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[davidbutleruk]

I have some questions regarding joining wyndham through the resale market and i hope you guys can help

we holiday 8 weeks a year in kids holidays so need to know how many points would i need for a 2-3 bedroom in a high quality resort i though maybe 1000000????

Do i need to pick a popular resort as my home resort to ensure i can book the resort before it sells out?

Is it hard to pick popular resorts at peak time? and if so when am i given the chance to book these resorts 6months, 10months etc. Are owners who purchased through wyndham direct given priority therefore take all the best resorts???

Because i live in Europe is it possible to use RCI with my points that i have brought on the resale market??.

Your help is greatly appreciated

 

[Passepartout]

First, I don't own Wyndham, so only know what I have picked up on TUG. I know that the annual fees are based on your home resort, and that one has some priority in booking at the home resort (2 months iirc). And I know that European TSs are not generally up to the quality of U.S. TSs.

If I were you, rather than putting all your resources into timeshare vacations, start small. Rent a few times. Then perhaps buy (resale, of course) a usable size bundle of points at a resort you would like to use half of more of the time. You can always buy more, but they aren't nearly as easy to sell it you find you have too many and your situation changes.

Good Luck with your research.

Jim

 

[Braindead]

I have some questions regarding joining wyndham through the resale market and i hope you guys can help

we holiday 8 weeks a year in kids holidays so need to know how many points would i need for a 2-3 bedroom in a high quality resort i though maybe 1000000????

Do i need to pick a popular resort as my home resort to ensure i can book the resort before it sells out?

Is it hard to pick popular resorts at peak time? and if so when am i given the chance to book these resorts 6months, 10months etc. Are owners who purchased through wyndham direct given priority therefore take all the best resorts???

Because i live in Europe is it possible to use RCI with my points that i have brought on the resale market??.

Your help is greatly appreciated

Do you vacation here in the states for all 8 weeks ? Or how many weeks here ?
Do you go to the same places every year here ? Where ? That will help to know if your home resort matters ?
1,000,000 points will not get you 8 weeks in a 2-3 bedroom at newer resorts. 1,000,000 points is a lot of points and I wouldn’t recommend buying more than that to get started even if you need more.
You can make reservations at 10-13 months at your home resort with resale points or points bought from Wyndham. They are basically treated the same for reservations from 60 days to 13 months.
You will get a free RCI weeks membership through Wyndham. You can use your points to exchange in RCI but it’s best if you can use them at Wyndham resorts. There are fees to exchange in RCI

 

[davidbutleruk]

We probably holiday in the U.S for 6 weeks a year Around florida and soon around california.

How much would a week stay normally cost in points at a high quality high/prime season resort do you think, Average??

Is there also different types of timeshare at wyndham? is there a lease that runs out after so many years?

Also is the wyndham timeshare model better or worse than Hilton or marriot??

What i dont understand is why would some one sell there time share on ebay for 300-500 dollars. why wouldnt you just keep it and give the holidays to friends and familly. Is it just the maintenance cost you have to pay after you have brought the timeshare??

What im trying to figure out is HOLIDAYING through timeshare more cost effective than just staying in hotels through hotels.com, expedia etc. Im thinking it is with the money people are asking for on ebay..am i right??

Thanks for your help seems like its a bit of a mine field

 

[Arimaas]

We probably holiday in the U.S for 6 weeks a year Around florida and soon around california.

How much would a week stay normally cost in points at a high quality high/prime season resort do you think, Average??

Is there also different types of timeshare at wyndham? is there a lease that runs out after so many years?

Also is the wyndham timeshare model better or worse than Hilton or marriot??

What i dont understand is why would some one sell there time share on ebay for 300-500 dollars. why wouldnt you just keep it and give the holidays to friends and familly. Is it just the maintenance cost you have to pay after you have brought the timeshare??

What im trying to figure out is HOLIDAYING through timeshare more cost effective than just staying in hotels through hotels.com, expedia etc. Im thinking it is with the money people are asking for on ebay..am i right??

Thanks for your help seems like its a bit of a mine field

I'm a Hilton owner, not Wyndham. I too am looking into Wyndham because I live in New York, and Wyndham has closer resorts to me.

That being said, Hilton is wonderful for California and Florida. With all my research, I find Hilton a lot more user friendly (they also have resorts in the U.K., with a big one in Scotland that sells resale units direct).

I like timeshares for a few reasons. The major is, the quality of resorts, the space of the units (much bigger than any hotel) and the amenities (most have full kitchen, wash/dryer, etc). As for money, I look at what a week in a one bedroom timeshare resort will cost me on Hilton.com. It's about $1600. My annual maintnance and club dues and booking fees cost me about $1050 (let's say $1100 to make my math easy).

I paid about $4000 for my Hilton unit with closing costs, so it will take me about 8 years of vacations to break even (I save $500 each year by owning versus renting direct). I plan on owning and using my unit much more than for eight years.

I like timeshares. Gives me a place I'm comfortable with going to every year. That being said, they aren't everywhere and I may be missing out on some great places by sticking to timeshares. Either way, do a lot of research before jumping in. TUG is great for that.

 

[Braindead]

We probably holiday in the U.S for 6 weeks a year Around florida and soon around california.

How much would a week stay normally cost in points at a high quality high/prime season resort do you think, Average??

Is there also different types of timeshare at wyndham? is there a lease that runs out after so many years?

Also is the wyndham timeshare model better or worse than Hilton or marriot??

What i dont understand is why would some one sell there time share on ebay for 300-500 dollars. why wouldnt you just keep it and give the holidays to friends and familly. Is it just the maintenance cost you have to pay after you have brought the timeshare??

What im trying to figure out is HOLIDAYING through timeshare more cost effective than just staying in hotels through hotels.com, expedia etc. Im thinking it is with the money people are asking for on ebay..am i right??

Thanks for your help seems like its a bit of a mine field

A couple of examples on points needed for a week
Bonnet Creek close to Disney in Florida
Christmas or spring break in March
2 bedroom deluxe is 224,000
3 bedroom deluxe is 308,000

Oceanside California
2 bedroom deluxe is from 238,000-324,000 depending on view
3 bedroom is only available in Presidential suites for 400,000-475,000 depending on view

 

[davidbutleruk]

Thanks for the info

Arimaas, So you only go once a year for 1 week?? Do you have to pick the same unit every year or can you choose others like wyndham??

So if i brought a chunk of points let say 1000000 what is the average maintenance cost per year? As i understand it i could pick a cheaper resort as my home resort therefore my annual cost would be cheaper?? is this right?? If i buy off ebay and the resort is somewhere else can i change the home resort after i have brought??? Is it better to buy in lets say Bonnet Creek if i want to use this resort every year on one of my visits or would i be paying to much of a premium in maintenance cost to be here??

Again thanks for your help guys

 

[Braindead]

Thanks for the info

Arimaas, So you only go once a year for 1 week?? Do you have to pick the same unit every year or can you choose others like wyndham??

So if i brought a chunk of points let say 1000000 what is the average maintenance cost per year? As i understand it i could pick a cheaper resort as my home resort therefore my annual cost would be cheaper?? is this right?? If i buy off ebay and the resort is somewhere else can i change the home resort after i have brought??? Is it better to buy in lets say Bonnet Creek if i want to use this resort every year on one of my visits or would i be paying to much of a premium in maintenance cost to be here??

Again thanks for your help guys

On a million points.
Maintenance fees for Club Wyndham Access or Bonnet Creek will be a little over $6,000.00.
Oceanside Pier will be about $1,000.00 less and you probably need to own there if you plan on going in the summer

 

[Arimaas]

Arimaas, So you only go once a year for 1 week?? Do you have to pick the same unit every year or can you choose others like wyndham??

Hi David,

I usually only go to Hilton once a year, but I vacation other places as well (us Americans don't get nearly as generous vacation time as Europe), but this is why I am looking to pick up a Wyndham unit as well. I want something more local to me in New York, and Wyndham has several properties in the Poconos and New England that are a couple of hours from me.

As far as Hilton is concerned, I find the program a lot easier to manage that what I have gathered from Wyndham. The downside, as I said in my previous post, is there aren't nearly as many resorts as in the Wyndham network. But if you're looking for California and Florida, Hilton may be enough. The Hilton program was one of the original timeshare programs to use points. So, similar to Wyndham, you have a home resort (and it makes sense to buy where the maintenance fees are cheapest). The home resort allows you priority booking into that resort (if you plan on going to a high demand resort during high season such as Hawaii, this is important). I own in Las Vegas, but will probably very rarely visit my home resort. The reason I own there is because of the low annual fees (check out this blog entry from a reputable re seller...http://www.sellingtimeshares.net/hgvc-property-cheapest-maintenance-fees-per-point/). I own a 2-BR "Gold" unit which gives me 5,000 points a year. My family is my wife and daughter, so we generally only need a 1-BR. Hilton only has 3 seasons throughout their system, silver, gold and platinum. In general, regular rooms (i.e. not the penthouse, not oceanfront, etc.) are all the same points throughout. Since I need a 1-BR, I only really know the 1-BR values, 2400, 3400 and 4800 respectively for a full week in those seasons. Since I own a 2-BR gold which is worth 5,000 points, I can use it to book a 1-BR room anywhere in the system (again, just the "standard" rooms) at anytime. In the Hilton system, points are points. However, every time I make a "club" reservation, that is a reservation that is not the room I own (2-BR) in my home club (in Vegas) for a standard week (check in day Saturday I think), during gold season, I am charged a $65 club reservation fee. I assume Wyndham has something similar. What else I like about Hilton is that existing clubs can't inflate their points. The points required for a specific unit in existing resorts will (from what I understand) always remain the same. That being said, there is a new resort being built in Japan, and I would be interested in seeing how many points are required for reservations.

Take a read of all the Hilton info on TUG. Post on the message board. The folks there are great. Honestly, I really like the Hilton club. I just wish there was stuff closer to me, which is why I am considering Wyndham (but I probably won't buy into Wyndham for another few years).

Ari

 

[ecwinch]

In the Hilton system, points are points. However, every time I make a "club" reservation, that is a reservation that is not the room I own (2-BR) in my home club (in Vegas) for a standard week (check in day Saturday I think), during gold season, I am charged a $65 club reservation fee. I assume Wyndham has something similar. What else I like about Hilton is that existing clubs can't inflate their points. The points required for a specific unit in existing resorts will (from what I understand) always remain the same. That being said, there is a new resort being built in Japan, and I would be interested in seeing how many points are required for reservations.

In the Wyndham system - points are points like Hilton. And pts required for a specific unit in existing resorts will always remain the same, though like Hilton - new resorts will typically have higher pts values.

And unlike Hilton, there is not an additional charge if you book outside your home resort.

 

[Arimaas]

In the Wyndham system - points are points like Hilton. And pts required for a specific unit in existing resorts will always remain the same, though like Hilton - new resorts will typically have higher pts values.

And unlike Hilton, there is not an additional charge if you book outside your home resort.

Yeah, Hilton seems to have a lot of nickel and dime charges. Club reservation, guest certificate etc, when compared to Wyndham.

 

[tschwa2]

Yeah, Hilton seems to have a lot of nickel and dime charges. Club reservation, guest certificate etc, when compared to Wyndham.

Wyndham has a lot of fees too. You get a certain number of "free" transactions and certificates but if you are not gold or platinum VIP then it is fairly easy to go through the included credits and you will be charged, transactions, housekeeping credits, guest certificates, etc.

 

[vacationhopeful]

RENT ... don't buy.

The rules change; the exchange reates change; the Wyndham runs a call center is US hours (European calls to US are not free PLUS you are in a different time zones); Wyndham Corp want to change their busy model to increase MFs where they can rent cheaper than owning; JUNK ad on fees for short stays, vacation rebookings, housekeeping credits; guest fees; etc.

Far easier to change your vacation goals every season or year WHEN not locked into a fixed timeshare system ... or even ANY timeshare system.

The timeshare systems benefit ONLY the very pre-planning people who generally go to the same area, need the same units size, can plan 10-13 months in advance, like the same old same old (similiar decor in build locals). Plus cook in your unit, drive to places (few central city resort inside a large city locale), few resort activities and cookie cutter decor between the resorts.

Image that EVERY year for 2 weeks your options that YOU PREPAID for and must be booked 13-10 months IN ADVANCE, involve stay 7 nights, cooking some or most meals, shopping with no spice rate or pans you reguarly use, sleep in a variety of mattresses & room light, park 1 car onsite within a 5 minute walk to the door and live in FEAR of the neighbor from the Outer Limits.

And then 5 days after getting home, realize your home has bedbugs, roaches or lice.

 

[Braindead]

RENT ... don't buy.

The rules change; the exchange reates change; the Wyndham runs a call center is US hours (European calls to US are not free PLUS you are in a different time zones); Wyndham Corp want to change their busy model to increase MFs where they can rent cheaper than owning; JUNK ad on fees for short stays, vacation rebookings, housekeeping credits; guest fees; etc.

Far easier to change your vacation goals every season or year WHEN not locked into a fixed timeshare system ... or even ANY timeshare system.

The timeshare systems benefit ONLY the very pre-planning people who generally go to the same area, need the same units size, can plan 10-13 months in advance, like the same old same old (similiar decor in build locals). Plus cook in your unit, drive to places (few central city resort inside a large city locale), few resort activities and cookie cutter decor between the resorts.

Image that EVERY year for 2 weeks your options that YOU PREPAID for and must be booked 13-10 months IN ADVANCE, involve stay 7 nights, cooking some or most meals, shopping with no spice rate or pans you reguarly use, sleep in a variety of mattresses & room light, park 1 car onsite within a 5 minute walk to the door and live in FEAR of the neighbor from the Outer Limits.

And then 5 days after getting home, realize your home has bedbugs, roaches or lice.

Wow! Wyndham has it faults as do all of the major timeshare companies.
But I will say I really do enjoy the resorts. I’m glad I’m an owner and not looking for rental. Staff is excellent at all of the resorts I’ve experienced

 

[Family_travel]

Wow! Wyndham has it faults as do all of the major timeshare companies.
But I will say I really do enjoy the resorts. I’m glad I’m an owner and not looking for rental. Staff is excellent at all of the resorts I’ve experienced

While we have only been owners a few years. I agree with Brainded. We have enjoyed our membership. I do not like the parking pass desk.
Being able to plan ahead is a must. I was able to piece together a week at Panama City Beach last year after it was sold out at the 10-month mark. I had to check everyday for cancellations. It cost me some extra transaction credits, but it was wonderful to have a place where our son could spend time with his Grandparents.
Within driving distance can reduce cost (you can pre-buy some groceries on sale, no uber/taxi cost, etc). But this summer, we found a cheap flight to New Orleans and had a wonderful time at Avenue plaza. It's on the trolly line, so we only used a cab to/from airport. I bought milk, snacks, etc from Walgreens down the street.
I can not commit on international calling.

 

[Railman83]

I think this is a one-sided overly negative view that does not represent the totality of TUGGERs.

If you buy resale and aren’t a last minute person, it will allow you a nicer place for less money than common alternatives.

RENT ... don't buy.

The rules change; the exchange reates change; the Wyndham runs a call center is US hours (European calls to US are not free PLUS you are in a different time zones); Wyndham Corp want to change their busy model to increase MFs where they can rent cheaper than owning; JUNK ad on fees for short stays, vacation rebookings, housekeeping credits; guest fees; etc.

Far easier to change your vacation goals every season or year WHEN not locked into a fixed timeshare system ... or even ANY timeshare system.

The timeshare systems benefit ONLY the very pre-planning people who generally go to the same area, need the same units size, can plan 10-13 months in advance, like the same old same old (similiar decor in build locals). Plus cook in your unit, drive to places (few central city resort inside a large city locale), few resort activities and cookie cutter decor between the resorts.

Image that EVERY year for 2 weeks your options that YOU PREPAID for and must be booked 13-10 months IN ADVANCE, involve stay 7 nights, cooking some or most meals, shopping with no spice rate or pans you reguarly use, sleep in a variety of mattresses & room light, park 1 car onsite within a 5 minute walk to the door and live in FEAR of the neighbor from the Outer Limits.

And then 5 days after getting home, realize your home has bedbugs, roaches or lice.

 

[Al Wilson]

I have some questions regarding joining wyndham through the resale market and i hope you guys can help

we holiday 8 weeks a year in kids holidays so need to know how many points would i need for a 2-3 bedroom in a high quality resort i though maybe 1000000????

Do i need to pick a popular resort as my home resort to ensure i can book the resort before it sells out?

Is it hard to pick popular resorts at peak time? and if so when am i given the chance to book these resorts 6months, 10months etc. Are owners who purchased through wyndham direct given priority therefore take all the best resorts???

Because i live in Europe is it possible to use RCI with my points that i have brought on the resale market??.

Your help is greatly appreciated

Research Club Wyndham Access vs. Club Wyndham Plus to see which contract works best for you. With access, you will get 10-13 month advanced reservation (ARP) priority at many resorts. With Plus, you will get that ARP at just your home resort. Plus owners might have more units available at a home resort in that ARP period, than Access has. During the ARP period, resale owners are treated the same as those who purchased direct from Wyndham. I have two resale contracts, and I can use ARP 10-13 months out.

 

[Germanyboy]

I get a 3 bedroom or 2 bdrm + or loft for about 250,000 points for a week. Have 3 this year at Flagstaff, pagosa, and grand desert.

 

[dannybaker]

We also were looking into purchasing resale around 1,000,000 points. We need a one bedroom unit off season at Bonnet Creek. Yes we go to Disney 14 plus weeks a year. We do not mind traveling off season and in fact prefer off season. If we purchase resale at Bonnet creek what would be the true cost of 12 weeks per year in a one bedroom off season. We currently spend 20 weeks plus in time shares. We own six weeks of Marriott and six weeks of San Diego Lawrence Welk. We trade in both RCI and II and also rent weeks.

 

[jwalk03]

We also were looking into purchasing resale around 1,000,000 points. We need a one bedroom unit off season at Bonnet Creek. Yes we go to Disney 14 plus weeks a year. We do not mind traveling off season and in fact prefer off season. If we purchase resale at Bonnet creek what would be the true cost of 12 weeks per year in a one bedroom off season. We currently spend 20 weeks plus in time shares. We own six weeks of Marriott and six weeks of San Diego Lawrence Welk. We trade in both RCI and II and also rent weeks.

A 1BR Deluxe at Bonnet Creek is 166K points per week in PRIME, 126K points per week in HIGH, and 84K points per week in VALUE season.

Only 17 weeks of the entire year are 'Value" season 15-19, 36-39 & 43-50.


The true dollar value cost could vary greatly. It just depends on what MF contracts you buy. At $4.50/1000 the MF on 1 million points is $4500, at 6.70/1000 its $6700 for the same 1 million points. So if you are planning to own for a while it would be better to spend more upfront for lower MF contracts, than cheaply acquiring a lot of high MF contracts.

 

[dannybaker]

Value season works perfect for the two of us. There currently is a Wyndham bonnet creek with 415000 points for $2670 in maintenance fees. That would give us five weeks per year. Unfortunately it looks like a higher maintenance fee.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183099228892?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

 

[paxsarah]

I've attached the PDF points chart for Bonnet Creek. If you need to know how the week numbers match up with the calendar, just google "timeshare weeks calendar" and it should get you one. I would be surprised if you didn't end up wanting to travel during some "high" season weeks as well as "value" season. This should be able to get you a true picture of how many points you would need for 12 weeks of travel a year, and then you can see what the buy-in and ongoing MFs would be.