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If I could get a guaranteed reservation at WKOVR center oceanfront, that would be worth many more points to me than WSJ. hence, that is why I think MVC will value things accordingly when they convert Vistana owners to DPs. In general, while I may not be a typical TUGGER, I am somewhat of a typical consumer.

That's a separate issue.


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That's a separate issue.


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Why is it a separate issue? MVC already awards more points to oceanfront at its Maui units and I was willing to pay a premium in destination points for oceanfront for next year’s reservation.
 

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I don't recall the details, but I belive earlier (years ago) threads that discussed this issue mentioned some legal reasons why some resorts are mandatory. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me if the developer found ways around them.


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Yes, it was discussed at length in this thread. It is ultimately based on the underlying condominium documents. So there are legal reasons they can't convert a resort from mandatory to voluntary. They can't however strip the mandatory status from a resort without super majority of owners voting for it. The developer however could simply scrap the whole VSN program altogether. Of course that wouldn't be good either. They could perhaps then replace it with something new, but those resale owners at mandatory resorts could argue that just changing the name of VSN to something else doesn't get the developer off the hook when it comes to mandatory properties.
 

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You can book at WLR for under $200 a night on Expedia so yes, the market has validated the value.
I am not sure where you see those prices.

Once you add taxes etc, on Expedia a 1 bedroom in March at Lagunamar is $3500 non refundable and $4000 with free
cancellation. If you add the studio price (they do not rent 2 bedrooms), a 2 bedroom is $7,300 for a week (free cancellation)

Gold weeks might be cheaper but that is true at any destination.

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I am not sure where you see those prices.

Once you add taxes etc, on Expedia a 1 bedroom in March at Lagunamar is $3500 non refundable and $4000 with free
cancellation. If you add the studio price (they do not rent 2 bedrooms), a 2 bedroom is $7,300 for a week (free cancellation)

I saw it today when I did a search for something in the next couple of months. If you book way in advance, the range is $200-$400 depending on unit size so, yes, booking now for March is probably $3500. There is no way anyone normal would pay $7300 for a week in Cancun except perhaps for Christmas, New Years or Easter when everything is overpriced. FYI, a 2 BR at WLR is not the 1 br price plus the studio price. Generally, a 2 bedroom may add $50 to $100 a night. Studio in Nov is $167 per night and 1 bedroom is $220. WLR is rated 4 stars on Expedia so it has a ton of competition in that region for the price. A garden view hotel room at Westin Maui is $366 for that week. A big difference from a studio at WLR to a hotel room with garden view in Maui. While Tuggers will not rent in Expedia, it does reflect the market’s opinion.
 
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Why is it a separate issue? MVC already awards more points to oceanfront at its Maui units and I was willing to pay a premium in destination points for oceanfront for next year’s reservation.

Because the value you refer to is subjective.


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I saw it today when I did a search for something in the next couple of months. If you book way in advance, the range is $200-$400 depending on unit size so, yes, booking now for March is probably $3500. There is no way anyone normal would pay $7300 for a week in Cancun except perhaps for Christmas, New Years or Easter when everything is overpriced. Studio in Nov is $167 per night and 1 bedroom is $220. WLR is rated 4 stars on Expedia so it has a ton of competition in that region for the price.
and this is the price on spg for a studio, 318 per night in November! By the way, the one bedroom is sold out for the same period
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and this is the price on spg for a studio, 318 per night in November! By the way, the one bedroom is sold out for the same period
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Marriott and Vistana’s websites usually charge more than Expedia.
 

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I saw it today when I did a search for something in the next couple of months. If you book way in advance, the range is $200-$400 depending on unit size so, yes, booking now for March is probably $3500. There is no way anyone normal would pay $7300 for a week in Cancun except perhaps for Christmas, New Years or Easter when everything is overpriced. Studio in Nov is $167 per night and 1 bedroom is $220. WLR is rated 4 stars on Expedia so it has a ton of competition in that region for the price. A garden view hotel room at Westin Maui is $366 for that week. A big difference from a studio at WLR to a hotel room with garden view in Maui. While Tuggers will not rent in Expedia, it does reflect the market’s opinion.
by the way, i need a 1 bedroom for October 28th-30th. Can you please find me the one you mentioned for 200 (tax in) ?
 

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Because the value you refer to is subjective.


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Yes I agree my personal opinion is subjective. However the market view is not subjective. In general, the market values St John very highly. Like I said, I am not an owner at St John so I have no skin in the game. If I weren’t so cheap, I would have purchased WSJ.
 

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Marriott almost always charges more than Expedia. I booked 5 days at Marriott in PV for about $80 a night because it was so much cheaper than Marriott’s website. I always compare the websites before booking to see if it is worth buying via Expedia or direct or using points. I had the choice of Marriott or Westin in PV for about the same price per night and chose Marriott because they tend to give me better benefits.
 

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by the way, i need a 1 bedroom for October 28th-30th. Can you please find me the one you mentioned for 200 (tax in) ?

As I was curious, it seems this actually isn't quite that expensive. Studios are naturally less expensive. I saw these on Kayak just now. I believe tax is additional.






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Marriott almost always charges more than Expedia. I booked 5 days at Marriott in PV for about $80 a night because it was so much cheaper than Marriott’s website. I always compare the websites before booking to see if it is worth buying via Expedia or direct or using points. I had the choice of Marriott or Westin in PV for about the same price per night and chose Marriott because they tend to give me better benefits.
in any case, you know that October-November is very low season in Mexico-Caribbeans. Anything medium-high season is a completely different story
 

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by the way, i need a 1 bedroom for October 28th-30th. Can you please find me the one you mentioned for 200 (tax in) ?

$232 for studio and $270 for 1 bedroom for 3 nights on Expedia from Oct 28-30. If you wait until the week of Nov 17, the studio is $167 and the one bedroom is $220. I have noticed that Expedia’s pricing changes from moment to moment. But I will not be saving screen shots.
 

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in any case, you know that October-November is very low season in Mexico-Caribbeans. Anything medium-high season is a completely different story

yes it is low season all over the world.
 

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As I was curious, it seems this actually isn't quite that expensive. Studios are naturally less expensive. I saw these on Kayak just now. I believe tax is additional.






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has anyone heard of Prestigia? i am really interested to book (I can cancel my other reservation) but the villa type does not make sense, they do not exist at Lagunamar

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$232 for studio and $270 for 1 bedroom for 3 nights on Expedia from Oct 28-30. If you wait until the week of Nov 17, the studio is $167 and the one bedroom is $220. I have noticed that Expedia’s pricing changes from moment to moment. But I will not be saving screen shots.
as i said, October is Off season and it still is 500 per night for a 2 bedroom
 

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yes it is low season all over the world.
and by the way Marriott Honolulu is also 200 dollars for that period so it proves absolutely nothing except that it is low season

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as i said, October is Off season and it still is 500 per night for a 2 bedroom
But a 1BR in Hawaii for October at WKORV is $569. 2BR units are sold out.
 

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as i said, October is Off season and it still is 500 per night for a 2 bedroom

From what I can see, Expedia does not advertise 2 bedrooms at WLR. I assume that is because most people are looking for hotel rooms on Expedia and they are trying to advertise the lowest prices.
 

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and by the way Marriott Honolulu is also 200 dollars for that period so it proves absolutely nothing except that it is low season

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Who goes to the Marriott at Honolulu. That is not a comparable option because it is a different hotel. Aulani is over $484 a night on Oct 28-30 for a hotel room and Marriott Ko Olina starts at $367 per night for a hotel room on the same days compared to $232 for a studio at WLR. All I am saying is that Hawaii will be valued at more. This does not mean that there is a problem with WLR. It is a beautiful resort and probably one of the best for what you get in Cancun. I would gladly stay at WLR in a one or two bedroom and I am sure I would be overjoyed...in spite of the tile. Frankly, I like the Caribbean ocean much more than Hawaii. This is why it is less expensive to buy into WLR vs the Westins in Maui.
 

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I have spent over $70,000 on the resale market to buy into MVC and enroll my weeks and about $12000 for my WKOVRN EOY week plus the high MFs. I would hate to see MVC enroll people for too cheap after I spent so much. If that is self interest, then I am selfish! But it is still less than half of the retail cost for what I own. I hope I live long enough to see my upfront costs pay off. Imagine all The vacations I could take at Marriott-owned resorts for $82,000! And that does not include DVC and Four Seasons.
 

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From what I can see, Expedia does not advertise 2 bedrooms at WLR. I assume that is because most people are looking for hotel rooms on Expedia and they are trying to advertise the lowest prices.
neither does spg. Probably (like Interval) they figure they can make more money by selling smaller units. I am not sure it is a demand issue, it cost them nothing to list.
 
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