for the Wyndham points used to book your stay based upon room size, dates and location.

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/wyndham/plus_membersdirectory1415/#/210

It tells which buildings are offered based upon points charts. You can check what the required day of the week for check-in is allowed for Prime Season and for specific building categories. Reservations can be made for 1 week, 3 nights or 4 nights during Prime Season.

I agree with Ron, when he says it is good to rent from an expert or someone who specializes. However, if you are "in the know" and "do your homework", then you are one step ahead of the rest.

Cynthia T.

Thanks, but I already know all the check-in days, etc. I have owned there since 1999, but I am a weeks owner and bought before Wyndham got involved with the resort. I also have no idea if this person is an "expert" or not but she says she can get me the dates and buildings so I would think she knows what to do. Once the confirmation is in my name that alleviates the worry about losing the unit, correct?

 

[Vacationfuntips]

Let us all know how your rental booking works out?

Wyndham posts some notes under the points charts for the different buildings regarding their allowed booking days. It is hard to see unless you increase the magnification on the page, but it is there.

Cynthia T.

 

[Roger830]

Thanks, but I already know all the check-in days, etc. I have owned there since 1999, but I am a weeks owner and bought before Wyndham got involved with the resort. I also have no idea if this person is an "expert" or not but she says she can get me the dates and buildings so I would think she knows what to do. Once the confirmation is in my name that alleviates the worry about losing the unit, correct?

Just because someones says she can make the reservation doesn't mean it will happen. I see two problems here. I assume that we are talking about week 52, 2015.

1. As a previous poster mentioned, if all of the available weeks are booked on Sunday, then on Wednesday, there won't be any availability unless your agent books a full week, cancels, then successfully rebooks for only 4 days. You should know if this is the process to be used.

2. You stated that it's a former weeks resort. If all of the points units are converted weeks, then only the owner of that week can book it in the 13-10 month window. If your agent is using the 10 month window, there could be very little availability. Christmas is on Friday, so most owners would likely us that week starting Sunday. There could be very few converted weeks. Why would someone pay money to trade away a super prime ski week?

To avoid disappointment, you should know in detail how the reservation will be obtained.