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Westin St John [Master Thread] - Part 2 (June 2014 and forward)

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This story made the national news on TV this morning.
 

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This story made the national news on TV this morning.

Good - visibility will make it easier to get something done about this, and potential to prevent future instances. Otherwise…
There is an upside of having at least the protection of the Westin Brand. (IMO)

This happened weeks ago (~Mar20). I follow various StJ FaceBook pages - best source of island info.
 
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on a happier note…

StJ Beach Bar Owners (new) on Caribbean Life (HGTV) last night.
http://newsofstjohn.com/2015/04/06/beach-bar-owners-featured-on-hgtv/

They only show The Beach Bar at the end - but 3 nice properties.
Locals are saying that there was a Terminex commercial during the showing - irony, purposeful?
(we TiVo all shows so we skip commercials)
 

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on a happier note…

StJ Beach Bar Owners (new) on Caribbean Life (HGTV) last night.
http://newsofstjohn.com/2015/04/06/beach-bar-owners-featured-on-hgtv/

They only show The Beach Bar at the end - but 3 nice properties.
Locals are saying that there was a Terminex commercial during the showing - irony, purposeful?
(we TiVo all shows so we skip commercials)

Caught this episode last night. I always wonder when I see these shows how all these people have $1M+ to be buying beautiful Caribbean houses while quitting their jobs!
 
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how long to WSJ?

From arrival at the STT airport, how long does it typically take to get to WSJ using the Westin ferry service, etc?

We're booking our last inbound flight and trying to figure out our options.

We arrive in SJU just after 2PM, and could theoretically try to catch a just before 4PM flight to STT that same day (not sure if 90mins is a safe enough amount of time to get our bags from United and go check in with Seaborne, as I don't think they have an interline agreement, assuming we arrive on time of course) arriving in STT around 4:30PM.

Is that "late" for heading to WSJ? if so, we could stay the night on STT and continue onwards the next day.

Or we could stay the night in SJU, recover a bit on the overnight flights, and come across at lunchtime the next day on Seaborne, or late afternoon on JetBlue.

I've got a single day booked in SJU and one at WSJ (nothing at STT yet, suggestions?) to cover the various options.
 

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From arrival at the STT airport, how long does it typically take to get to WSJ using the Westin ferry service, etc?

We're booking our last inbound flight and trying to figure out our options.

We arrive in SJU just after 2PM, and could theoretically try to catch a just before 4PM flight to STT that same day (not sure if 90mins is a safe enough amount of time to get our bags from United and go check in with Seaborne, as I don't think they have an interline agreement, assuming we arrive on time of course) arriving in STT around 4:30PM.

Is that "late" for heading to WSJ? if so, we could stay the night on STT and continue onwards the next day.

Or we could stay the night in SJU, recover a bit on the overnight flights, and come across at lunchtime the next day on Seaborne, or late afternoon on JetBlue.

I've got a single day booked in SJU and one at WSJ (nothing at STT yet, suggestions?) to cover the various options.

There is a 5:30 and 7:30 Westin Ferry ... plus they will arrange later if required
 

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Or… you can take the Public Ferry and Taxis from STT to WSJ. Public ferry from StT to StJ runs until midnite.

Easy…
Take Taxi from STT to RedHook Ferry Terminal (~30-40min)
Ferry to Cruz Bay StJ (~20 mins) - they leave every 60mins (good restaurant/bar right next to RH Ferry Terminal)
Taxi from CB Ferry dock to WSJ (~5-10 min)

Cost is per person, and each piece of large luggage. See VINOW.com for Ferry and Taxi info, but much cheaper than WSJ Ferry - plus at this time the WSJ ferry goes close to RedHook anyway - so you are not saving time going to Crown Bay (~5-10min from STT) as normal.

http://www.vinow.com/general_usvi/interisland_ferry/#st-john-passenger-ferry-red-hook-to-cruz-bay
http://www.vinow.com/stthomas/getting_around_stt/taxi_stt/
http://www.vinow.com/stjohn/getting_around_stj/taxi.php

btw - if you can get to Charlotte Amalie ferry doc (~10min from STT) - there is a ferry that leaves at 5:30pm for StJ
45min ferry ride, but beautiful - call ahead and see if running


Then if you want to use WSJ ferry for WSJ-STT trip, get 1-way ticket.
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Thanks, looks like I'm waiting another 30 days to book that last flight.

Still have two wait lists in play to fiddle with our arrival date/length of stay at WSJ. I thought they expired at 90 days out, was told today when I inquired that they will keep checking to 60 days out, so no point in locking in our arrival in the USVI until I know for sure our WSJ booking dates.
 

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First time posting here, but I've been to the WSJ once last year and going again this year. So far I've gone using Starwood points both times. Last year I booked a studio (thought it was Coral Vista) but they put us in a hillside village studio all the way at the top. Beautiful view and we liked it, but didn't spend much time down below but rather at beaches around the island and on excursions.

Just booked again, looks like Coral Vista (says 481 square feet studio villa, but not a name) so I can't tell where we're staying or where we might be upgraded or moved to. The system here just doesn't intuitively make sense I guess. Even reading all of this thread I can't figure out what happens when or why.

FWIW, I'm a 100 night platinum and I did ask my ambassador to help, which seemed to have resulted in a booking update today that doesn't seem to have changed anything. How can I tell where I'll be staying? Or is not knowing just part of the charm?

The real reason I ask is that I'm kind of in love with the island, and actually considering ownership, but I can't figure out where I should be looking to buy to maximize value. Do I do the tours and get the pitches there? Buy on a secondary market site? Something else? This year we go the last week of April, last year it was end of June if I recall correctly.

Thanks for any help in advance!!!
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Hey James - Welcome to TUG.
Do you mean you used SVO StarOptions (sometimes called points) via SVN, or SPG points via Starwood for your reservation?
I will assume SPG points.
It couldn't be CV last year at that time - it hadn't been built.
We go every June (wk23-24).

CV is likely still being built with other villas being occupied - so they are likely trying to be flexible. You know how STJ goes ('adapt'). If this is SPG reservation - at that time of year - you should get your pick (IF) CV Owners are not occupying them already (you will not get ahead of them). E.g. If there are 10 CV Studios and 10 CV Owners Using them as a HomeResort reservation - you are not going to get a CV studio because they cannot put them in VGV.

Buying? Too many factors to consider in giving reasonable advice... depends?
They will be more than happy to sell you something - you will get an offer while you are there.
My advice... Research. Buying from SVO is quite expensive.
 
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First time posting here, but I've been to the WSJ once last year and going again this year. So far I've gone using Starwood points both times. Last year I booked a studio (thought it was Coral Vista) but they put us in a hillside village studio all the way at the top. Beautiful view and we liked it, but didn't spend much time down below but rather at beaches around the island and on excursions.

Just booked again, looks like Coral Vista (says 481 square feet studio villa, but not a name) so I can't tell where we're staying or where we might be upgraded or moved to. The system here just doesn't intuitively make sense I guess. Even reading all of this thread I can't figure out what happens when or why.

FWIW, I'm a 100 night platinum and I did ask my ambassador to help, which seemed to have resulted in a booking update today that doesn't seem to have changed anything. How can I tell where I'll be staying? Or is not knowing just part of the charm?

The real reason I ask is that I'm kind of in love with the island, and actually considering ownership, but I can't figure out where I should be looking to buy to maximize value. Do I do the tours and get the pitches there? Buy on a secondary market site? Something else? This year we go the last week of April, last year it was end of June if I recall correctly.

Thanks for any help in advance!!!
James

Be aware that the three SVO sections are different and have their benefits and quirks. For example, touring CV, we were impressed with the fit and finish of the units, and like that they're so close to the water; however, they have the highest MF, smaller footprints, and very small (and really efficiency) kitchens. My wife and I liked them but agreed that it wasn't worth giving up the space and some of the kitchen amenities as compared to BV. Likewise, there are going to be differences between BV and Hillside.

Also, each section has different types of views. Hillside views are incredibly
expansive. In BV we've had both good and semi-blocked views. I imagine hat views in CV will be more limited given their lower placement.

One final thing to consider is if you plan to use the resort. We have little kids and for the next decade or so need to be within walking distance of the large pool. We also like walking down to grab things from the store, coffee, etc. we knew we couldn't do that from hillside (easily!).

If you don't care about views and want an amazing unit, check out the Pool Villas!
 

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The Pool villas are sweet - wish i knew 4 others committed to join us, but too far for most west-coasters. This is why we bought the 2nd week in our villa - 2 weeks is much more valuable than 1 week in many ways.

It is only 25 steps from our villa's kitchen to the pool/BBQ between B33-34. It may be a small pool (with incredible views, and sometimes explosive BBQs ;)) - but much less activity.
 

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The Pool villas are sweet - wish i knew 4 others committed to join us, but too far for most west-coasters. This is why we bought the 2nd week in our villa - 2 weeks is much more valuable than 1 week in many ways.

It is only 25 steps from our villa's kitchen to the pool/BBQ between B33-34. It may be a small pool (with incredible views, and sometimes explosive BBQs ;)) - but much less activity.

I see two big advantages to Hillside as the privacy with resort amenities fairly close and that its mandatory. The latter was an initial driver until we visited and realized that the proximity BV has was best for our kids - and with one on the way in 4 weeks, we have a bit to go in that department!!
 

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I see two big advantages to Hillside as the privacy with resort amenities fairly close and that its mandatory. The latter was an initial driver until we visited and realized that the proximity BV has was best for our kids - and with one on the way in 4 weeks, we have a bit to go in that department!!

So now I know why you can't go this summer...:) Congrats on the pending addition to your family!
 

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So now I know why you can't go this summer...:) Congrats on the pending addition to your family!

Well, I'd still go ;)

Seriously though, between taking such a young infant and a family wedding in San Diego in August it's not in the cards. Can't wait until next summer (is that madness?!). I'm hoping to get my girls snorkeling next year.
 

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FYI, if you buy on the resale market, only the Virgin Grand (Hillside) villas come with StarOptions. If you want to exchange throughout the network, you have to target VG or buy from the developer.

I've stayed in both the VG (but not a pool villa) and BV phases, and personally, prefer the BV phase. The thing I love most about Starwood timeshares (as opposed to renting a private home or villa) is that they combine the great features of a condo community with the amenities of a hotel resort. IOW, the villas provide a lot of space to hang out so that you can bring friends/family and not feel like you're on top of each other, plus a working kitchen, poolside grills, washer/dryer.... along with the resort features such as tennis courts, a gorgeous pool, hot tub, on-site restaurants, and poolside/room service.

Simply put, when we stayed in the VG phase, we felt too removed from the main resort. We ended up hiking down (and back up) to the main resort most days, sometimes several times a day. The iguanas (expanded golf carts) that drive around and offer complimentary rides dried up significantly by the end of the week. So while that didn't spoil the trip by any means, it made it less special.

The biggest downside of the BV phase is that it's up a steep hill and there is no close parking. That is a real hassle when you're hauling snorkeling gear and groceries every day.

The CV phase is intriguing, but as czar indicated, higher MFs and smaller space wouldn't sit well with me.

If I were to buy, I'd probably target BV resale only if I planned to go every single year. The lack of SOs is a real downer. Second choice would be VG resale, even though it meant remoteness from the main campus, just because the price differential is so great.

Or, I might buy another resort with SOs and take my chances exchanging in. With the CV phase built, inventory might be there for the taking for those who plan ahead.
The other thing to consider is convenience.
 

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FYI, if you buy on the resale market, only the Virgin Grand (Hillside) villas come with StarOptions...If I were to buy, I'd probably target BV resale only if I planned to go every single year. The lack of SOs is a real downer. Second choice would be VG resale, even though it meant remoteness from the main campus, just because the price differential is so great.

Or, I might buy another resort with SOs and take my chances exchanging in. With the CV phase built, inventory might be there for the taking for those who plan ahead.
The other thing to consider is convenience.

This was exactly my conundrum, and exactly two summers later I unexpectedly can't visit StJ because of a family wedding. If you own summer season you need to be prepared to have a tough time renting your week; I think winter owners have much better luck and stand to make money in excess of MF. This is why I decided to structure a developer purchase. I paid almost twice as much as I would have on the resale market but BV was the best fit for us and I wanted SO flexibility. Now that resale prices have (likely) dropped a little more, not sure I would do the same, but I'm glad I did it based on the time I purchased. The flip side to consider is that summer weeks are likely easily rentable and not at a premium, so assuming you can find the dates you want to rent you're likely to pay within a reasonable range of what you'd pay for MF (in summer - and likely less in fall). Just a note that CV will certainly add more units and flexibility but also more confusion as the MF structure is more complicated since it's based on Home Options so MF adjust with season.
 

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Hey James - Welcome to TUG.
Do you mean you used SVO StarOptions (sometimes called points) via SVN, or SPG points via Starwood for your reservation?
I will assume SPG points.
It couldn't be CV last year at that time - it hadn't been built.
We go every June (wk23-24).

CV is likely still being built with other villas being occupied - so they are likely trying to be flexible. You know how STJ goes ('adapt'). If this is SPG reservation - at that time of year - you should get your pick (IF) CV Owners are not occupying them already (you will not get ahead of them). E.g. If there are 10 CV Studios and 10 CV Owners Using them as a HomeResort reservation - you are not going to get a CV studio because they cannot put them in VGV.

Buying? Too many factors to consider in giving reasonable advice... depends?
They will be more than happy to sell you something - you will get an offer while you are there.
My advice... Research. Buying from SVO is quite expensive.

I meant SPG points, and just for the vacation this time. We're still trying to decide if we should buy or not, but we REALLY loved St. John and the Westin area. Renting a jeep there let us explore the whole island.

What I hadn't figured out is how to specify where we wanted to stay (or if there is even a choice). Last time we checked in at the airport and ended up in the hillside studios, bottom floor, all the way at the top but two or three doors down from the community pool. No idea what other options really exist as the websites seem very un-intuitive. Where should I be looking to understand what's available for vacation or to buy? And should I spend time with sales folks there while we are on the island? Or is there a better way to see what's available?

I saw that there are villas with private pools - very cool. I don't mind the shared pool on the hillside even if it is small or the large pool at the hotel. Both are great. But when thinking about a week or two buying I want a great deal and a great location - of course who doesn't? I tend to come when I have sufficient Delta points, and I travel so much that I could manage twice a year, but likely not more than a week at a time. I also (with my wife) accumulate enough points through SPG to stay essentially at no cost once or twice a year. So maybe no need to buy?

Thanks all!
 

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Not sure if you can request VGV or CV studios. As you have SPG status and using SPs - just request. Are you looking for a CV or VGV studio for this SP stay? I'm would imagine that a VGV studio would have more availability. The CV studios are les in numbers. The VGV studios are all the lower center villas in B32-34. Many are empty during our weeks (mid-June). CV has just been opened, and likely still in construction. Like BV, they occupied buildings as they were building others.

An issue with VGV is that they are fixed villas, and fixed week (incl check-in day). So lacks flexibility. The Plat season had a huge increase in SOs over the last few year - so makes SVN usage a little easier and get reasonable value.

A big upside to VGV is the ability to park outside of villa. We rarely get down to Main Resort during our 2-weeks, but spend tons of time at our building's pool. We also rent our 4WD on STT and take car barge.

You haven't said what size villa you would consider buying - or what season - those are key decisions before anything. If you want flexibility, then VGV won't work. BV only has 2Bd and 3Bd villas. For us - the pool is too far from BV - I love being able to go for quick dip. Or getting back quickly to grab cocktails and munchies, etc. BV offers float within a season.

CV is going to have to be bought from SVO - that is a very costly purchase. Good flexibility and closer to pool. Also have studios, 2Bd and 3Bd, but no 1Bd.

The 1Bd are only at VGV - those are the upstairs center villas in B31-34.
We have a 2Bd TH that are at ends of B31-34 up and down. There are some 2Bd single floor plans in B31 (stay away from these - the MFs are same as pool villas!)

Then there are the 3Bd pool villas... best villas in SVO next to WKORV OFD and OFC. IMO
 

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When I went to book 2 Villa's for January, got lucky and 2 popped up, there was a difference in square footage. I checked out the Westin site and it appeared the CV units were in the 450 sq ft area and the VG units were in the 550-650 sq ft. The agent on the Plat desk also told me he thought this was the case. I will confirm, as I need the CV to have our units closer to our 3Bedroom Bay Vista. So take it for what it is worth, but that is one difference I saw when choosing, using StarPoints.

I have no idea how to tell when booking with Options -- it will say Bay Vista, but then other times say Villa and not sure what you get when not booking your home resort. For me, with kids I need/want BV or CV
 

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I meant SPG points, and just for the vacation this time. We're still trying to decide if we should buy or not, but we REALLY loved St. John and the Westin area. Renting a jeep there let us explore the whole island.

Owning at WSJ can work out very well for folks who plan ahead, not just months ahead, but years ahead. As David said, the first phase of the resort (Virgin Grand aka Hillside), which is probably the only phase where you're going to find a "deal" (on the resale market), only sold fixed weeks/fixed units.

Now, VG does come with StarOptions if you buy on the resale market, so that gives you the option of exchanging back in. However, if you buy gold or silver season, you won't have enough SOs to exchange into a higher season, so you should target a platinum week...which will cost more. Also, if you book outside of the 8-12 month home resort priority period, you'll be treated as any other exchanger. You'll be placed in any phase where there's availability...IF there's availability.

If you happen to find a deal at the BV phase, which would probably work better for you because these units were sold as floating weeks, resale purchases do NOT come with SOs. So you cannot use SVN to exchange back in, or to another Starwood resort, which is a serious drawback. You can book at your home resort any time that there's availability, even outside of the 8-12 month window, but you'll be restricted to the season you bought and the size unit you bought.

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What I hadn't figured out is how to specify where we wanted to stay (or if there is even a choice). Last time we checked in at the airport and ended up in the hillside studios, bottom floor, all the way at the top but two or three doors down from the community pool.

If you exchange in via SVN or book with Starwood, you won't have a choice. They tell you right on your confirmation that villas/phases are assigned at check-in. There's no way of knowing ahead of time what phase you'll be put in.

The only way to know in advance what unit you'll be assigned is to either buy or rent (from an owner) a fixed week/fixed unit. If you buy or rent from a BV/CV floating week owner, you'll know what phase you'll be in, but not what unit. If you use SOs, it says right on the confirmation that they cannot guarantee phase, and they have, in fact, switched units on owners who were expecting one phase because of the description when they booked. (Two years ago, I was switched from a regular 2 bdrm at VG to a 2 bdrm loft at BV.)

No idea what other options really exist as the websites seem very un-intuitive. Where should I be looking to understand what's available for vacation or to buy? And should I spend time with sales folks there while we are on the island? Or is there a better way to see what's available?

You can certainly chat with the sales staff, but keep in mind that they are salesman. They will try to convince you that their system will work great for you, even if it won't. Just realize ahead of time that WSJ is a very in-demand resort and booking is always subject to availability. If you can't book by 8 months out in low season, or 12 months out in high season, I wouldn't own there.

I saw that there are villas with private pools - very cool. I don't mind the shared pool on the hillside even if it is small or the large pool at the hotel. Both are great. But when thinking about a week or two buying I want a great deal and a great location - of course who doesn't? I tend to come when I have sufficient Delta points, and I travel so much that I could manage twice a year, but likely not more than a week at a time. I also (with my wife) accumulate enough points through SPG to stay essentially at no cost once or twice a year. So maybe no need to buy?

Given your circumstances and travel style, I'd say that booking with SPG is probably still the best fit for you. Or you should target a mandatory resort and exchange in, knowing that it'll be a crap shoot where you're placed.
 

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If you exchange in via SVN or book with Starwood, you won't have a choice. They tell you right on your confirmation that villas/phases are assigned at check-in. There's no way of knowing ahead of time what phase you'll be put in.

If you book through SVN you are not supposed to be placed in a unit that had a lower SO redemption rate (there are differences for same sized units in different phases during certain weeks) or in a unit that sleeps less than what you booked (if you booked a 2BR sleeps 10 unit, you are not supposed to be put in a 2BR sleeps 8 unit).

Depending what you book, there may be only one phase that matches.

But of course, you could get "upgraded" to a unit that costs more or sleeps more, throwing everything up in the air.
 

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If you book through SVN you are not supposed to be placed in a unit that had a lower SO redemption rate (there are differences for same sized units in different phases during certain weeks) or in a unit that sleeps less than what you booked (if you booked a 2BR sleeps 10 unit, you are not supposed to be put in a 2BR sleeps 8 unit).

Depending what you book, there may be only one phase that matches.

But of course, you could get "upgraded" to a unit that costs more or sleeps more, throwing everything up in the air.

Exactly. I got upgraded to a 2 bdrm loft in BV after being confirmed in a 2 bdrm sleeping 6 (presumably in the VG phase because of the square footage). Had I had my heart set on the VG phase, I'd have been disappointed.

Honestly, though I prefer the BV phase, I'd be happy no matter where I was placed.
 
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Super helpful, thanks everyone. I now have a much better understanding of the situation and how the resort places SPG folks. I enjoyed being all the way at the top last time with great views, but we didn't use the pool much. So, no matter where we end up it will still be St. John!

Interestingly I also got a private message from a person selling a villa. Didn't expect that. Scam? I saw that her advertisement posts were deleted. But, that week wouldn't work for me ever anyway, so not going to pursue it. Nicely priced though...
 
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