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Westin St John [Master Thread] - Part 2 (June 2014 and forward)

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Two years ago, however, we had a very frustrating experience - waited for a while in the airport, then when we got to Crown Bay in the 2nd taxi, the ferry was pulling out because it was full. They made us wait two hours for the next one so it ended up being more than 4 hours from landing to Westin.

Bummer! What time of the year did you travel that it was so crowded?

We usually head over to Tickles (bar/restaurant at Crown Bay) for a nice little lunch and a "Welcome to the Islands" Painkiller if we're able. I can't imagine what kind of shape we'd be in after 3 1/2 hours of Painkillers.

P.S. We've never gone to WSJ with the kids.
 

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It was 3 years ago, Saturday before xmas.

Kids were real troopers -- probably held it together much better than I did!
 

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Resort fee

I assume the $40/day resort fee doesn't apply to ownership bookings with StarOptions, just to hotel bookings via cash or SPG points?

T-25hrs until we can book :)
 

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I assume the $40/day resort fee doesn't apply to ownership bookings with StarOptions, just to hotel bookings via cash or SPG points?

That is correct. I don't even recall being charged for a tourist tax.

We're coming up on 2 months before our WSJ trip. It's already turned cold here in the Midwest, so I'm already looking forward to it.
 

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That is correct. I don't even recall being charged for a tourist tax.

We're coming up on 2 months before our WSJ trip. It's already turned cold here in the Midwest, so I'm already looking forward to it.

In Oct 2012, we moved after a week in our 3BR villa to a 5-night SPG stay in a studio...which WSJ nicely upgraded to a 1BR Hillside unit. We were charged the $40 resort fee for only 2 of the 5 nights. Go figure.
 

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We're coming up on 2 months before our WSJ trip. It's already turned cold here in the Midwest, so I'm already looking forward to it.

We're 8mos away and I'm already looking forward to it :banana:

Argh! Someone took my 2BR Loft in the last day before the 8mos boundary kicked in... :( Or I guess perhaps someone took a unit that overlapped with our desired 10day booking... Either way, the wife is not going to be pleased...

I guess we book a 2BR and see if the Elite wait-list works as well at WSJ as it did at WKORV/N.
 

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I assume the $40/day resort fee doesn't apply to ownership bookings with StarOptions, just to hotel bookings via cash or SPG points?

T-25hrs until we can book :)

Correct - fee is for hotel side - not sure about II (but likely)
And like all things StJ - likely random event
 

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Please let us know how that wait list works for you at WSJ. We wait listed a Coral Vista studio for weeks 12 and part of 13 at the exact 8 month date and haven't had any success yet. I've called periodically to check on it but no luck yet.
 

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Please let us know how that wait list works for you at WSJ. We wait listed a Coral Vista studio for weeks 12 and part of 13 at the exact 8 month date and haven't had any success yet. I've called periodically to check on it but no luck yet.

We are trying to get one of the 2BR lofts, which I'm pretty sure are only in CV given the StarOptions required, sleeps 8 configuration, etc. We're arriving just after the Jul 4th weekend.

Last night, I saw a 2BR loft available, but only for 9-days. So, in my stupidity, I decided to go for it. Someone else took the new unit before I could click on reserving it at exactly midnight (9PM my time). And of course, I lost the original 10-day 2BR non-loft (had to release the StarOptions) since someone went and grabbed it (or it didn't come back to inventory?).

Releasing a unit puts back the StarOptions immediately, so at least that's nice to see...

Luckily, someone else must have let go of a unit an hour or so later, so I scooped it up for a 9-day 2BR non-loft stay. Better to have something booked. My wife was going to kill me when I told her I had nothing...

I have two wait-lists going for 2BR lofts, one for the original 10-day stay and another for the 9-day stay. They expire 60 days in advance of arrival. Looks like you can hold as many wait-lists as the number of VOIs you own. Cool...

We've had good success with wait-listing at WKORV/N. I think we had 3 different requests filled that one year when we had 7 units of various sizes booked.
 

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We are trying to get one of the 2BR lofts, which I'm pretty sure are only in CV given the StarOptions required, sleeps 8 configuration, etc. We're arriving just after the Jul 4th weekend.

This has been discussed in another thread, but Starwood claims that they do not assign rooms (or phase) until check-in. So if you book a 2 bdrm, they can assign you any 2 bdrm in any phase, even though not all phases sleep the same number of people. So even though the description makes it seem like it's in CV, you may get moved to another unit. (FYI, last time we went to WSJ, I originally booked a regular 2 bdrm but was later moved to a loft 2 bdrm.)

That's why my advice is to make sure that you indicate that you have x guests list on your reservation well ahead of time if that's what you'll need. If you show up with 10 people because your confirmation indicated that it slept 10, I think you'd have a lot more leverage with the front desk clerk if you declared that you'd actually be bringing 10 people vs. the guy who only brings 4 people and wants a loft just because they're bigger and nicer.
 

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This has been discussed in another thread, but Starwood claims that they do not assign rooms (or phase) until check-in. So if you book a 2 bdrm, they can assign you any 2 bdrm in any phase, even though not all phases sleep the same number of people. So even though the description makes it seem like it's in CV, you may get moved to another unit. (FYI, last time we went to WSJ, I originally booked a regular 2 bdrm but was later moved to a loft 2 bdrm.)

That's why my advice is to make sure that you indicate that you have x guests list on your reservation well ahead of time if that's what you'll need. If you show up with 10 people because your confirmation indicated that it slept 10, I think you'd have a lot more leverage with the front desk clerk if you declared that you'd actually be bringing 10 people vs. the guy who only brings 4 people and wants a loft just because they're bigger and nicer.

Agreed it's up in the air until arrival, but my point is that there are 2 loft configs, sleeps 8 in CV and sleeps 10 in BV, both requiring the same number of SO's.

When I inquired, SVO says they will not put you in a smaller sleeps unit than the one you booked, nor will they put you in a unit that costs less SO's. So if you book a sleeps 10, you'll get BV. If you book a sleeps 8, you could get either CV or BV ("an upgrade to a larger unit").

Weird thing is that the reservation we have for the regular 2BR right now shows up on the SPG site, but it doesn't say to contact SVO for more details like our other upcoming villa stays. It looks just like a hotel booking, you can click through to details, and it says the rate plan is "Svn owner" at $0/nt with a $40/nt resort fee, and describes the room as a 963sq.ft. 2BR villa, which only matches the 2BR CV config.

Not that I'm going to hold my breath and take that as correct, I'm sure it's just another IT monkey issue...
 

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Do not pay attention to what is listed for WSJ on the SPG site for a SVN reservation.
 

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When I inquired, SVO says they will not put you in a smaller sleeps unit than the one you booked, nor will they put you in a unit that costs less SO's. So if you book a sleeps 10, you'll get BV. If you book a sleeps 8, you could get either CV or BV ("an upgrade to a larger unit").

Well, that makes more sense than what they told another Tugger, which is what they could put you in any 2 bdrm. Good to know.

We'll be arriving Jan 17th. I wonder if the CV phase is even close to being completed. It would be nice to check out new digs, though I think they'd be an even farther walk than the BV phase. (I don't think that they have a parking lot on that side of the resort.)
 

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CV buildings are closer than BV - with pool as point.
Neither have parking.
 

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No units in CV have kitchens.

Correct - kitchenettes only

Fully equipped kitchenette with breakfast bar, cooktop, microwave oven, refrigerator with icemaker, dishwasher, coffee maker, toaster, blender and dinnerware
 

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Someone was asking if the USVI Property Taxes had been processed yet.
They finally came thru my bank - Nov 24.
I sent them on Sept 27.

'Go Slow' is the USVI adage for a reason...
 

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Someone was asking if the USVI Property Taxes had been processed yet.
They finally came thru my bank - Nov 24.
I sent them on Sept 27.

'Go Slow' is the USVI adage for a reason...

Strange. I mailed mine a few days after you did and mine cleared on Nov 7. Last in first out? :confused:

Also strange was that they didn't actually present and cash the check. They simply deducted the amount electronically.
 

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FYI: In the BV section, property taxes are included in the maintenance fees. I don't have to send them in separately. I just recently got my bill for next year.
 

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Strange. I mailed mine a few days after you did and mine cleared on Nov 7. Last in first out? :confused:

Also strange was that they didn't actually present and cash the check. They simply deducted the amount electronically.

I have a photocopy of the check in my checking account info. Previously, it was just an electronic deduction (like yours)

btw - the 2015 WSJ VGV MFs have been posted - 0.66% decrease from 2014.
 

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Nov. 2014, Report to VGV Owners

November 26, 2014

Dear Fellow Virgin Grand Villas Owner:

As your elected representatives on the Board of Directors, we participated in September in a session with management to consider a proposed budget for 2015 and in the November 2014 meeting of the Board. This is our report to you.

Maintenance Fees Going Down Once Again
Thanks to good work by the management company, vigilance by your Board of Directors, a lower rate of non-payment of maintenance fees, and a decrease in water usage (because pool leaks were discovered and repaired), maintenance fees are going down again this coming year. The decrease is not significant – an average of $14.23 per unit week (a little less for small units, a little more for large ones), but of course, any decrease is better than an increase, provided that there is no reduction in the quality of the resort or the services that we receive when we visit.

We were able to achieve a small reduction despite the facts that our property insurance premiums have increased substantially, from $66 per unit week in 2011 to $209 in 2015, and that in 2015 we will incur fees for alarm maintenance and termite treatment that we must pay every five years. A main driver of the increased insurance premiums is the revaluation of the property by the insurance company; the property is worth considerably more as a result of the improvement of the buildings in the last few years.

However, we think that it is safe to predict that over the next few years, we will probably experience maintenance fee increases, although we will try to keep them as small as possible. In addition to any normal cost-of-living increases (for example, in staff wages), one reason for the expected increases is Starwood's continuing conversion of its hotel rooms, including the poolside rooms, to time share units. As you know, in recent years Starwood created the Bay Vista and Coral Vista developments on what was hotel property, and it is now starting a fourth timeshare development at The Westin St. John by converting some hotel rooms in Building 12, one of the poolside buildings. Each conversion causes the number of units on hotel property to decrease, because two hotel rooms are often converted into one two-bedroom unit. The legal agreements that govern the property provide that most common expenses are shared in proportion to the number of units (not the number of bedrooms) for each entity. So, for example, in 2014 our Virgin Grand property accounted for 28.7% of the units, and therefore bore 28.7% of the common expenses (such as waterfront activities and the salaries and benefits of the front desk workers, the reservation clerks, and the security personnel). But in 2015 our share of the units and of those expenses will be 31.1%, and our share will continue to increase for as long as Starwood replaces hotel rooms with a smaller number of timeshare condominium units.

Until the creation of the Coral Vista development, there were 175 hotel units. Now there are only 96 hotel units and 54 Coral Vista units, a reduction of 25 units. If there are further conversions of multiple hotel rooms to single ownership units with no corresponding savings in cost resulting from the smaller number of units, our maintenance fees would continue to rise.

Please note that these developments by Starwood are not something that the Virgin Grand Board of Directors can control or even influence. We are providing the information to you so that you can anticipate what might happen, not because there is anything we can do to prevent this possible maintenance fee increase.

As an aside, we have no sense that an elimination of the hotel would necessarily diminish the quality of the resort. We have vacationed at other Starwood Vacation Ownership resorts that had only timeshare units, and no hotel, and the quality of those resorts (such as in Maui and Princeville, Hawaii) is just as high as that of The Westin St. John.

Co-generation of Electricity
The principal issue for our Board discussions during the past year has been how to control our energy costs. As you know, the electrical utility in the Virgin Islands has been charging extremely high rates for power – currently about 50 cents per kilowatt hour. And the rate has increased steadily for the last five years. Not only is the power company's electricity expensive – it is also unreliable, causing frequent power outages at our property.

As you know, we have installed photo-voltaic cells on the roofs of some of the Virgin Grand buildings to produce solar energy for us. But solar energy cannot meet all of our needs. Some additional cells are being installed on certain roof surfaces of the hillside buildings, but most of those surfaces do not receive enough sunlight to make installation of still more cells worthwhile. We also considered a ground array of solar cells below buildings 31 and 32, but we decided that such an array would be unsightly and would destroy the look of the resort.

As we have previously reported, we are considering purchasing co-generation equipment that would produce all of our remaining electrical needs by burning LPG (which comes in liquefied form and produces a combustible gas). At current prices, the cost to us of the fuel would be about 33 cents per kilowatt hour, and a service contract for the equipment will add about 4 cents per kilowatt hour to this cost. The equipment would be located on the hotel side of the road, not on our property, and underground lines would bring the electricity to Virgin Grand.

However, we are still evaluating whether this would be a worthwhile investment. If the current rate that we pay for electricity were to continue or increase, we could recover our cost in less than seven years, and after that, we would save a good deal on our electric bills. But it has been announced that the local utility company is converting its generating equipment from diesel fuel to LPG. That could significantly decrease the price of the electricity that we purchase. We cannot presently estimate the pace of the utility's conversion or whether it will really result in a lower price for electricity. It is therefore quite challenging for us to predict the amount that we would save by purchasing co-generation equipment or how long it would take before we would break even on our investment in the machinery and start to save money. So we are continuing to study the issue rather than deciding to buy co-generation equipment at this time. Meanwhile, because the savings from the utility's conversion may not actually be realized, we are investigating the expected useful life of the co-generation equipment and the availability of long-term service guarantees.

Owner Posting Bulletin Board
We continue to receive some mail from owners who ask us how to access the owner bulletin board for listing units for rent, sale, or exchange, so as a friendly reminder we have included the instructions here:

Secure access to the site is provided to Owners registered with MyStarCentral. Please follow the steps below.

I have a MyStarCentral account:
Visit starwoodvactionnetwork.com and click on 'Owner Login' in the upper-left corner of your screen.
Enter your Username or Email and your Password and click 'LOG IN'.
Hover your mouse over 'Owner Quick Links' in the upper-right corner of your screen and select 'MyStarCentral' from the drop down list.
Click on 'Your Owners Association' in the left-hand navigation menu.
Select a 'Westin St. John Resort & Villas - Virgin Grand' unit and click 'View the Details of this Ownership Week'.
Click on 'VGV Owner Posting Board' in the right-hand section of your screen.
I do not have a MyStarCentral account:
Visit starwoodvactionnetwork.com and click on 'Owner Login' in the upper-left corner of your screen.
Click 'REGISTER NOW'.
Follow the on-screen prompts to complete the online form.
Click 'Go directly to the StarCentral homepage'.
Click on 'Your Owners Association' in the left-hand navigation menu.
Select a 'Westin St. John Resort & Villas - Virgin Grand' unit and click 'View the Details of this Ownership Week'.
Click on 'VGV Owner Posting Board' in the right-hand section of your screen.
This will take you to the Association's website where you must read and accept the terms and conditions of the disclosure statement. You will then be taken to the homepage where you can sign up and create your member profile.

Please be aware that you must create a member profile and be logged in to create or view current listings. Just beneath the boxed message on the homepage, there is a link you may click on to view detailed instructions for use of the website. This detailed instruction document and the FAQ page can be accessed without logging in to the website.

There is one tricky part about logging in for the very first time. When you have followed the instructions above and get to the main page for our posting website, you will see this box:

User Login If you are registering for the first time on our bulletin board, DO NOT enter your email or password where it says to enter them. Instead, click on the words "New members click here to sign up." After you have signed up as directed, on return visits to the site you will enter your email and the password that you selected.

Also, a few Mac users have had difficulty signing in with Safari. If you use a Mac and have difficulty, try using Google Chrome.

Chikungunya Virus
A tropical virus called chikungunya has now affected the entire Caribbean region. See the recent New York Times article about it and the St. John Tradewinds article (reporting that the disease has reached St. John). This is a virus borne by day-biting mosquitoes. The resort treats standing water on the property, and there are also 26 mosquito traps on site. However, many of us also travel to other places on the island. We therefore advise owners to use mosquito repellant containing DEET during daylight hours, particularly when venturing off the resort grounds.

Sidewalk
We are investigating the possibility of building a sidewalk along the main road from our property to the St. John Market, so owners who shop there would not have to walk in the road. We have asked the Board of the Bay Vista development to share the cost with us, as Bay Vista owners also shop at the St. John Market.

Annual Owners' Meeting
The next annual owners' meeting will take place at the resort on April 20, 2015. We encourage those of you who will be in St. John at that time to attend, when there will be an opportunity to ask questions at the end of the meeting.

Sincerely,
Philip G. Schrag
phil.schrag@gmail.com

Robert Werbel
robert.werbel@yahoo.com

This email was sent by SVO Management, Inc. You've received this email as a convenience in the general course of communication regarding your ownership.
 

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As you know, in recent years Starwood created the Bay Vista and Coral Vista developments on what was hotel property, and it is now starting a fourth timeshare development at The Westin St. John by converting some hotel rooms in Building 12, one of the poolside buildings.

That sounds like Building 12 is not part of Coral Vista, so there is yet another phase coming?
 

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That sounds like Building 12 is not part of Coral Vista, so there is yet another phase coming?

That's how I read it. A "fourth" phase. It makes sense to eliminate the rest of the hotel rooms now that they're down to just a couple of buildings remaining.

The most interesting part of the letter was the reference to Hillside paying its share of common expenses based on a percentage of the total # of units. This will lead to a pretty significant increase in Hillside's share of common expenses as hotel rooms are eliminated.
 

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Building 12 is definitely not a part of the Coral Vista phase. Interesting...

 

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My understanding is that eventually the whole complex will be used for timesharing. I guess they're getting started on the last hotel area near the pool now.
 
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