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Westin St John [Master Thread] - Part 2 (June 2014 and forward)

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81k starpoints wont get you much

We were there in August, and it cost us 84k Starpoints for an efficiency.
 

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We were there in August, and it cost us 84k Starpoints for an efficiency.

What is an efficiency? Do you mean hotel studio, or did you stay in studio villa?
Do you mean that you used 84K SPG StarPoints? Are you confusing StarPoints with StarOptions? They are different currencies. SP=Hotel, SO=TS

The hotel portion is being shut down and converted to FlexOptions for villa stays.

Our 2Bd TH in VGV section (Gold+ season) is worth 95.7 SO and gets 1 week stay. It would take many more SPs for similar stay.
 

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Studio Villa

We stayed in a studio villa. There is no hotel portion at WSJ. We are not owners, so I guess we used StarPoints that we acquired by doing 2 Starwood timeshare get-a-ways.
 

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Do you all pay your dues with a check or CC? I paid mine a couple weeks ago with a check and it hasn't cleared yet. Now I'm wishing I'd used a CC, but at the time didn't want to deal with the hassle of photocopies of my driver's license.
 

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Do you all pay your dues with a check or CC? I paid mine a couple weeks ago with a check and it hasn't cleared yet. Now I'm wishing I'd used a CC, but at the time didn't want to deal with the hassle of photocopies of my driver's license.

If you mean Maintenance Fees - I pay with CC (get 2x-3x points - and with CSR CC, a $300 credit) - never paid by check.

For Property Taxes - I pay by check - takes weeks to clear.
 

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I totally meant taxes. Thanks!

I will be paying my MFs with my cc.

??? wait a minute. This year I paid after receiving one VGV PropTax bill (and not the other) by going on line and paid both weeks by going into property tax.vi.gov
Using the control and invoice number on back of paper bill.
I did not photocopy a drivers license... and pretty sure I paid w CC this year.
 

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??? wait a minute. This year I paid after receiving one VGV PropTax bill (and not the other) by going on line and paid both weeks by going into property tax.vi.gov
Using the control and invoice number on back of paper bill.
I did not photocopy a drivers license... and pretty sure I paid w CC this year.


Last year, I could not pay online ( I eve called the tax office ). Didn't even try this year. I know that if I sent in a CC # I had to send in a copy of my license.

Now I sit back and see if they ever cash my check.
 

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The tax bill for 2016 can be paid online w/o photo ID - I have done this, and directions to do so are listed on tax bill. I just went thru the process, and showed that I paid. If you have you parcel number - go in usvi site - enter parcel number - it will show if payment paid and when it was received.
 
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Sept. 2016 - VGV Owners Letter from BOD

September 2016

Dear Fellow Virgin Grand Villa Owners:

As your elected members of the Board of Directors of the Virgin Grand owners association, we recently participated in the fall meeting of the Board, held in Orlando Florida. Two of the four meetings each year are held by conference call, but the September meeting is an in-person meeting at which, among other business, members review and either accept or suggest changes to the budget that has been proposed by management. The budget is then circulated to owners before final review by the Board in November. Here is a photograph of the Board at work:

{insert photo}

2017 PROPOSED BUDGET

So let’s lead off with some good news:

For the sixth year in a row, the 2017 proposed budget, which you will receive shortly, and to which we expect to give final approval in November, contemplates a small decrease (one percent) in maintenance fees. We recognize that the decreases in each of the last six years have been small, but we regard small decreases as vastly preferable to increases.

The management company has managed to present a budget that again reduces maintenance fees as a result of seeking efficiencies wherever possible, and despite:
increases greater than inflation in the pool of funds available for staff salaries
an expected increase in the cost of electricity (about which we will say more below)
ongoing improvements in the facilities of the resort, many of which we have discussed in past reports and some of which are described below.
Our budget was also helped by the fact that during 2016, as we reported last year, the developer began paying annual maintenance fees on the 112 unit weeks that our association had obtained through foreclosure actions against owners who were delinquent in paying their maintenance fees. We continue to have an aggressive lien and foreclosure policy, so that owners do not have to absorb the maintenance costs that are not paid by the approximately five percent of owners who are delinquent. (If you become behind in your maintenance fee payments, we urge you to make those payments rather than being locked out of the use of your unit, having a lien imposed on your property, and being subjected to a lawsuit to foreclose on your unit week.)

RESORT UPDATE

We can expect these improvements, many of them responsive to requests we have received from owners, during the coming year:
Water fountains at the iguana pools, which the Board approved last year, will be installed and operational by the end of December. In addition, house phones are being installed at the iguana shuttle stops at the hillside pools and near the 3-bedroom villas.
Renovations will be completed soon in buildings 31, 32, 43 and 44. Additional artwork will go into the other buildings, where renovations were completed in the recent past.
Knox and Ollie’s, the new restaurant where Cruz Bay Prime used to be, will open on November 1. At about the same time, Lemongrass will move to being open five nights a week with a buffet and closed two nights a week (probably Tuesday and Wednesday which are the slowest nights of the week). Lemongrass Bar will remain open on those two nights. The space that used to be occupied by the Mango Deli will have a new tenant, featuring coffee service and health drinks in the morning and house-made ice cream in the afternoons and evenings. New awnings are being installed at Snorkels.
Privacy shades are being put in place for massages at the gazebo.
Beach chairs will be added periodically to the freecycle shed, to augment the beach chairs that owners buy and leave in the shed for others to use.
New chairs and tables will be supplied for the hillside balconies. The new chairs will be a bit smaller than those previously used, enabling owners to seat four people around the balcony table. The new chairs will be stackable, so that if an owner would prefer more balcony space, chairs can be moved to one corner.
The pool villas will receive new patio furniture with cushions.
The outdoor Jacuzzis in buildings 43 and 44 will be repaired so that they are all fully operational.
Many of the trees visible from the hillside buildings will be pruned, to improve the view of the bay. Not every tree can be pruned, however, because some of them are protected species and a few are not on our property.

BUDGET ISSUES

We had to budget for an expected increase in electricity costs during 2017, from the current rate of 28 cents per KWH to a possible rate of 35 cents per KWH. We have no control, of course, over the rate charged by the utility (which is based in St. Thomas), but we believe that the current rate (down from 51 cents per KWH a few years ago) will go up because the utility has not yet converted from diesel fuel to liquid propane gas and will need to spend money to replace outdated infrastructure before it can make the planned conversion. (If we are wrong and the rate does not go up, there will of course be a surplus compared to the amount that we have budgeted.)

Although we can’t control the utility’s rates, we do have some control over consumption. Please turn off the lights and televisions, and set the thermostat on your air conditioning to 70 whenever you are out of the villa.

As in the past several years, the maintenance fee for 2017 includes a contribution to the hurricane contingency fund we created several years ago that would pay for the 5% deductible ($1.3 million) in the event of a catastrophic major storm. (The deductible kicks in if our property is damaged by a tropical storm or hurricane that has been given a name by the weather service.) We hope to make a final reservation of funds for that contingency in the 2018 budget, so that if there is no major storm and no increase in the insurance company’s assessment of the value of Virgin Grand, owners will not have to fund this contingency as part of our maintenance fees starting in 2019. Of course if there is a damaging “named storm,” we will have to replenish funds that we spend on repairs. We have been lucky in recent years (the most damaging storm was not a “named storm” so it was covered without our having to pay a deductible), but St. John is in the path of potential hurricanes and many experts expect them to become more frequent and stronger as a result of global warming.

As you know from our previous reports, our share of the common area costs of the resort (shared also by the hotel and the three other condominium associations) has been going up ever since 2008 as a result of the conversion of hotel rooms to a smaller number of condominium units. Common costs are items such as security for the entire resort and activities such as providing the kayaks on the beach, as opposed to landscaping maintenance of the Virgin Grand property, which is entirely our responsibility. In 2007, our share of the common area costs was less than 25 percent. In 2017 it will be about 33.6 percent and by 2018, when all the hotel rooms will have been converted to condo units, our share will stabilize at a little more than 36 percent. Most of these costs are distributed in proportion to the number of units in each entity (that is, the hotel and each condominium association), rather than the number of bedrooms in each entity. We were concerned that the allocation by units rather than bedrooms was unfavorable to Virgin Grand, but a careful analysis revealed that the difference between these two methods of computing the allocation was only a fraction of one percent, and in fact the method that the management company uses is slightly favorable to Virgin Grand. In other words, under either method of computation, our portion of shared common area costs would have increased since 2007 from less than 25 percent to a little more than 36 percent in 2018.

OWNER BULLETIN BOARD

{insert hard to follow instructions to get to VGV Owner website - ridiculously hard to navigate no matter how they instruct - instructions shouldn't even have to be needed - IMO, sorry}

ANNUAL MEETING

The annual meeting of the association will be held at the resort on the morning of Monday, February 27, 2017. We hope to see many of you there. Bring your questions or, if you can’t be there in person, email questions to us and we will ask them for you. We will send out our next report after that meeting.

Philip G. Schrag
phil.schrag@gmail.com
Robert H. Werbel
robert.werbel@yahoo.com
 
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So... VGV MFs are going to increase because we pay for both the resort AND our area.(25%, to 33%, to 36% for VGV share).
Fine. Then stop Main Resort folks for using our facilities! Last year a BV owner thru a huge party at the pool between B33-34 with Iguna Drivers bringing up guests and food, and staying to have dinner with them (2 carts). All burners and tables were taken. Party finally broke up after a drunken fight broke out (in that white trash way...) - embrassing...
 

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So... VGV MFs are going to increase because we pay for both the resort AND our area.(25%, to 33%, to 36% for VGV share).
Fine. Then stop Main Resort folks for using our facilities! Last year a BV owner thru a huge party at the pool between B33-34 with Iguna Drivers bringing up guests and food, and staying to have dinner with them (2 carts). All burners and tables were taken. Party finally broke up after a drunken fight broke out (in that white trash way...) - embrassing...

I agree. Not as big of a deal with Pool villas but we still subsidize the rest of the resort. I use the common areas at the main resort minimally, mainly just tennis courts.
 

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So... VGV MFs are going to increase because we pay for both the resort AND our area.(25%, to 33%, to 36% for VGV share).
Fine. Then stop Main Resort folks for using our facilities! Last year a BV owner thru a huge party at the pool between B33-34 with Iguna Drivers bringing up guests and food, and staying to have dinner with them (2 carts). All burners and tables were taken. Party finally broke up after a drunken fight broke out (in that white trash way...) - embrassing...

WOW :eek: Nice that VGV can subsidize a private party. The audacity of some people. So did this yahoo expect you to go to the main resort to grill your food, so he could have his party?
 

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I haven't been to St John, but that letter makes me want to buy at VGV, that's amazing board representation for a hotel TS.

Does anyone know if they've considered adding solar? At 30 cents per kWh, both photovoltaic and hot water would almost certainly be economic.

(I'll make it some day, but at least 1 transfer and likely 10+ hours doesn't sound like a vacation with a toddler and a baby)
 

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WOW :eek: Nice that VGV can subsidize a private party. The audacity of some people. So did this yahoo expect you to go to the main resort to grill your food, so he could have his party?

The main yahoo lied to me and said he was a VGV Owner, but when they left - they all headed downhill. This was way out of control - we have been going for 10 years and never seen something this bad. These folks are not the only ones coming up from the Main Resort and using our pool area B33-34, it is not common - but does go on. I am sure it goes on for B31-32 as well (and perhaps more often since they are closer).

When they were doing main pool maintenance - people were being shuttled up as well.

A main point is that we pay for ours entirely, and then a relatively large proportion of the Main resort as well.
This rate is an increase of ~50% since 2007 based on letter to VGV Owners: <25% in 2007 to >36% in 2018.
The letter attempted to justify this, but missing the larger and more important point - how does VGV usage fee for the Main resort increase ~50% over last 10 years? Our size has not changed, so their contribution (Main resort phases) has decreased by this amount? Is this a fact? I doubt that the population using the Main resort has a relative decrease in occupancy (truly the best gauge to divide main resort usage fees) - I would love to see that FUZZY math.

We is not stated is how much of this amount is as a percentage of the VGV budget (10%, 30%, 60%???) as this percentage is important towards our MFs increase. Anyone know?
 
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Why didn't they organize WSJ as a single HOA? Is there a back story to this?
 

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Why didn't they organize WSJ as a single HOA? Is there a back story to this?

So they could screw VGV Owners - paying us back for our revolt?
{sarcasm - I was channeling genenwendy} What ever happened to the VGV Owner Coalition? Last I heard their attorney passed away

Probably too complicated to make a single HOA - 1st issue they would probably need a majority vote across all phases. Probably easy to combine CV and SB as their system is the same (and not deeded weeks). VGV and BV phases have different systems (and deeded weeks).
Heck, not being able to get a quorum is what led to the Owner Coalition (see WSJ thread part 1)
 

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Another Reason why Developer wanted different HOA

Why didn't they organize WSJ as a single HOA? Is there a back story to this?

Because they could keep the maint fees down and more attractive for sales. This from the latest meeting of the oldest HOA at WSJ:

"In 2007, our share of the common area costs was less than 25 percent. In 2017 it will be about 33.6 percent and by 2018, when all the hotel rooms will have been converted to condo units, our share will stabilize at a little more than 36 percent."
 

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2017 MF for WSJ VGV

Proposed MF for 2017:

Studio - $1386
1Bd - $1846
2Bd TH - $2310
2Bd Prem - $2772
3Bd Pool $2772
 

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Studio - $1386
1Bd - $1846
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2Bd Prem - $2772
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My 3BR pool villa was $2799 last year. This represents a 1% reduction as promised in the earlier letter. I'm very impressed with how they have managed to control costs despite the significant increase in common area expenses.
 

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I'm wondering if anyone has any guidance on how II works and whether it's even an option in my circumstance. I own a 2BR BV unit for week 51 and our plans changed so we're not coming this year unfortunately. I bought it a number of years ago on secondary market and Bay Vista is not a mandatory resort so I know I don't have the ability to exchange through Starwood/Vistana. If I'm not successful renting it out privately, am I able to deposit it into II or is that not an available option for me? We've used it every year or given to family members so I've never explored exchanges. I know the value would be dreadful compared to what a holiday week WSJ villa is worth, but just wondering what if any my options are if I can't rent it. Any guidance on the process would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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