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Westin St John [Master Thread] - Part 2 (June 2014 and forward)

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Haha!! We are in 3312, so no worries!!! We absolutely LOVE hillside!!!! We did our owners update today and they totally gathered our appreciation for hillside...so much they offered us a 2br hillside (summer) EOY for around 13k...95700 SO. gosh that was hard to walk away from....if they would have swapped our SVV, hmmm. Anyways, having a blast!

Polly

Run away from that 'deal' - you can buy resale weeks for much less that come with StarOptions since VGV is SVN Mandatory (no StarPoint conversion, but that conversion is really bad for VGV - especially w/ MF = $2400).

We are 'Hill People' as well - I cannot emphasize enough the value of being able to park outside the villa, and be able to drive to northside beaches quickly - or freedom to drive to Coral Bay. btw - drive to Little Lameshur beach...

glad to hear the stinging things are gone - or dissipated enough not to be noticeable. When at Frances beach (Maho Bay) - they were so bad you could feel them between the fingers when swimming around. That really put a damper on our vacation - luckily we could drive to Coral Bay area - but doing that every day was a drag.

enjoy
 

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Haha!! We are in 3312, so no worries!!! We absolutely LOVE hillside!!!! We did our owners update today and they totally gathered our appreciation for hillside...so much they offered us a 2br hillside (summer) EOY for around 13k...95700 SO. gosh that was hard to walk away from....if they would have swapped our SVV, hmmm. Anyways, having a blast!

Polly

We got offered a BV 2BR 176K for just under $40K (all numbers based on my now fuzzy recollection) and they were looking at taking one of our EOY properties in trade which would have dropped our out of pocket to well under half of the price. If we also took and exercised an Explorer, the bonus would have been around 275K SPG points.
 

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restaurants for dinner

Ocean Grill -- very nice, $8 off any one drink for each owner card, Visa/MasterCard/American Express. Also accepts Westin SandDollars.

Waterfront Bistro -- REALLY good food, drink, and view, glass of sparkling wine for each owner card. V/MC/AX/WSD

Zozo's -- REALLY good food and view, but we got eaten by itsy bitsy bugs and the flies are crazy until the sun went down. No owner freebies. V/MC/WSD

Rumblines -- food is quite spicy. No owner freebies. V/MC/WSD.

Da Livio -- avoid. Bad interpretation of Italian food (YMMV?). No owner freebies. V/MC/AX.

Lemongrass -- have done the breakfast buffet twice, dinner twice, and dessert once. We think it's rather nice, the people are very friendly, and the food is surprisingly good...

Will post quickies of the rest in a few days.
 

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upstairs bar at Oceans364 (former Zozo's) in Gallows Point before sunset...
we had dinner up there (instead of downstairs) - wonderful...
 

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Haven't been to Zozo's new location yet. Does it have sunset view? If so, would like to make a reservation.
 

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Haven't been to Zozo's new location yet. Does it have sunset view? If so, would like to make a reservation.

Ate there tonight...
 

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Something funny just for giggles... I emailed Zozo's to make a reservation for the week of Aug 9. I mentioned that we desire a table with sunset view at 7:30 pm since, according to this website, sunset in St John is around 8:20 pm that week. It was a bit later than I seemed to recall but I assumed I just remembered wrong. Zozo's emailed back and said we would have to be at 6:00 pm for a sunset view. I went back to double-check the website and realized the sunset time was for St John, Canada! :doh:
Yes we did get a reservation at 6 pm, presumably for the best seats of sunset view :D
 

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Something funny just for giggles... I emailed Zozo's to make a reservation for the week of Aug 9. I mentioned that we desire a table with sunset view at 7:30 pm since, according to this website, sunset in St John is around 8:20 pm that week. It was a bit later than I seemed to recall but I assumed I just remembered wrong. Zozo's emailed back and said we would have to be at 6:00 pm for a sunset view. I went back to double-check the website and realized the sunset time was for St John, Canada! :doh:
Yes we did get a reservation at 6 pm, presumably for the best seats of sunset view :D

Funny - it gets dark early in USVI.
Go for 1st seating at any of the sunset dinners - Zozo, Asolare, and Oceans364
 

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Run away from that 'deal' - you can buy resale weeks for much less that come with StarOptions since VGV is SVN Mandatory (no StarPoint conversion, but that conversion is really bad for VGV - especially w/ MF = $2400).

We are 'Hill People' as well - I cannot emphasize enough the value of being able to park outside the villa, and be able to drive to northside beaches quickly - or freedom to drive to Coral Bay. btw - drive to Little Lameshur beach...

glad to hear the stinging things are gone - or dissipated enough not to be noticeable. When at Frances beach (Maho Bay) - they were so bad you could feel them between the fingers when swimming around. That really put a damper on our vacation - luckily we could drive to Coral Bay area - but doing that every day was a drag.



enjoy

Thanks David!! I'm may pm you after our trip. It's funny you brought up "mandatory"... I asked that very question and he couldn't tell me if this was voluntary or mandatory. He later asked me where I have learned so much about SVN and I said TUGS! Lol!

We went to salt pond today and skinnylegs (enjoyed a nice raspberry colada) for lunch! Great to see that side of the island!! It was a hike, but saw donkeys and goats and a random cow. Our kids liked that!

We have certainly become "hillside" people on this trip!! Just perfect! Can't beat the convenience!

Which resale sites do yall recommend beginning to look? I will start at Redweek I supposed. Thank you!

Polly
 

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Followup and Thanks!

First - thanks very much to those who responded!

I wanted to follow up with some info to share with others who might read this thread in the future:

1) Maximum guests for a 2 bedroom unit: I think there are 5 or 6 different 2 bedroom unit configurations, each has it's own maximum occupancy: You can look at the layouts here: https://www.starwoodvacationnetwork.com/villa-collection/the-westin-st-john-resort-villas/villas

2) I've been reading about the sea-lice issue on this and other forums (trip advisor, etc). Sounds like it's abating, but should still be on our radar before choosing a destination beach each day.


I'd like to pose a couple more questions:

1) Coffee - we're planning to bring our own ground coffee. What type of coffee filters will we need? (Cone, flat, keurig, etc) Does the resort supply them or are they available at the convenience store?

2) Inexpensive way to get to the Baths? I searched and found some roundtrip excursions for ~$140/each. Is there a less expensive way to get there? I guess chartering a boat might be less expensive since there's a bunch of us?

3) Arrivals in STT - we're getting in around 1:45pm, and hope to catch the 3pm ferry and not have to wait for the 5pm. We'll have some checked luggage. Any chance we'll make it, or should we plan to hangout at the airport, or perhaps consider the public ferry?

4) Is it reasonable to skip renting a car and depend on the open air taxi's to get to/from beaches? Will they come back and pick us up if we arrange a time?

Thanks again for any advice!


We're back from a great vacation at WSJ, and I wanted to followup on a bunch of my questions that ya'll answered, and share some of our experiences:

1) Max occupancy in a 2 bdrm. They put us in building 22, which I think (based on reading posts here) is a rebuilt hotel room. It was definitely smaller than any other 2 bdrm we've ever had at any of the westin villa's. (Maui, Princeville, Orlando, SBP, or Colorado.) The kitchenette wasn't really acceptable as a kitchen - almost no counter space, only a 2 burner stove, etc. We made the best of it, but, it was definitely disappointing. On the positive side, we had a nice view, the balconies were nice,and we were only in the unit a few waking hours per day. We used the grills to cook a few evenings. They were clean, and well maintained, but often had to call services to get them to ignite. It was a nice way to meet other residents as we'd all share the details of beaches and excursions while cooking.

2) Sea lice - stinging plankton: We encountered a few on the very first day - we went to trunk bay, and were snorkeling out by trunk cay, and all of a sudden there were swarms of them. Headed back to the beach, and no more issues the rest of the time. We did see some small jellyfish - I'd guess 1-2 inches across, and one even bounced off me, but I never felt any kind of sting from it. We visited Trunk, Honeymoon, cinnamon and Salomon. All were amazing - white sand, clear blue water, just wonderful.

3) Hiking to Salomon - We hiked to Salomon a couple times from the visitors center. Definitely a nice hike, with a great prize at the end. (a swim at Salomon) Highly recommend it!

4)Coffee - we brought our own Peets ground coffee and used the coffee makers provided. They were drip coffee makers that had a reservoir built in so you could dispense one cup at a time. Was a great way to have an iced coffee later in the day.

5) Going to the Baths: We went on "Bad Kitty". It was a smaller boat than we expected for 26 people, however, the crew was really great, and we had an excellent time. We had a great day, the highlight was snorkeling at "The Indians" - which was some of the best snorkeling we'd ever done anywhere. While I still wish it was a larger catamaran, I'd recommend it to anyone.

6) Arriving in STT - it went quickly - we split up, half went straight to the westin desk to check in, and the other half grabbed our luggage. We easily made the 3pm ferry. I question whether it was worth the $$. 4 adults and 4 kids was $840 roundtrip. I'm guessing a van would have been around $80 from STT to the ferry, $56 ($7 each) for the ferry, and then $40 from the port to the WSJ, each way, so roughly $350 total roundtrip. Is it really worth the extra $500? I'm not sure...

7) Using the taxi's vs renting. We decided to use the taxi's to get around the island. On average we took one rd trip each day, which I'd guess averaged a little over $100 per day. I guess convenience wise, it would have been nice to have a vehicle, however, some of the days we went to the beaches, there weren't any parking spots, and in Cruz bay parking spots looked like they were hard to find, so it would have been frustrating. Not sure I can say either way is better.

8) Restaurants: We went to the FishTrap and Rhumb Lines. Both were good, but not great. At the FishTrap, the service was really great, but the food was just OK. At RhumbLines, the food was good, but service was terrible. We also went to the ice cream place in Mongoose Junction. A little on the expensive side, but very, very good - highly recommended!

9) The market just outside the Westin grounds - we found this to be very convenient - it was a 5 minute walk from our villa, and had pretty much everything we looked for. Definitely made our stay better to have this so close by. (And the staff there was very helpful and friendly)

Thanks again to everyone that answered my questions.
 

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svntug, thanks for the summary of your trip. Really interesting to read...Some comments/questions:

3) Hiking to Salomon: how long did it take to get to Saloman? Did you make it to Honeymoon Beach which has equipment rental?

6) Arriving in STT/Westin Ferry: Not sure if the ferry still offers unlimited trips back to St Thomas. If so and if you plan to go there a couple times during the week, I guess it would be worth it. We stick with a rental car and public ferry to St John.

8) Restaurants: this is where I think having a car would really enhance your dining experience. For example, Zozo's in Caneel Bay, Skinny Legs and Sweet Plantains in Coral Bay, and a few food truck type of places...it's just going to be difficult to get to without a car.
 
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svntug.
always great to get different perspectives (than mine... ;)) - thanks for taking the time to post. sounds like you had a great time.

looks like you were in the middle CV building - i did not like their layout - also did not like studio. but, great location for on-resort. lighting our B33/34 BBQs can be dangerous as well - they take a beating outside.

glad to hear the 'stingthings' dissipated from a month ago. those acrorn jellies do not sting - it was those small tubule jellies w/ specks of pepper - although they can travel together (pushed by wind and current). they really disrupted our trip and we drove across the island 5 of our 13 full days (w/ 2 charter days), but nice over there. i sure hope the mega-marina fails to go through - that would spoil Coral Bay.

we are vehicle people (rent on STT... yada, yada, yada...) - like the freedom too much. Harder w/ 8 people - 4 people in a 4dr Wrangler XL is optimal (IMO). parking in CB can be a pain. the walk from the ferry lot isn't that far, but seems it when it is hot/humid. we didn't spend too much time during busy hours in CB, but if you rent on StJ, then best to use a rental company that allows you to park in their lot.
 
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3) Hiking to Salomon: how long did it take to get to Saloman?

hey Lisa - the walk back-up can be a hassle, especially when sunny. the hike isn't too long (~15 min 1way), but we prefer the hike into Honeymoon from Caneel (flatter) and just buy something on way out. it is about 5 mins around the Park Ranger's house to Salomon from the end of Honeymoon, but we usually snorkel it from Honeymoon.

going to Salomon/Honeymoon when it is calmer (low seas) on northside (since it is exposed) and no Cruise ships (they drop-off at Honeymoon - not fun or safe...).
 

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hey Lisa - the walk back-up can be a hassle, especially when sunny. the hike isn't too long (~15 min 1way), but we prefer the hike into Honeymoon from Caneel (flatter) and just buy something on way out. it is about 5 mins around the Park Ranger's house to Salomon from the end of Honeymoon, but we usually snorkel it from Honeymoon.

going to Salomon/Honeymoon when it is calmer (low seas) on northside (since it is exposed) and no Cruise ships (they drop-off at Honeymoon - not fun or safe...).

Thanks David! We hiked from Caneel Bay to Honeymoon Beach a few times in the past, never tried hiking from the NP headquarter. Now that I've been using a fitbit for a little over a year and walk on average 10K steps daily, 15 min hike is definitely doable so I might check it out :)
 

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svntug, thanks for the summary of your trip. Really interesting to read...Some comments/questions:

3) Hiking to Salomon: how long did it take to get to Saloman? Did you make it to Honeymoon Beach which has equipment rental?

6) Arriving in STT/Westin Ferry: Not sure if the ferry still offers unlimited trips back to St Thomas. If so and if you plan to go there a couple times during the week, I guess it would be worth it. We stick with a rental car and public ferry to St John.

8) Restaurants: this is where I think having a car would really enhance your dining experience. For example, Zozo's in Caneel Bay, Skinny Legs and Sweet Plantains in Coral Bay, and a few food truck type of places...it's just going to be difficult to get to without a car.

The hike to Salomon was about 20-30 minutes. We went on both the upper trail and the lower trail. (The upper trail just takes you to a nice vista of cruz bay.) Each time we hiked it, we stopped at Salomon for an hour or so, and then hiked over to Honeymoon, and then when we were done, we'd walk to the Caneel Bay resort, and take a taxi back to the WSJ.

The WSJ Ferry does offer unlimited trips back to St Thomas. That might make the price of the Westin Ferry worthwhile, however, we didn't take advantage of it.

Car vs taxi's. Yea, you're right, having the freedom to go back and forth to beaches, town, and restaurants would definitely tip the scale, perhaps next time we'll go that route.

One other "nit" that I had wanted to share about the WSJ (at least in the lower buildings where we were), was the gas powered iguana shuttles. They started at 6AM, and we'd hear them all day/night long. Perhaps the WSJ should consider replacing them with quieter battery powered golf carts - maybe Tesla will make golf cart batteries in the future? :)
 

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One other "nit" that I had wanted to share about the WSJ (at least in the lower buildings where we were), was the gas powered iguana shuttles. They started at 6AM, and we'd hear them all day/night long. Perhaps the WSJ should consider replacing them with quieter battery powered golf carts - maybe Tesla will make golf cart batteries in the future? :)

That is a problem with the CV location as it is next to a main path and therefore not only shuttles, but other carts as well (maintenance, housekeeper, engineering, sales...). Plus, how the CV villas are set-up (facing those cart paths) and their construction that may not be so solid as to dampen the noise.

Did you get this noise with the windows/doors closed?
 

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The WSJ Ferry does offer unlimited trips back to St Thomas. That might make the price of the Westin Ferry worthwhile, however, we didn't take advantage of it.

FYI, it's not unlimited trips but unlimited "shopping" trips, as we found out when we showed up to take the 7am ferry for an all-day fishing trip on St. Thomas. While the staff wasn't exactly unpleasant, after the third time being asked if we were going SHOPPING, we learned to answer "Yes."

As I've said before, if it was just couples traveling to St. John for the first time, I'd still opt to take the Westin ferry the first time we went. Why? Aside from the wow factor, which cannot be underestimated if you're a couple going on a romantic vacation, the Westin ferry takes all the stress away. Once you learn your way around the island, and perfect the art of driving on the left, then I think your options come down to personal preference and budget.

That being said, I do have three gripes about the Westin ferry:
  1. The price. $25 for children and $75 per adult seems more than fair to me. $125pp seems way too high, especially with a family, and especially since there are other viable options for a fraction of the price.
  2. The 2nd time we went, they'd replaced the Westin Breeze with some rust bucket of a ferry, which definitely detracted from the white glove service they were charging for.
  3. Inconvenient ferry schedule on departure day. The ferries leave at 6am, 7am, 9am, 11am and 1:45pm. Since many flights to the mainland leave in the early afternoon, having two 2-hour gaps during crunch time is very inconvenient. This means that if you have a 1 or 2pm flight home, you have to take the 9am shuttle because 11am is too tight. With check-out being 10am, wouldn't it make so much more sense to have 10:30am and 11:30am ferries? It's possible that they can't get dock space at Red Hook during those times, and it's possible that they want people to leave on the 9am so that the cleaning staff has more time to clean the villas, but the inconvenient times really detract from otherwise stellar service.
If I was traveling with a family of 4, and budget was an issue, then I'd probably opt to take taxis and the public ferry the first time so that we could get acclimated to the island before having to navigate it on our own. Once you've been there and can see how things are laid out, it's not very intimidating. But the first time? Not ideal, but it is doable. The downside is that you'll be paying a premium for that rental car.

One nice advantage of taking a ferry vs renting a car on St. Thomas is that you can cut out some unnecessary rental costs. You can either do one-day rentals (book them ahead of time so that they're not sold out) for the days you plan on traveling to Coral Bay or Salt Pond, and take taxis the rest of the time, or at least cut out arrival day, if not departure day.

For instance, with a Sat/Sat check-in, we'd book the rental car from noon on Sunday to noon on Friday and plan a "resort day" on Friday. Or we might even return the car on Thursday, and put that $170 car rental savings toward an all-day private charter on Thursday instead.
 
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RE: Shuttle Noise

That is a problem with the CV location as it is next to a main path and therefore not only shuttles, but other carts as well (maintenance, housekeeper, engineering, sales...). Plus, how the CV villas are set-up (facing those cart paths) and their construction that may not be so solid as to dampen the noise.

Did you get this noise with the windows/doors closed?


We were mostly bothered by the golf cart noise while we were out on the balconies, which for us, was quite often. We had a lot of people in our villa, the balconies added a bit of shared living space. Additionally, while walking from the villa to the pool, beach, or lobby, it felt like there was always some kind of golf cart zipping by.
 

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So what's the latest you can arrive at STT to get over to StJohn?
 

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So what's the latest you can arrive at STT to get over to StJohn?

passenger ferry (from vinow.com) - leaves RedHook at midnight
on tarmac - 15 minutes
shots of flavored rum - 2 min
bags - 15 minutes
taxi - 45 mins

so... 10:43pm
 
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