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I don't see your point about cancellations going back into inventory at 8AM the next day. This change was the biggest boon imaginable to renters like me.

It just takes checking for inventory from 7am - 11:45pm 7 days a week.
 

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I bought 1,011,000 from Wyndham, bare minimum to get to VIP Platinum.

What you have done is exactly what I want to do. but with a smaller retail buy... I can get to gold with a 126000 point retail buy and two PIC weeks. But I cant figure out a path to platinum unless I buy 500000 retail points...and I cant justify that expense for the extra 10 gift certs and the increased discount
 

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It just takes checking for inventory from 7am - 11:45pm 7 days a week.

You don't need to watch the system if you already have the reservations and just cancel and rebook right away for the discount. Makes everyone else watch for that much time to catch your reservations before you get them back.

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You don't need to watch the system if you already have the reservations and just cancel and rebook right away for the discount. Makes everyone else watch for that much time to catch your reservations before you get them back.

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That's it! You got it! On day 60 before check-in, cancel the reservation and about 15 seconds later book the same reservation. I open two windows and run the search once before I cancel so it's ready to go. Plus, if there is the same reservation available, I don't have to sweat out the re-booking.

I've lost exactly one reservation out of maybe sixty re-bookings. That was a 3BR unit at Ocean Walk. Ocean Walk overbooks so my cancellation was sucked up to cover an overbooking.

I rebook several reservations (I just rebooked five at La Belle Maison in New Orleans for the BCS Championship), take the points and book something else (in this case, a 3BR Pres unit next May at Bonnet Creek for a repeat buyer). When that one gets to 60 days, I'll cancel and rebook it. I have ten reservations at La Belle Maison or Avenue Plaza for the NCAA Final Four. Rebooking those will let me get something in mid-summer. I have thirty-seven active reservations in Wyndham's system.

I do check for upgrades whenever I'm in the system but don't even come close to 7 AM to 10 PM. I do work!
 
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That's it! You got it! On day 60 before check-in, cancel the reservation and about 15 seconds later book the same reservation. I open two windows and run the search once before I cancel so it's ready to go. Plus, if there is the same reservation available, I don't have to sweat out the re-booking.

I've lost exactly one reservation out of maybe sixty re-bookings. That was a 3BR unit at Ocean Walk. Ocean Walk overbooks so my cancellation was sucked up to cover an overbooking.

I rebook several reservations (I just rebooked five at La Belle Maison in New Orleans for the BCS Championship), take the points and book something else (in this case, a 3BR Pres unit next May at Bonnet Creek for a repeat buyer). When that one gets to 60 days, I'll cancel and rebook it. I have ten reservations at La Belle Maison or Avenue Plaza for the NCAA Final Four. Rebooking those will let me get something in mid-summer. I have thirty-seven active reservations in Wyndham's system.

I do check for upgrades whenever I'm in the system but don't even come close to 7 AM to 10 PM. I do work!

To maximize your booking discounts especially when doing multiple reservations for busy times also book a 1 bedroom then you get the upgrade benefit as well as the 50% discount.

Jason
 

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To maximize your booking discounts especially when doing multiple reservations for busy times also book a 1 bedroom then you get the upgrade benefit as well as the 50% discount.

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So you're saying book five 2BR units and five 1BR units at 13 months? Then at the 60 day point, cancel the 2BR and immediately cancel and rebook the 1BR and grab the upgrade?

Good idea. I did that once but it was an accident!
 
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So you're saying book five 2BR units and five 1BR units at 13 months? Then at the 60 day point, cancel the 2BR and immediately cancel and rebook the 1BR and grab the upgrade?

Good idea. I did that once but it was an accident!

No I'm saying book 5 - 2 bedrooms and 1 - 1 bedroom. Then first cancel the 1 bedroom and regrab it to get your 50% discount on that. Then cancel 1 of you 2 bedrooms and upgrade the 1 bedroom to the 2. Then repick up the 1 bedroom and repeat through the 5 reservations. At the end you can either let the 1 bedroom go or rent that one as well. This is how I believe it should work. I don't have VIP benefits :( , I am a resale owner. Doing it this way wont cost as many carry points from 13 months to 60 days.

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Okay, I got it. I'll probably screw it up but I got it!
 

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Probably best not to talk about this on a public message board.
 

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They teach this technique at owner updates in an effort to sell more VIP ownerships
 

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They teach this technique at owner updates in an effort to sell more VIP ownerships

Ron is right, this is a major sales pitch at numerous locations, in varying verisons, for buying. It is absolutly a authorized release of the benifit by the Sales Staff. This pitch is usally done in conjunction with the buy more to rent either through extra holidays, or through the site sales staff, or on your own. The ending pitch of this line is use half the points for free and the other half that are rented will pay for the ones you use. I do not know if this works or not.
 
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Ron is right, this is a major sales pitch at numerous locations for buying. It is absolutly a authorized release of the benifit by the Sales Staff. This pitch is usally done in conjunction with the buy more to rent either through extra holidays, or through the site sales staff, or on yourr own.

That does not mean the sales people actually think people will do it. Or that they care if Wyndham changes the rules. They will just change their approach and continue selling.
 

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That does not mean the sales people actually think people will do it. Or that they care if Wyndham changes the rules. They will just change their approach and continue selling.

I agree. Heck, they are still telling people they can get any week for 28K through RCI. Besides, what sales will pitch in order to sell you more points may be quite different than what corporate is willing to tolerate, especially things that become widely touted on public forums. Drawing too much attention to a loophole is often a good way to get it closed.
 
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Drawing too much attention to a loophole is often a good way to get it closed.

I'm not saying you're wrong. You are right. But, you should be wrong! This shouldn't be a loophole. It should be an policy intended to reward owners with substantial investments.

Wyndham needs sales, that is well understood. The best way to increase sales is to increase the value of ownership. If all the representations sales people make were actually the way things work, Wyndham would have no problem making sales. They would sell more contracts and fewer people would have buyer's remorse. Plugging this loophole would markedly decrease the value of my ownership. I would have to increase my asking prices and would rent fewer weeks.

RCI's should allow people to rent exchanges. I've done it but got threatening letters from RCI. Why does RCI care what we do with an exchange? If we know we can rent an exchange, we might by more points with the idea of banking points we can't use. We should be able to bank cancelled points.

There's a lot more.
 
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If the renting of rci exchanges were allowed all the good weeks would be cherry picked.
 

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If the renting of rci exchanges were allowed all the good weeks would be cherry picked.

It seems they already are - for RCI rentals! Why shouldn't owners who supply the inventory get the same right or everyone - INCLUDING RCI - should be prohibited from renting. As it is it's totally a one way street with owners the biggest losers. Make it fair and equal.
 

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It seems they already are - for RCI rentals! Why shouldn't owners who supply the inventory get the same right or everyone - INCLUDING RCI - should be prohibited from renting. As it is it's totally a one way street with owners the biggest losers. Make it fair and equal.

Especially when RCI gets an additional fee for guest passes.
 

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If the renting of rci exchanges were allowed all the good weeks would be cherry picked.

Aren't they all cherry picked anyway?...isnt that what you are doing when you pick a week for yourself, ie looking for the best ones for yourself and leaving the rest for me....Whats the difference whether you get that week I wanted, or someone else gets it to rent...either way its not there for me, or anyone else...its been cherry picked
 

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It seems they already are - for RCI rentals! Why shouldn't owners who supply the inventory get the same right or everyone - INCLUDING RCI - should be prohibited from renting. As it is it's totally a one way street with owners the biggest losers. Make it fair and equal.

This is not something that owners would like. Individual owners would suffer even more. Owners always have the option of not depositing with RCI.
 
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