Want to buy club wynham access on ebay

[mimi67]

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bourne-do you have a club access resale contract? Thanks for confirming.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

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bourne-do you have a club access resale contract? Thanks for confirming.

Just FYI, I just checked and I can book it as well (without a CWA contract). The only thing CWA resale gets you is Advanced Reservation Priority at the 10 - 13 month mark. Within 10 months in the Wyndham system all points are equal and you don’t need CWA.

 

[paxsarah]

Just FYI, I just checked and I can book it as well (without a CWA contract). The only thing CWA resale gets you is Advanced Reservation Priority at the 10 - 13 month mark. Within 10 months in the Wyndham system all points are equal and you don’t need CWA.

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Thirded. All resale, all deeded/no CWA. Maybe the confusion was someone thinking that booking Shell properties is like Club Pass; it’s not. They’re part of Club Wyndham via Club Wyndham Prefer, so they can be booked at 10 months like any Club Wyndham property. (I assume only the portion of inventory that’s been subsumed into Club Wyndham, but I don’t really know how it works exactly.)

 

[CO skier]

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Having never booked a Shell resort, because I thought they were available only through Club Pass, I stand educated and will keep this in mind for the future. Another great benefit from Wyndham.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Having never booked a Shell resort, because I thought they were available only through Club Pass, I stand educated and will keep this in mind for the future. Another great benefit from Wyndham.

Typically when a Shell owner converts their contract and becomes a Wyndham owner - that inventory is also then made accessible to other Wyndham owners during the SRP/ERP windows IIRC - provided the Shell owner doesn't choose to still use that inventory within a certain decision timeframe. What I'm not sure of is whether Wyndham owners can see all available Shell inventory, or only the inventory from owners who underwent conversion. Perhaps another more knowledgeable TUGGER could jump in here with this guidance?

 

[HitchHiker71]

There is separate inventory for the advanced reservation period (ARP). CWA has access to inventory CWA owns at the different resorts from 13 to 10 months out. A defined amount of inventory has been conveyed to CWA. Only that inventory is available to CWA during the ARP. At 10 months out, any unreserved inventory becomes available to all other owners in the club. Thus a Grand Desert owner can book it. Not all the inventory at a resort is in CWA. Most resorts have a mixture of deeded or UTI and CWA ownership.

This is an important concept to understand within the ARP window. CWA only has access to CWA owned deeds within the trust during the ARP window. Some resorts have quite a bit of CWA owned inventory, other resorts have almost none, it all depends on the resort inventory breakdown. I've got an old spreadsheet that I started that breaks down this ownership, but despite repeated attempts to get ahold of newer CWA POS documentation, I've not been successful doing so, so the data I have is old. Probably still better than nothing though.

This concept becomes important, for example, if you want ARP access to Midtown 45 for example, but CWA doesn't hold many deeds for Midtown 45. Just one example. I say this because I've seen some folks who bought CWA under the false impression that they could use ARP for a specific resort, that were then disappointed when they came to find out that the CWA trust didn't hold many deeds for the resort they wanted to use ARP for - such as Clearwater for example - at least early on (not sure if this is still the case today). CWA deeds change over time, as inventory is swapped in and out of the trust based upon what Wyndham wants to do with CWA.

 

[WManning]

Having never booked a Shell I thought they were available only through Club Pass, I stand educated and will keep this in mind for the future. Another great benefit from Wyndham.

I have booked both Shell properties in PHX. Both are a welcome addition to Wyndham. In the past I only had the option to use my Worldmark credits to book stays in PHX.

 

[mimi67]

eBay has a few club access resales for even or odd years. Does one pay Maintenance on even or odd year or annual, every year? Assume usage is only for even or odd.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

eBay has a few club access resales for even or odd years. Does one pay Maintenance on even or odd year or annual, every year? Assume usage is only for even or odd.

It’’s billed monthly, every month of every year, regardless of what year the usage is in.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

eBay has a few club access resales for even or odd years. Does one pay Maintenance on even or odd year or annual, every year? Assume usage is only for even or odd.

Just want to again suggest that if you really plan on using this at Midtown 45 a lot, I’d strongly consider targeting a Midtown 45 resale contract. You’ll get Midtown 45 ARP, at 10 months you can use the points everywhere else, **and** the maintenance fees on Midtown 45 are some of the lowest in the Wyndham system. You’ll pay a bit of a premium on the front end to purchase it, but it’ll be worth it in the end.

 

[mimi67]

Great suggestion! Thank you all for your valuable input. I’m digging deeper into resales and may have a few more questions. Everyone’s input has been extremely helpful and I feel well prepared to jump on an opportunity when it shows up!!!

 

[ts traveler]

You shouldn't be surprised. In Wyndham, with VERY few exceptions (Presidential Reserve (PR), Margaritaville) points are points.

At 10 months, you can book at every single non-PR and non-Margaritaville resort.

Keep in mind, even with Club Wyndham Access (CWA), despite what they lead you to believe, you cannot book at EVERY resort at 10 months. This is in the fine print, but not every

Wyndham resort has CWA inventory. Or in some cases, some have very limited CWA inventory. You will not be able to book at these until 10 months.
I believe none of the Hawaii resorts have Access inventory, there are others too. And even those with "some" inventory, once that's booked by CWA owners, you would have to wait till 10 months.

I really see no reason to own CWA. The exception being if you consistently want to book holidays or special events at high demand resorts (New Years at Midtown, Mardi Gras in New Orleans, Bike Week at Ocean Walk, etc).

The only time I ran into the limitation was I was trying to book at a resort in Colorado for week of Christmas and couldn't. As it ended up, I was able to waitlist and got a spot.

Are points purchased on eBay at an exclusively presidential reserve resort used in the same way as other Wyndham points? Does the points are points concept apply? Thanks for any input.

 

[liquidmas]

With regards to points you get a housekeeping credit with every 70,000 points owned in your contract. I am in the process of having a resale 210,000 contract transferred to me. That will give me an additional 3 housekeeping credits. You need one per week or shorter stay. I like to do three night stays.

 

[mimi67]

With regards to points you get a housekeeping credit with every 70,000 points owned in your contract. I am in the process of having a resale 210,000 contract transferred to me. That will give me an additional 3 housekeeping credits. You need one per week or shorter stay. I like to do three night stays.

How much is housekeeping without credits?

 

[mimi67]

Just want to again suggest that if you really plan on using this at Midtown 45 a lot, I’d strongly consider targeting a Midtown 45 resale contract. You’ll get Midtown 45 ARP, at 10 months you can use the points everywhere else, **and** the maintenance fees on Midtown 45 are some of the lowest in the Wyndham system. You’ll pay a bit of a premium on the front end to purchase it, but it’ll be worth it in the end.

Anyone with luck booking at Midtown 45 with club access or deeded single property?

 

[HitchHiker71]

Just want to again suggest that if you really plan on using this at Midtown 45 a lot, I’d strongly consider targeting a Midtown 45 resale contract. You’ll get Midtown 45 ARP, at 10 months you can use the points everywhere else, **and** the maintenance fees on Midtown 45 are some of the lowest in the Wyndham system. You’ll pay a bit of a premium on the front end to purchase it, but it’ll be worth it in the end.

Just to be clear - CWA does not list Midtown 45 as in the trust: https://clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com/us/en/owner-guide/resources/club-wyndham-access/resorts

My spreadsheet that I maintain - last updated in 2020 - had zero Midtown 45 inventory in the trust as well. Granted, that's going back four years ago now, but unless someone has explicit data otherwise, no one can book using CWA ARP into Midtown 45. Obviously it's fine once you hit ten months out and points become regular points, and that may be perfectly fine for the OP in this thread, but just wanted to clearly point this out.

 

[Pink_Warrior]

Just to be clear - CWA does not list Midtown 45 as in the trust: https://clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com/us/en/owner-guide/resources/club-wyndham-access/resorts

My spreadsheet that I maintain - last updated in 2020 - had zero Midtown 45 inventory in the trust as well. Granted, that's going back four years ago now, so unless someone has explicit data otherwise, no one can book using CWA ARP into Midtown 45. Obviously it's fine once you hit ten months out and points become regular points, and that may be perfectly fine for the OP in this thread, but just wanted to clearly point this out.

Midtown is an association like Avon so that might have something to do with not being in the trust.

Midtown is A LOT of points. Nights during the week are normally fine. You need ARP for Thanksgiving and December. If you aren't necessarily going for those times of years AND you really aren't planning a year out, you should be fine.

I've not looked at the numbers lately, but bringing in two 3 bedroom PICs is 508 developer points. You would need 98k developer point purchase to bring those in. So this is really close to getting to VIP. That is what gets you to the discount/upgrade window which is pretty important for a resort that is in prime season all year long.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Just to be clear - CWA does not list Midtown 45 as in the trust: https://clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com/us/en/owner-guide/resources/club-wyndham-access/resorts

My spreadsheet that I maintain - last updated in 2020 - had zero Midtown 45 inventory in the trust as well. Granted, that's going back four years ago now, but unless someone has explicit data otherwise, no one can book using CWA ARP into Midtown 45. Obviously it's fine once you hit ten months out and points become regular points, and that may be perfectly fine for the OP in this thread, but just wanted to clearly point this out.

Another good reason not to buy CWA if your intentions are to use it for Midtown 45 a lot.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Midtown is A LOT of points.

It is, but honestly, comparing what an equivalent accommodation in midtown manhattan would cost to rent versus the maintenance fees on a midtown 45 contract still makes Midtown 45 a decent deal IMO. We just stayed there over Columbus Day weekend on points and really enjoyed it (and our points have a higher average maintenance fee cost than Midtown 45, and I still felt like it was a decent deal).

 

[HitchHiker71]

Midtown is an association like Avon so that might have something to do with not being in the trust.

Midtown is A LOT of points. Nights during the week are normally fine. You need ARP for Thanksgiving and December. If you aren't necessarily going for those times of years AND you really aren't planning a year out, you should be fine.

I've not looked at the numbers lately, but bringing in two 3 bedroom PICs is 508 developer points. You would need 98k developer point purchase to bring those in. So this is really close to getting to VIP. That is what gets you to the discount/upgrade window which is pretty important for a resort that is in prime season all year long.

AFAIK Midtown 45 is deeded - which means deeds are sold against that property and it's owned by Wyndham. Am I incorrect? If deeds are sold for this property - then I'd surmise it could be held in the trust, but again, that's just an assumption on my part. I've actually been quoted Midtown 45 during sales updates - so that to me indicates it's a deeded resort property.

 

[paxsarah]

AFAIK Midtown 45 is deeded - which means deeds are sold against that property and it's owned by Wyndham. Am I incorrect? If deeds are sold for this property - then I'd surmise it could be held in the trust, but again, that's just an assumption on my part. I've actually been quoted Midtown 45 during sales updates - so that to me indicates it's a deeded resort property.

I was once told that Midtown 45 is in its own sort of trust - that is, owners there don't own deeds directly but essentially own in a Midtown 45 trust of some sort. It would take a Midtown 45 owner here to confirm or deny that.

 

[Pink_Warrior]

AFAIK Midtown 45 is deeded - which means deeds are sold against that property and it's owned by Wyndham. Am I incorrect? If deeds are sold for this property - then I'd surmise it could be held in the trust, but again, that's just an assumption on my part. I've actually been quoted Midtown 45 during sales updates - so that to me indicates it's a deeded resort property.

There isn't anything deeded with NY. So it seems to run more like an Access contract. They send you the paperwork to sign (not a deed) and send it back in with transfer fee. Access used to have a different color envelope so they could distinguish them from others since there is no deed. It is an Assignment of Contract and Assumption. I just looked in my files.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I was once told that Midtown 45 is in its own sort of trust - that is, owners there don't own deeds directly but essentially own in a Midtown 45 trust of some sort. It would take a Midtown 45 owner here to confirm or deny that.

Interesting - I've also been told that Shell doesn't have any deeds either - it's all trust based - and yet Shell inventory exists within CWA. So at least on the surface, trust based inventory isn't a limiting factor for existence within CWA - though there certainly may be extenuating contractual limitations specific to Midtown 45 that may prevent inventory from being placed into CWA that we aren't readily aware of or can point toward.

 

[paxsarah]

Interesting - I've also been told that Shell doesn't have any deeds either - it's all trust based - and yet Shell inventory exists within CWA. So at least on the surface, trust based inventory isn't a limiting factor for existence within CWA - though there certainly may be extenuating contractual limitations specific to Midtown 45 that may prevent inventory from being placed into CWA that we aren't readily aware of or can point toward.

Is there Shell in CWA?

 

[dioxide45]

Interesting - I've also been told that Shell doesn't have any deeds either - it's all trust based - and yet Shell inventory exists within CWA. So at least on the surface, trust based inventory isn't a limiting factor for existence within CWA - though there certainly may be extenuating contractual limitations specific to Midtown 45 that may prevent inventory from being placed into CWA that we aren't readily aware of or can point toward.

But I don't think those Shell are part of CWA, they are part of CWP and only work through the club using 10 month bookings. Essentially they enroll a Shell point contract into CWP. Kind of like a converted week. At least that is how I think it works.