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Westin St John [Master Thread] - Part 2 (June 2014 and forward)

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Looking at resale weeks now, and one for sale by a BV owner promises a fixed unit and a fixed week, and it's pointed out that the advantage for this unit is that it's unlike all the other BV weeks that were sold as floating weeks. Is this true or were all weeks at BV sold as floating weeks. (And yes, I know no staroptions on resale)

Yes, it was possible to pay an extra 20% to fix the unit and the week. I would assume the estoppel would confirm the details indicated by the seller.
 

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Looking at resale weeks now, and one for sale by a BV owner promises a fixed unit and a fixed week, and it's pointed out that the advantage for this unit is that it's unlike all the other BV weeks that were sold as floating weeks. Is this true or were all weeks at BV sold as floating weeks. (And yes, I know no staroptions on resale)

Most were sold as floating weeks.
 

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At WSJ this week, in BV, on the first floor in a two bedroom, using a friend's staroptions. No deck, just a very small unusable patio. Very noisy to sit at beach or the pool during construction hours. But hey, it's St. John and we're having a great week. And we've been snorkeling every morning. Finally got to Waterlemon Cay after swimming out from shore. I swear I saw a shark on the ocean floor in the channel.

Looking at resale weeks now, and one for sale by a BV owner promises a fixed unit and a fixed week, and it's pointed out that the advantage for this unit is that it's unlike all the other BV weeks that were sold as floating weeks. Is this true or were all weeks at BV sold as floating weeks. (And yes, I know no staroptions on resale)

It was likely a Nurse shark (harmless) if it was stationary on the bottom. Careful with full/no moon tides at Waterlemon (or any channel). A friend almost drowned there a few years ago - luckily another Tugger came to rescue.

Up to 50% of BV were available to be fixed in any given season. Likely that mark was never made since people prefer float weeks for flexibility. So... there are fixed villas at BV. All are fixed in VGV.
 

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WSJ-VGV - March 2016 Report to Owners

March 2016
Dear Fellow Virgin Grand Villas Owner:

As your owner-elected representatives, we recently participated in the annual meeting and the February Board of Directors meeting of our condominium association. We were pleased that quite a few owners were in attendance and they asked excellent well-informed questions.

There were no major issues for decision at this meeting, but we did make a couple of decisions, and we received an update on improvements and construction at the resort.

RESORT UPDATE

Renovation of the interiors of the units has been underway since early 2015 and all of the interiors will have been renovated by the end of 2016. The new dock has been installed and is in use by the ferry and by the boat and dive trips that leave from the resort. The conversion of the final group of hotel rooms to ownership units has begun, with first occupancy of the new Sunset Bay portion of the resort expected next January. New barbecue grills have been installed in Virgin Grand and they include timers so that the flame is not kept on indefinitely if an owner forgets to turn off the gas. Of perhaps greatest interest, Mr. Ryan is close to completing an agreement with an upscale restaurant to replace the much-missed Cruz Bay Prime. The new restaurant may be open as soon as late November. Sam Hugli, the new Director of Operations, is working on the menu at Lemongrass to make it more family-friendly.

BALCONY CHAIRS

The very heavy wooden chairs on the hillside balconies will be replaced as soon as General Manager Mike Ryan is able to identify a good replacement product that will not deteriorate despite being rained on frequently. The new chairs will be smaller and easier to reposition. The two-bedroom loft units will be able to accommodate four such chairs, rather than three chairs as at present.

OWNER QUESTIONS

We won't try to present all of the owner questions, but some of possibly more general interest are these.

One owner asked if the boards of the other associations at the property would get owner-elected representatives now that the hotel was being fully converted. Starwood Vacation Ownership's (SVO) response was that there would be such representatives, starting with Bay Vista, possibly next year. SVO recognizes that we need to find a mechanism through which all four condo boards can have input into decisions affecting the common resort areas.

One owner asked how the transition from SVO to Interval Leisure Group would affect owners or the resort. SVO's answer was that there is no indication that anything will change for the worse, and, as a benefit, there will be at least five more resorts in the system into which owners can exchange with StarOptions. We pointed out, however, that the acquisition of Starwood (the hotel company) by Marriott could be more problematic. Some owners have worried that Marriott will combine its point system with SPG points, making it harder for Starwood owners to use Starpoints to obtain hotel reservations. Thus far, there has been no indication that the programs will be combined. However, the merger does mean that there will be less competition in the hotel industry and we have seen one effect of this already: recently both Starwood and Marriott raised the category levels of many of their hotels, making it more difficult to use points for hotel stays. (As you know, the major airlines' loyalty programs are becoming less generous at the same time.)

One owner asked about the method for allocating the common area costs among the four condo associations, now that hotel rooms are being converted to a smaller number of timeshare units. Because some of the common area costs are allocated by the number of units rather than by the number of bedrooms, other things being equal this would increase our maintenance fees after the Sunset Bay development has been completed - and by more than if the costs were allocated by bedroom. We are working with management to understand the allocation formulas, the rationale for making allocations by units rather than bedrooms (given that conversion of the hotel was not contemplated when the allocation formulas were first applied), and most importantly, the dollar amount by which the maintenance fees will be impacted as a result of allocating some of the costs by units rather than bedrooms. We will return to these matters at the June Board meeting. Note: Maintenance of the commercial areas, such as the shops and restaurants, is paid for by SVO, not by the associations.

One owner questioned why the maintenance fee for a two bedroom premium villa (not a loft) was the same as for a three-bedroom pool villa. SVO responded that this allocation was established in the Declaration that created the condominium and thus was not subject to change.

One owner asked for full budget figures to be made available to owners. SVO responded that the audited financial statement for 2015 would be posted when completed (usually by the end of May) in the "Owners Association" section of the Dashboard on the Starwood Vacation Network website under the Association Information drop down menu. In the interim, SVO will be working to post the 2014 audited final statement.

One owner asked for reassurance that SVO was not using the toxic insecticide that caused serious harm to vacationers at the Sirenusa Resort on St. John. Mr. Ryan reported that our resort has never used Terminix (the exterminator at Sirenusa) or methyl bromide, the product that caused the illnesses.

One owner remarked about beach advisory signs that had been posted. Mr. Ryan reported that the Virgin Islands government tests all of the non-Park beaches for bacterial count every Tuesday and reports the results on Fridays. If the water is not safe for swimming because of high bacterial counts, the resort posts advisory notices during the weekend and removes them the following Tuesday. Typically, when our beach is affected, about thirty other beaches are also affected. The north shore beaches are not affected because currents wash away any pollution.

ELECTION RESULTS

Philip Schrag was elected to another term as an owner-elected representative. The next scheduled election will occur at the 2018 annual meeting, when Mr. Werbel's term expires.

Philip G. Schrag
phil.schrag@gmail.com

Robert H. Werbel
robert.werbel@yahoo.com
 

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Great to see Phil re-elected to VGV HOA BOD.
Congrats Phil! (if you are lurking... ;))
 

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Suggestions for Jost Van Dyke trip

We are going to be on STJ in early June and have some friends joining us from a Wednesday to the following Wednesday. We have gone over to Jost Van Dyke a couple of times on the Island Spirit and were hoping to take them on this trip. The problem is that the Island Spirit goes on Tuesdays and Thursdays and we were hoping to take them closer to the middle of their stay.

I was wondering if anyone can recommend another operator that takes groups over to Jost.

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We are going to be on STJ in early June and have some friends joining us from a Wednesday to the following Wednesday. We have gone over to Jost Van Dyke a couple of times on the Island Spirit and were hoping to take them on this trip. The problem is that the Island Spirit goes on Tuesdays and Thursdays and we were hoping to take them closer to the middle of their stay.

I was wondering if anyone can recommend another operator that takes groups over to Jost.

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Captain Benny with Copeland Charters

He even stopped at the store previous to our charter and filled the coolers with our choice of beer and his wife made us some rum punch!

http://www.copelandboatcharters.com/rates.html
 

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Hey E&C - I would think most Charters go to JVD, and would be fine with not spot-hopping (IslandRoots would...). Doesn't WSJ (CruzBay) have a smaller boat that you can charter with a Captain.

The JVD ferry is an adventure... :D
 

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We are going to be on STJ in early June and have some friends joining us from a Wednesday to the following Wednesday. We have gone over to Jost Van Dyke a couple of times on the Island Spirit and were hoping to take them on this trip. The problem is that the Island Spirit goes on Tuesdays and Thursdays and we were hoping to take them closer to the middle of their stay.

I was wondering if anyone can recommend another operator that takes groups over to Jost.

Thanks

If you still want to do Island Spirit, they do have a low key trip on Sunday that takes you over to Jost for the whole day. Their trip is called Sunday Funday.

It leaves later in the morning and does not island hop. We usually take it when we are in between villas( homeless) halfway through our 2 week trip.
 

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If you still want to do Island Spirit, they do have a low key trip on Sunday that takes you over to Jost for the whole day. Their trip is called Sunday Funday.

It leaves later in the morning and does not island hop. We usually take it when we are in between villas( homeless) halfway through our 2 week trip.

We were thinking of the sail cat experience like on the Island Spirit. I did not see the Sunday Funday when I first looked at their website so we may give that a try. I seem to remember a black catamaran that has been going between STJ and JVD the last couple of years as well. I remember that their office was over by Jake's but don't remember the name of the boat.
 

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I believe your talking about KEKOA.

We've never taken that one but we have seen it many times. It looks cool with the black sail.
 

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Just wanted to report back on Amalie Car Rental. Those folks are awesome.
And yes, totally worth it to have the car for a whole week, even though we didn't use it at all one day. We were in Bay Vista, and quite a ways away, especially for the one person in our group with knee issues. We figured out that if one person got dropped off at the front desk on the way "home," then that person could grab an iguana to meet the rest of this in the parking lot and then go to Bay Vista.
 

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We figured out that if one person got dropped off at the front desk on the way "home," then that person could grab an iguana to meet the rest of this in the parking lot and then go to Bay Vista.

Very smart. Cause iguanas are hit and miss. I really love the Bay Vista phase, but the distance from the parking lot to the villas is definitely a deterrent.
 

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Very smart. Cause iguanas are hit and miss. I really love the Bay Vista phase, but the distance from the parking lot to the villas is definitely a deterrent.

In addition to what you mentioned above, I find that with the distance to/front the parking lot and the lack of plentiful parking spaces at the main resort, it definitely is nicer to be in the hillside villas.
 

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For those who recall the case on St. John where a family who was vacationing at Sirenusa Resort was poisoned after breathing fumes from a pest control company, it looks like the case was finally settled. The government fined Terminix $10 million for using the banned substance. Terminix also agreed to use the civil court system to take care of the family's ongoing medical problems.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/terminix-fined-10-million-pesticide-190250925.html

Sadly for the family, it appears as if their neurological damage may be permanent:

"Six months after the family's exposure, their lawyer told CNN that the brothers were barely able to move and that Stephen Esmond was still suffering from severe tremors and struggling to speak."
 

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St John (National Park) is featured on the April 9th broadcast of ABC's 'Rock The Park'
1st season of 'Rock The Park' is on Netflix...
 

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Hello everyone.
Starting to do some homework on the SOs since we were there in 6/2014. Everything has changed and for the weeks (23-25) that I am looking for our daughters honeymoon, she will only be able to get into a Studio or a 1bdrm VG (which prob wont happen)
Does the "term" Studio Premium Villa mean the VG section since on the Options chart it states : VG - studio premium CV - studio???
Below is what the reservation system has listed at 81,000 so for week 14-2017 (farthest out I can go so far)


THE WESTIN ST. JOHN RESORT & VILLAS
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Studio Premium Villa
Max. Occupancy 4
Details

Thanks,

Lee
 

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Hi Lee - not really following... Are you looking for weeks 23-35 (for a 1Bd or studio) in 2017 to get via SVN?

A Week 14 studio is 81K SO for both VGV and CV (but not sure why that is important...)
 

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Catz. This could indirectly help. Week 23-25 studio is low season in VG. So studio would be 44K. A CV studio would be between 44k and 81K. So if you see a non 44K studio it will be CV .... I do not know the exact number without checking the SO chart.
1BR is only in VG so what you see is what you get.

Hope this helps.


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Hi Lee - not really following... Are you looking for weeks 23-35 (for a 1Bd or studio) in 2017 to get via SVN?

A Week 14 studio is 81K SO for both VGV and CV (but not sure why that is important...)

She will be getting married the first two weeks in Junes '17. We are trying to get the honeymoon set first, if she wants something thru SVN. When we went in 2014 we were in a BV Loft which was 95,700:whoopie: But now that is out of my points range, unless I borrow.

I would prefer to get her a 1 bdrm, but I don't know if that would be possible for VG because its so limited in inventory, but she might have to settle for a studio. But after reading the Master Thread part 2, i dont think she would want a studio in CV because 2nd floor and up does not have a balcony. :rolleyes:

Shes doing a destination wedding in Florida, and I'm not sure that I want to wait until 8 months out to start planning and then maybe not get anything at WSJ.

This is the downside to having taken kids on glorious timeshare trips, they are now room/view snobs. :rofl:

Thanks

Lee
 

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Catz. This could indirectly help. Week 23-25 studio is low season in VG. So studio would be 44K. A CV studio would be between 44k and 81K. So if you see a non 44K studio it will be CV .... I do not know the exact number without checking the SO chart.
1BR is only in VG so what you see is what you get.

Hope this helps.


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Tactics for reservation

Ok, here's my dilemma, situation, quandary etc... I looked in the stickies regarding reservations but only saw the basic timeline structure.

I have a fixed week 9 unit. I plan on confirming my reservation before the 10 month deadline so I will definitely have my time in paradise. However, I would like to try to get a rez around week 21. (A family member is interested in doing the beach to beach swim, Memorial day Sunday. She has done a similar swim in Lake Superior, this would be a tad nicer!! And, I have a friends wedding to attend that would be a tight squeeze around week 9.)

So, if my week 9 is reserved will I have to cancel the week 9 prior to trying to go on at midnight EST to grab the week 21? Any idea how far in advance will I need to cancel the week so the options are available in my account? I plan on trying to get a 9 or 10 day reservation so at least I wouldn't be competing with the Sat to Sat 7 day reservations, that might help, right?:shrug:

I guess what I am asking is will the system let me grab the week(9 - 10 day) I want and cancel the week I have in one transaction? :D

I assume I can't, I remember reading something about Elite members being allowed to do something like that. I am not elite.

All of this is assuming a 2BR available around week 21. I would prefer to stay in my beloved hillside section, but will take whatever happens to be available.

Really counting my chickens before they hatch with the next question. If I get a unit somewhere other than the hill and I rent a car for the duration of my stay, where do we park?

I don't know anyone keeps multiple TS systems straight in their head. Sometimes navigating SVO is enough to make mine spin! :eek:
 

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So, if my week 9 is reserved will I have to cancel the week 9 prior to trying to go on at midnight EST to grab the week 21? Any idea how far in advance will I need to cancel the week so the options are available in my account? I plan on trying to get a 9 or 10 day reservation so at least I wouldn't be competing with the Sat to Sat 7 day reservations, that might help, right?:shrug:

I guess what I am asking is will the system let me grab the week(9 - 10 day) I want and cancel the week I have in one transaction? :D

You'll have to cancel first, and then make the new reservation, if you plan on using the same ownership to make the new booking.

Whatever you release is usually back in your available balance in seconds.

The potential gotcha is that the new reservation you want is no longer available when you go to book it (i.e. someone else took it in the minute you were getting rid of the old one and going back to find the new one).

I assume I can't, I remember reading something about Elite members being allowed to do something like that. I am not elite.

I think the closest is the "Elite Wait-List" feature, where we can hold a reservation (i.e. week 9) and wait for a specific better one to come available (i.e. week 21) and take it instead. They'll contact you to tell you that they are holding the better one for 24hrs and you have to confirm you want it, at which point you need to make sure you have an ownership you can use to book it (i.e. cancel the old one, and confirm the new one). If you don't confirm within 24hrs, they will offer it to the next person on the wait-list, or put it back in inventory.

We just got an additional WKORV week for this summer that way yesterday actually. I think we waited about 2weeks for the wait-list to pop up the unit we wanted (a 1BR), and then dropped off the one we didn't (a studio). In our case, we still had enough SO's left we could have taken both, but cancelling the studio just frees up the SO's for a Christmas booking instead.
 

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You'll have to cancel first, and then make the new reservation, if you plan on using the same ownership to make the new booking.

Whatever you release is usually back in your available balance in seconds.

The potential gotcha is that the new reservation you want is no longer available when you go to book it (i.e. someone else took it in the minute you were getting rid of the old one and going back to find the new one).



I think the closest is the "Elite Wait-List" feature, where we can hold a reservation (i.e. week 9) and wait for a specific better one to come available (i.e. week 21) and take it instead. They'll contact you to tell you that they are holding the better one for 24hrs and you have to confirm you want it, at which point you need to make sure you have an ownership you can use to book it (i.e. cancel the old one, and confirm the new one). If you don't confirm within 24hrs, they will offer it to the next person on the wait-list, or put it back in inventory.

We just got an additional WKORV week for this summer that way yesterday actually. I think we waited about 2weeks for the wait-list to pop up the unit we wanted (a 1BR), and then dropped off the one we didn't (a studio). In our case, we still had enough SO's left we could have taken both, but cancelling the studio just frees up the SO's for a Christmas booking instead.

Thank- you! I can decide when the time rolls around if I want to take the chance!! Hopefully everything doesn't say "low availability".
 
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