CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

[DeniseM]

NEW THREAD HERE:

https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/n...ew-abound-vsn-documents-posted-online.343214/

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Here is a link to the discussion on the Marriott forum - be nice over there, we may be adopted by them soon!

Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana and Marriott Ownerships

 

[Ken555]

we may be adopted by them soon!

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[jabberwocky]

I guess we'll have to settle for being the ugly stepchildren

 

[daviator]

I guess we'll have to settle for being the ugly stepchildren

I will think of THEM as the ugly stepchildren. Our properties are (mostly) nicer.

 

[SueDonJ]

Stepchildren aren't all bad. I refuse to sweep the floor after any of you but will be happy to sew you a beautiful ballgown if you're nice to me.

 

[DeniseM]

Ha Ha! That makes you our Fairy God Mother!

 

[emeryjre]

It will be interesting. Own both Marriott and Vistana deeded weeks. so if this point thing is not a great deal, at least I have my weeks. And they will have to pry them away.

 

[dioxide45]

I just noticed this on a Vistana.com reservation we made today with StarOptions. The email is now coming from a Marriott Vacation Club address and has the look of the Marriott Vacation Club confirmations. I went back through some old confirmations we had and as of early November, it was still coming from Vistana Signature Experiences. Has anyone else noticed this? Perhaps a sign of the integration?

New Confirmation;

Old confirmation;

 

[Ken555]

I just noticed this on a Vistana.com reservation we made today with StarOptions. The email is now coming from a Marriott Vacation Club address and has the look of the Marriott Vacation Club confirmations. I went back through some old confirmations we had and as of early November, it was still coming from Vistana Signature Experiences. Has anyone else noticed this? Perhaps a sign of the integration?

New Confirmation;
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Old confirmation;
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There are several posts about this earlier this week.


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[dioxide45]

There are several posts about this earlier this week.


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Yeah, looks like I missed it;

New reservation email

I’m at SVR now. When I checked into the resort they handed me a piece of paper outlining potential issue during my stay due to a major upgrade to the reservation system today in order to become more compatible with Marriott. In passing I asked if this was due to a combined program for...

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[jabberwocky]

Actually I think some resorts may have started doing this in December. A few of us with reservations at WDW received confirmations.

At the time they looked like they were being generated by the Marriott Bonvoy hotel side. The address and format are identical to those I receive for regular hotel stays.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

It will be interesting. Own both Marriott and Vistana deeded weeks. so if this point thing is not a great deal, at least I have my weeks. And they will have to pry them away.

I feel the same way you do. If it involves significant money then we will simply enjoy what we have. We don't trade our unit, it is mandatory and trades in SOs so no matter what they cook up we are fine.

 

[bogey21]

I feel the same way you do. If it involves significant money then we will simply enjoy what we have. We don't trade our unit, it is mandatory and trades in SOs so no matter what they cook up we are fine.

The beauty of owning Weeks...

George

 

[dioxide45]

So it looks like Hilton is providing some kind of waiver at their presentations (perhaps if you buy) that you must sign indicating that any verbal information about their new program is not guaranteed. With all the talk at VIstana presentations about said new program and oral promises that the purchase of Sheraton or Westin Flex will get you into whatever new program Marriott cooks up, I wonder why they aren't having buyers sign something similar?

HGV Max - Diamond Integration Discussion in Owner Update

Attended my first Hilton update in NY today (1/16/22) as an all resale owner (thanks for the $250 towards MFs for 30 minutes). Salesman was pushing trading in my gold 1 BR at The District for a Platinum studio at The Quin for $26K. Part of the pitch was inclusion of the upcoming HGV Max...

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[jabberwocky]

So it looks like Hilton is providing some kind of waiver at their presentations (perhaps if you buy) that you must sign indicating that any verbal information about their new program is not guaranteed. With all the talk at VIstana presentations about said new program and oral promises that the purchase of Sheraton or Westin Flex will get you into whatever new program Marriott cooks up, I wonder why they aren't having buyers sign something similar?

HGV Max - Diamond Integration Discussion in Owner Update

Attended my first Hilton update in NY today (1/16/22) as an all resale owner (thanks for the $250 towards MFs for 30 minutes). Salesman was pushing trading in my gold 1 BR at The District for a Platinum studio at The Quin for $26K. Part of the pitch was inclusion of the upcoming HGV Max...

tugbbs.com

Don't the Vistana contracts already have a clause in them that says that the document you are signing is the full contract and any verbal representations given in a presentation should not be relied upon or be considered part of the contract? I thought I had to initial beside a line that included that when I made my Flex purchase.

 

[dioxide45]

Don't the Vistana contracts already have a clause in them that says that the document you are signing is the full contract and any verbal representations given in a presentation should not be relied upon or be considered part of the contract? I thought I had to initial beside a line that included that when I made my Flex purchase.

They do, but I would also expect the standard HGV contract to have the same. It seems odd that Hilton is putting out this separate document to sign.

 

[daviator]

They do, but I would also expect the standard HGV contract to have the same. It seems odd that Hilton is putting out this separate document to sign.

Just in case you need the Legaleze to English translation of that document, here's what it means in English:

"We may have lied to you, possibly many times and on a variety of subjects, during the presentation. Don't believe anything we said unless it's in the contract. If you rely on anything we told you, that's on you. We reserve the right to deny even having met you."

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

As a Kierland owner joining a combined program makes no sense if our unit is devalued as much as they claim. If it equals the points a comparable Marriott in the Desert is that would maybe get us a few days in Hawaii. We would need to buy a lot of Marriott points to use our week as we do now. We can try at 8 mos and use it as we do now but it will be tough to get in.If we need to we will rent Kierland and pay for a condo. We will adapt. Luckily we already have summer reservations. Our salesman kept saying it would be fair but that the above scenario was fair.

 

[dioxide45]

As a Kierland owner joining a combined program makes no sense if our unit is devalued as much as they claim. If it equals the points a comparable Marriott in the Desert is that would maybe get us a few days in Hawaii. We would need to buy a lot of Marriott points to use our week as we do now. We can try at 8 mos and use it as we do now but it will be tough to get in.If we need to we will rent Kierland and pay for a condo. We will adapt. Luckily we already have summer reservations. Our salesman kept saying it would be fair but that the above scenario was fair.

I think this is the biggest challenge for a new program with how Vistana valued their seasons with the same StarOption value across many resorts. Certainly Marriott could value the desert properties more in line with the other Marriott ones there. One could say you can still use StarOptions to book Hawaii as you do now, but Many Hawaii owners may opt for DC points if they afford them more value. There is no easy way to balance a new system with the current setup.

 

[chemteach]

The main benefit I see of joining DC would be having the ability to rent in DC points. Other than that, anyone who owns non-Hawaii, non-St. John, non-Harborside weeks would likely not deposit their week into the DC system because much more value is received within the current Vistana system for WKV, WMH, WDW owners as compared with Marriott Palm Desert owners in the DC system.

 

[Mowogo]

The main benefit I see of joining DC would be having the ability to rent in DC points. Other than that, anyone who owns non-Hawaii, non-St. John, non-Harborside weeks would likely not deposit their week into the DC system because much more value is received within the current Vistana system for WKV, WMH, WDW owners as compared with Marriott Palm Desert owners in the DC system.

Those that form TUG and maximize would be resistant, but we have to remember that we are only a very small minority of timeshare owners. Quite a few owners could see the added flexibility with the additional resorts, and if it gave access at the DC booking windows could potentially make the negative conversions more palatable, especially for Flex owners.

 

[lorenmd]

we went to a marriott owner's update last week and a vistana owner's update today. we are at our home resort and know these salespeople quite well. what we are getting is there will be a totally new name. there is a soft launch end of february. marriott is pulling out of II. westin flex, sheraton flex ,adventuras and nanea will be convertible to the new marriott points per vistana salespeople. the marriott salespeople said no they will not. Vistana sales is adamant that those 4 trust systems will be allowed in marriott and at this point they said no fee. they do not know if at some point in network VO will be able to convert to marriott points. so, we were offered to trade in a week at kierland and and every other week at SDO both one bedrooms, total of 120k SO annually, for an additional 15k and retro two one bedroom SDO units i bought for a dollar, to add 148k SO to my account. so i give up 120k SO and 15k and receive 126k westin flex and 148k SO. also 200k bonvoy points and 4 of the vouchers to buy bonvoy points. i live and breath bonvoy points so that was a big deal. i think i looks like a favorable deal for what we want. we used to stay at SDO using company 47 staroptions chart which is only 44k/week. well we bought a house here so we no longer need SDO or kierland. what say you TUG. 15k is not a lot to get 148k SO and be in the trust with 126k SO instead of just in the network SO.

 

[vacationtime1]

we went to a marriott owner's update last week and a vistana owner's update today. we are at our home resort and know these salespeople quite well. what we are getting is there will be a totally new name. there is a soft launch end of february. marriott is pulling out of II. westin flex, sheraton flex ,adventuras and nanea will be convertible to the new marriott points per vistana salespeople. the marriott salespeople said no they will not. Vistana sales is adamant that those 4 trust systems will be allowed in marriott and at this point they said no fee. they do not know if at some point in network VO will be able to convert to marriott points. so, we were offered to trade in a week at kierland and and every other week at SDO both one bedrooms, total of 120k SO annually, for an additional 15k and retro two one bedroom SDO units i bought for a dollar, to add 148k SO to my account. so i give up 120k SO and 15k and receive 126k westin flex and 148k SO. also 200k bonvoy points and 4 of the vouchers to buy bonvoy points. i live and breath bonvoy points so that was a big deal. i think i looks like a favorable deal for what we want. we used to stay at SDO using company 47 staroptions chart which is only 44k/week. well we bought a house here so we no longer need SDO or kierland. what say you TUG. 15k is not a lot to get 148k SO and be in the trust with 126k SO instead of just in the network SO.

How many of these representations about convertibility into the new system are in writing? I suspect none. So why pay $15K?

 

[daviator]

we went to a marriott owner's update last week and a vistana owner's update today. we are at our home resort and know these salespeople quite well. what we are getting is there will be a totally new name. there is a soft launch end of february. marriott is pulling out of II. westin flex, sheraton flex ,adventuras and nanea will be convertible to the new marriott points per vistana salespeople. the marriott salespeople said no they will not. Vistana sales is adamant that those 4 trust systems will be allowed in marriott and at this point they said no fee. they do not know if at some point in network VO will be able to convert to marriott points. so, we were offered to trade in a week at kierland and and every other week at SDO both one bedrooms, total of 120k SO annually, for an additional 15k and retro two one bedroom SDO units i bought for a dollar, to add 148k SO to my account. so i give up 120k SO and 15k and receive 126k westin flex and 148k SO. also 200k bonvoy points and 4 of the vouchers to buy bonvoy points. i live and breath bonvoy points so that was a big deal. i think i looks like a favorable deal for what we want. we used to stay at SDO using company 47 staroptions chart which is only 44k/week. well we bought a house here so we no longer need SDO or kierland. what say you TUG. 15k is not a lot to get 148k SO and be in the trust with 126k SO instead of just in the network SO.

It seems likely that this same sort of deal will still be available in a month, after the supposed soft launch. This idea that you have to buy now or the deal is going to disappear, that's the oldest sales technique in the book. Trust me, you can wait until all is revealed, and they will still be happy to take your money.

 

[elysium5]

It seems likely that this same sort of deal will still be available in a month, after the supposed soft launch. This idea that you have to buy now or the deal is going to disappear, that's the oldest sales technique in the book. Trust me, you can wait until all is revealed, and they will still be happy to take your money.

Who would think that a timeshare salesperson would take your money at any time?!