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Waiohai vs. Ko Olina

OldPantry

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After seeing the Kauai Waiohai consistently rated above Ko Olina (it's presently number 2 among Marriott resorts), and having just returned from a Waiohai week, I'm wondering: on what planet is Waiohai the better place?
Frankly, I think people must be transferring their love of the island (absolutely stunning, wonderful in nearly every way) to the resort.
Don't get me wrong, Waiohai is a perfectly nice place; a horseshoe of four-story buildings opening onto a cramped public beach. The gardens are lovely, extending quite a way from the ocean, and getting much nicer as they go back. However, the beach is CROWDED. Unless you rise with the chickens (there's a ton of them), forget about snagging a beach chair, and even a patch of sand is in short supply. Compare that to Ko Olina's four huge lagoons, spanning a good mile in length. Ko Olina gets better and better as you approach the ocean; Waiohai the opposite (IMO).
Due to its horseshoe layout, a great many Waiohai villas boast an "ocean view". True enough, but it's a tiny wedge of ocean. If you're on the first floor, you probably won't see water; on the third floor you're likely to have the view blocked by palm trees. It would be far more accurate to call most of these units "garden view". This is actually OK, as the gardens are very nice indeed. Ko Olina's view descriptions are far more accurate: ocean front looks directly out on the ocean, ocean views are fairly sweeping, and island view is panoramic, if a bit dull. Ko Olina mountain views are generally much better than Waiohai's outside units, which tend to have parking-lot vistas.
As to swimming pools, the edge goes overwhelmingly to Ko Olina. They're much bigger, and much better designed. Hot tubs are about the same, although there is a secluded one in the far back of Waiohai that is very romantic.
Ko Olina's arrival area is far grander than Waiohai's, and its lobby dwarfs the small space Waiohai dedicates to its arrivals. Aside from very meager offerings at the beach bar and the Marketplace, Waiohai has no restaurants at all. Ko Olina has two. Ko Olina's spa/health club is far nicer than the offerings at Waiohai.
Probably due to its size, Ko Olina has a wider variety of activities. Waiohai offers catch and release fishing (for $10!); I think that compares poorly with the fish feeding available at the Marriott lagoon in Ko Olina (for free, with an illustrated fish guide!).
I would say the villas are highly comparable. The Waiohai master tubs are great / the Ko Olina master showers are great! The Waiohai balcony is quite a bit larger than those at Ko Olina, but each unit has only one.
Bottom line: I get the fuss about Kauai, but I think Ko Olina, as a vacation club, blows Waiohai away.
 
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Totaly agreed. I could have bought at Waiohai during contruction, but did not really like the location, and it had no lock-offs. So I bought my first Ko Olina property pre-construction. This winter I traded into Waiohia, and reconfirmed why I did not buy there originally. Had the same reaction as you. While Kauai remains my favorate island, Oahu has its' advantages as well, and bottom line, I prefer Ko Olina to Waiohai,
 
I have to agree that Ko'Olina is superior. The units at Ko'Olina are significantly larger, Waiohai has no services (not even towel service at the pool). Although I LOVE the island of Kauai, the Waiohai property feels more like an apartment complex - less like a resort - than Ko'Olina (or Maui).
 
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100% agree.
 
After seeing the Kauai Waiohai consistently rated above Ko Olina (it's presently number 2 among Marriott resorts).

Just curious. Where did you see these ratings? I would like to look at them.

By the way, I agree that Ko Olina is better than Waiohai. We owned both and sold our Waiohai week. Waiohai is very nice but we had too many MVCI weeks and it was easy to choose to keep Ko Olina over Waiohai.
 
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Thanks all for your helpful comments on both these resorts. We considered Waiohai but opted for KoOlina. We've been to KoOlina once before and loved everything about it. We particularly enjoyed the cabanas facing the lagoons. Sounds like we chose the right one and are looking forward to our return visit this fall.
 
We visited Ko Olina during it's early construction stages. I was turned off by the grand view of the refinery. Is it still visible? I also didn't like the lagoons, which I regarded as boring, and I was concerned about future congestion at the site and the fairly isolated location. We have never been back.
 
I have not been to Ko'olina, but I think that Disney's Aulani resort, which is going up nearby, will increase the value of Ko'olina, making it less isolated and bringing in more restaurants and shops.
 
We visited Ko Olina during it's early construction stages. I was turned off by the grand view of the refinery. Is it still visible? I also didn't like the lagoons, which I regarded as boring, and I was concerned about future congestion at the site and the fairly isolated location. We have never been back.
Yes, the refinery is visible from some villas. But so is a pretty good swatch of mountain and harbor. As to the "boring" lagoons: to each his own. I love them; an early morning walk past all four is the highlight of a Ko Olina week for me.
 
I have not been to Ko'olina, but I think that Disney's Aulani resort, which is going up nearby, will increase the value of Ko'olina, making it less isolated and bringing in more restaurants and shops.
That might be true. I have mixed feelings about Aulani, as it will surely bring crowds. However, they're going to be sharing the Ilihani lagoon, and I suspect few Disneyites will make the journey over as far as Vacation Club.

Have you looked at the rental rates they're asking for Aulani? Startling!
 
That might be true. I have mixed feelings about Aulani, as it will surely bring crowds. However, they're going to be sharing the Ilihani lagoon, and I suspect few Disneyites will make the journey over as far as Vacation Club.

Have you looked at the rental rates they're asking for Aulani? Startling!

No, I haven't seen the rental rates. I imagine they are sky-high - upwards of $500. per night is my guess. Do you know the purchase price of a 2 bedroom unit there?
 
No, I haven't seen the rental rates. I imagine they are sky-high - upwards of $500. per night is my guess. Do you know the purchase price of a 2 bedroom unit there?
Well, as a comparison to our trusty Vacation Club, they're asking $1340 a night in late August for a partial ocean view parlor suite, 764 sq. ft., like a 1BR VC unit! I have no idea what they're asking for a 2BR unit (smaller than the Marriott comparables), but I bet it's going to hurt!
Of course, there's no guarantee whatsoever that they'll be able to get anyone to pay these prices. I suspect there will be a huge amount of discounting soon.
 
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Well, as a comparison to our trusty Vacation Club, they're asking $1340 a night in late August for a partial ocean view parlor suite, 764 sq. ft., like a 1BR VC unit! I have no idea what they're asking for a 2BR unit (smaller than the Marriott comparables), but I bet it's going to hurt!
Of course, there's no guarantee whatsoever that they'll be able to get anyone to pay these prices. I suspect there will be a huge amount of discounting soon.

Wow! That is mind-boggling!!
 
Yes, the refinery is visible from some villas. But so is a pretty good swatch of mountain and harbor. As to the "boring" lagoons: to each his own. I love them; an early morning walk past all four is the highlight of a Ko Olina week for me.
We were just there last week and were lucky enough to get a nice mountain view unit overlooking the golf course. However for most mountain view units at Ko'Olina, Mountain View = Iraqi View (because of the refinery). This is one resort where you definitely want to pay extra for an ocean view unit in my opinion.
 
No, I haven't seen the rental rates. I imagine they are sky-high - upwards of $500. per night is my guess. Do you know the purchase price of a 2 bedroom unit there?
We just took an Aulani tour last week. Disney operates their own version of a points system, so it all depends on your view category and time of year. For a 2BR unit with a decent view, you can expect to pay $45-$55K.
 
We just took an Aulani tour last week. Disney operates their own version of a points system, so it all depends on your view category and time of year. For a 2BR unit with a decent view, you can expect to pay $45-$55K.
Do you know the points MFs too?
 
Do you know the points MFs too?
Once again, it depends on the number of DVC points you purchase. But the MF for that number of points was in excess of $2000 per year.
 
Here's a Points chart for Disney's Aulani resort. Weekly point costs for a 2BR range from 343 for a "Standard" view in the lowest "Adventure" season to 595 for an "Oceanview" in the highest "Premier" season. As of 11/01/10 the points cost $120 each with incentives that could drop the price to as low as $102 each. (Don't know if there have been price changes since then.) 2011 MF's are $4.0371 per point.

We visited Marriott's Waiohai in May one year. Our 2BR unit was classified as "oceanview" but had only a distant sliver view of the water beyond the interior courtyard and pool views. Looking at that chart for the same May week we'd need 420 DVC points for an "island gardens view" or 441 DVC points for a "poolside gardens view." Figuring the least amount - 420 X $102 = $42,840 buy-in, plus $1,696 annual MF. That's a lot more than our buy-in and MF for the SW week we used to exchange. If we used the DC Points from that week to make the same exchange to Waiohai or a similar Ko 'Olina unit/view, we'd have a balance left over. Marriott beats Disney in this example using an enrolled Week, but I'd love to see the comparison between Disney's Aulani and purchased DC Points.

(All that said, I love Disney and would consider a purchase of WDW-onsite points if Don liked it as much as I do. The difference staying at Disney World is night and day between a hotel room and their timeshares, and staying onsite is important to me.)
 
We were just there last week and were lucky enough to get a nice mountain view unit overlooking the golf course. However for most mountain view units at Ko'Olina, Mountain View = Iraqi View (because of the refinery). This is one resort where you definitely want to pay extra for an ocean view unit in my opinion.
I always want ocean views wherever we stay, but we did stay at Ko Olina once with a mountain view in Moana Tower. That tower at least has superb mountain views, in my opinion. I think the mountain views at Ko Olina are generally better than the mountain/garden views at Maui or Waiohai.
 
Here's a Points chart for Disney's Aulani resort. Weekly point costs for a 2BR range from 343 for a "Standard" view in the lowest "Adventure" season to 595 for an "Oceanview" in the highest "Premier" season. As of 11/01/10 the points cost $120 each with incentives that could drop the price to as low as $102 each. (Don't know if there have been price changes since then.) 2011 MF's are $4.0371 per point.
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That chart is interesting. Looking at that chart I would want a 3 bedroom annual which would cost OVER $100,000 plus over $4,000 per year. That's a lot of money in my book. A re-sale Marriott Ko Olina looks pretty darn cheap compared to that!
 
I prefer the Waiohai

I've been to both resorts and vastly prefer the Waiohai. Most of the reason for that is because it is on a beach which is far superior. The actual physical layout of the Koolina buildings is nice, but in my opinion the location leaves much to be desired in terms of physical beauty.
 
Another vote for the Waiohai

I agree that Ko Olina has a nicer lobby and superior on-site restaurants. That said, we prefer the Waiohai.

1. The Waiohai is on a real beach with real snorkeling; Ko Olina is on an artificial lagoon whose flora and fauna will never compare. If you are at Ko Olina and want to snorkel, you have to get into a car and drive.

2. We don't like the crowds and congestion at Ko Olina; 15 story buildings don't feel resort-like to us. This will only get worse when Disney's Aulani is functional. Of course, many people like the "scene" with lots of people; Waikiki is very popular.

3. The room configuration at Waiohai is more efficient, in part because the rooms are not lock-offs and in part because of the sitting room off the master bedroom at Ko Olina was unusable for us. That said, Ko Olina does have lock-offs, and that does give more flexibility in usage.

4. Waiohai is better for BBQ.

5. Waiohai is better for walking near the development and the island is far more beautiful.

6. Neither is great for views. Others have fairly critiqued the poor "ocean view" units at Waiohai; however, a high floor at Ko Olina feels distant from the ocean as well. If you want superior views, the ocean front units at the Maui Ocean Club or Westin Ka'anapali can't be beat.

I've followed this thread with amusement. It clearly shows that different folks prefer different kinds of resorts -- and that Marriott figured that out and built both of these places to cater to different tastes. The good news is that on-site research to compare these differences is not at all arduous.
 
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We have been to Ko Olina and Waiohai and after staying at both chose Waiohai. We like the more intimate feel of the resort. KoOlina is nice, but is just too big for our taste. Waiohai is like Cheers where everyone knows your name. I like that I can walk across the street and have a Puka dog in the same amount of time it would take me to walk from my room to the lagoons at KoOlina.

Everyone has different taste. But to us KoOlina seems like a beautiful resort, but Waiohai feels like we are coming home.
 
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