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U.S. Economy Set To Lose $12.5 Billion in International Traveler Spend in 2025

moonstone said:
Yes, there are. We have many friends and neighbours who winter, or have retired to, warm (or warmish) places all over the south (Caribbean islands, Central & South America & Mexico) and even Europe. But there are very few countries in those warm areas where English is the main & primarily spoken language. Spending a week or 2 in a non-English as their first language country is ok, but when you want to spend many months there and need to read signs, labels, ask for directions or even have a conversation with the locals, it is nice that it can be done in English.


~Diane
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Also, there are a number of Canadians, who can function in both English and French. The majority of the Eastern Caribbean islands operate in one or both of those languages. I myself prefer to spend January/February in St Martin/Sint Maarten. My parents had a place in the New Smyrna Beach area for years. I had several trips where the temps dropped below freezing overnight in January/February. My experience is that if you want any guarantee of truly warm weather and water in Florida at that time of year, you need to be further south, closer to Miami. It is never an issue in the Caribbean. The only real downside is that you can't drive your own car there.
 
AJCts411 said:
Not buying American liquor, because in alcohol sales in Canada are controlled by provincial boards, some not all stopped selling USA made.
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I couldn't believe that Crown Royal cost close to $40.00 with the taxes this weekend. I bought it anyway because it's what I like. I can only imagine the cost of Jack Daniels in Canada must be way too high.

Bill
 
CanuckTravlr said:
Also, there are a number of Canadians, who can function in both English and French. The majority of the Eastern Caribbean islands operate in one or both of those languages.
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Wasn't Cuba a popular destination for Canadian snowbirds as well -- at least before the pandemic? In Key West I remember triangular travel routes that involved Cuba, Miami, and a go-between-destination based on the snowbird. (Nassau/Turks/Caymans/Cancun)
 
CanuckTravlr said:
I had several trips where the temps dropped below freezing overnight in January/February. My experience is that if you want any guarantee of truly warm weather and water in Florida at that time of year, you need to be further south, closer to Miami. It is never an issue in the Caribbean. The only real downside is that you can't drive your own car there.
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Our condo is at St. Augustine Beach and it gets a little too cold for us starting in mid-Dec. thats why after we fly home for Christmas we then fly to Belize for 2 months. When we return to St. Augustine at the beginning of March the temps are getting warm. We did drive to Belize once and that was enough for us! Our oldest DS, who now lives in the Tampa area (Apollo Beach) wants us to sell the condo and buy something an hour or 2 south of him so it will be warmer in January and February thus eliminating the need to go to Belize.


~Diane
 
ScoopKona said:
Wasn't Cuba a popular destination for Canadian snowbirds as well -- at least before the pandemic? In Key West I remember triangular travel routes that involved Cuba, Miami, and a go-between-destination based on the snowbird. (Nassau/Turks/Caymans/Cancun)
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Yes, it is still a popular destination, but I think more for vacations than spending the winter. The cheapest AI vacations from up here are to Cuba, even a 5* resort stay is cheaper than a 3 or 4* one on other islands. The food quality and what is available (many other countries will not trade or ship stuff to Cuba) is not great for long stays. We have friends (former neighbours) who tried it for one winter, renting a 2 bedroom apartment overlooking the ocean about a 10 minute bicycle ride from a town. They cooked most of their own meals with what ever they could find in the store that week. They both lost a lot of weight and the next and subsequent winters they spent in the Dominican Republic. We heard through our daughter, who is friends with their daughter, that they are buying a house down there and will be moving down permanently this fall.


~Diane
 
CanuckTravlr said:
Also, there are a number of Canadians, who can function in both English and French. The majority of the Eastern Caribbean islands operate in one or both of those languages. I myself prefer to spend January/February in St Martin/Sint Maarten. My parents had a place in the New Smyrna Beach area for years. I had several trips where the temps dropped below freezing overnight in January/February. My experience is that if you want any guarantee of truly warm weather and water in Florida at that time of year, you need to be further south, closer to Miami. It is never an issue in the Caribbean. The only real downside is that you can't drive your own car there.
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I am not really able to "snow bird" but am doing 3 (would like to do 4 but scheduling issues) weeks most winters in FL, Orlando and then closer to Miami. Benefit is I can drive there and take a lot of stuff, and can work there remote cause still in the US. I do want to go to the Caribbean some day, but it'd have to be more vacation time cause rules on where you can be working for me. I think it was easier when I just didn't bring it up and didn't hear about it a year or two ago lol.
 
easyrider said:
I couldn't believe that Crown Royal cost close to $40.00 with the taxes this weekend. I bought it anyway because it's what I like. I can only imagine the cost of Jack Daniels in Canada must be way too high.

Bill
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I just bought 1.14 L. of Crown Royal at the duty free store for $12.66 (it was on sale and you had to buy four to get that price). That's what our charge was on the credit card.
 
JoeWilly said:
I just bought 1.14 L. of Crown Royal at the duty free store for $12.66 (it was on sale and you had to buy four to get that price). That's what our charge was on the credit card.
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Love those Duty Free Stores !!!!

Bill
 
mountainboy said:
This is about Las Vegas's economy & travel impacted in 2025...
A vendor who sold 21k on a Saturday last year, only sold 3k worth of goods on a Saturday this summer, >80% less... (extreme example but shows the impact on local economy... Visitor numbers down 11%)...
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Blame the Canucks!

"Las Vegas’s roughly 5 million international visitors, 1.4 million were Canadian, making Canada the largest source of international visitation"
 
Brett said:
Blame the Canucks!

"Las Vegas’s roughly 5 million international visitors, 1.4 million were Canadian, making Canada the largest source of international visitation"
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Only 18% drop in Canadians, so 82% still coming despite the significant tariffs & associated economic pain, so grateful for those who come.
Hope folks resolve these issues soon, so we can have more of them come, again...
TY!
 
mountainboy said:
Only 18% drop in Canadians, so 82% still coming despite the significant tariffs & associated economic pain, so grateful for those who come.
Hope folks resolve these issues soon, so we can have more of them come, again...
TY!
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Yeah, posts that seem to try to indicate doom and gloom caused by one single thing are interesting. Las Vegas has about 40 million visitors a year. If 5 million are international and 1.4 were Canadian, that would mean the 18% of Canadians who aren't coming account for a mere 250,000 visitors. That is less than 3/4 of one percent of all Vegas visitors. What is happening in the Vegas tourism market is far broader than a single segment of the traveling public. There are many other things leading to the big downturn in people going to Las Vegas.
 
dioxide45 said:
Yeah, posts that seem to try to indicate doom and gloom caused by one single thing are interesting. Las Vegas has about 40 million visitors a year. If 5 million are international and 1.4 were Canadian, that would mean the 18% of Canadians who aren't coming account for a mere 250,000 visitors. That is less than 3/4 of one percent of all Vegas visitors. What is happening in the Vegas tourism market is far broader than a single segment of the traveling public. There are many other things leading to the big downturn in people going to Las Vegas.
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Yes, there are many factors but some articles indicate the decline is due to ....... (redacted )



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Brett said:
Yes, there are many factors but some articles indicate the decline is due to ....... (redacted )



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The problem is, it isn't because of one single thing. It is many compounding factors. To say that 1.4 million of travelers to Las Vegas are Canadian doesn't really provide the full scope. Only about 250,000 of those people chose not to go to Las Vegas. They are but a blip in the overall numbers. Anyone trying to put the issue on one single factor is simply trying to push an agenda.
 
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dioxide45 said:
The problem is, it isn't because of one single thing. It is many computing factors. To say that 1.4 million of travelers to Las Vegas are Canadian doesn't really provide the full scope. Only about 250,000 of those people chose not to go to Las Vegas. They are but a blip in the overall numbers. Anyone trying to put the issue on one single factor is simply trying to push an agenda.
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Of course the decline is due to many factors.
Anyone can put "decline of Las Vegas tourism" in their favorite search 'engine' and look at the results.
And anyone can look at the ranking of those factors about Las Vegas tourism.
 
It may be that what hit Atlantic City is now hitting Las Vegas - there's less reason to go as gambling is way more accessible, and it's super expensive. Consumer preferences are changing - one thing I saw is similar to what the ARDA reports say - that Millennials and Gen Z are more interested in experiential tourism. Whatever that means, I thought all of tourism was generally about the experience. I guess my reading between the lines shows more interest in interactive events than just shows, and I'd guess that the pandemic exposed a lot of people to nature vs city focused trips, and it seems to have stuck with some portion of the populace. This seems borne out by the packed national parks. Even within Timesharing, it's a lot cheaper to go to the Great Smoky mountains and spend a few days in the parks and walking around the quaint shopping areas than it is to pay to see Vegas shows for 2-6 people and shop in the uber luxury casino attached shops, so it ties back to Vegas being a luxury destination to many people's POV.
 
Many different reasons why Las Vegas is slumping. Fact is, in July domestic travel to Vegas was down 5.9%, while international was 3.8%...year over year domestic travel is down a lot more than international (3rd paragraph) https://cdcgaming.com/las-vegas-airport-traffic-dips-in-july/

I'm in Vegas now, leaving tonight after 2 and a half weeks here. First 3 nights at Planet Hollywood on the strip. Comped room, but prices of everything was ridiculous. Went to abc store and got our snacks and water, a big gamble to buy them in the hotel shops as there are no prices, so everything is surge pricing.

Sept 20th moved to timeshare, Cliffs at Peace Canyon in Summerlin. Gorgeous here, quiet, $50 for week resort fee. We do not rent a car, shuttle is included which goes to many locations, and several times per day to grocery store.

So much cheaper and restful being at a timeshare as always, this is our 4th or 5th time at this location, our favourite now. Stayed at many other timeshares in Vegas, but keep coming back to this one.

The price gouging is what is keeping visitors away. Surcharges, Concession fees, Mandatory tips, it's out of control. But there is value to be had, just not at most places on the strip. Caesars properties are out of control with all their celebrity restaurants, with the prices reflecting this. A lot of restaurants, Caesars properties, mgm properties, others, that have their menu on the screen outside the restaurant, do not even show prices, as most hotel casino online menus don't show prices either.

You already have the set up for Formula 1 closing lanes and the front of Bellagio fountains, and it will only get worse into November.

Sure westjet and air canada are down, they have been for a couple years. The new better airline, Porter, is taking a lot of their passengers for good. 2 flights a day to Vegas most days now, and adding more locations monthly.

Then there's the biggie for a lot of us, our Canadian exchange rate. It's ranging between 1.42 and 1.44 for each u.s. dollar we purchase. Then if we use our credit cards while here, we also get an extra 2.5% conversion fee added on top.

So it is many things keeping visitors away from Vegas. Many casinos now are offering specials in order to entice people back, and Vegas has a new campaign. https://www.foxnews.com/travel/tour...s-vegas-offer-citywide-discounts-hotels-shows

You're only hearing one side of the media reports, blah blah blah political. Maybe in some cases, but for most it's a lot of other things, as shown by the domestic travel being down even more than international.
 
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The NY Times has an article on this today: What's Wrong With Las Vegas?
(used gift link, so should be accessible)
They cite multiple factors mentioned above: international travel is down, especially Canada, most prices sky rocketed during the travel explosion after the pandemic, folks can gamble online from home now.
 
magmue said:
The NY Times has an article on this today: What's Wrong With Las Vegas?
(used gift link, so should be accessible)
They cite multiple factors mentioned above: international travel is down, especially Canada, most prices sky rocketed during the travel explosion after the pandemic, folks can gamble online from home now.
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yes, it's accessible and the link was also in post #62
(but don't blame Canada !! ;)
 
Brett said:
yes, it's accessible and the link was also in post #62
(but don't blame Canada !! ;)
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It is all coastal Virginia's fault. :LOL:
 
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