Thinking about resale Wyndham

[TjTraveler]

I agree the extra vacations cash option is also a good value at times. If you have a flexible schedule and can travel during the value weeks booking RCI is a great value also. Wyndham Grand Desert for 1 week with Wyndham at 154,000 ( 154K points * ($4.87/K pts + $0.62/K pts) = $834.68. But if you have a flexible travel schedule and can plan ahead deposit all 154,000 points in RCI to get a additional week in value season for the cost of 2 reservation fees of $239ea or a total of $478 ( 154K points * ($4.87/K pts + $0.62/K pts) = $834.68 + $239 +$239 = $1312.68 or a additional $478 for the additional week. The key is to learn the system and make it work for your travel needs or personal situation. Of course this will not work if you need a 3 bedroom presidential at Bonnet Creek during Easter but value can be found under certain circumstances.

I got the 154k Bi Odd and 84,000 annual from TS Nation. I'm on the hunt for good deals. Thanks for posting about the flexibility.... I am very flexible.

 

[TjTraveler]

TS Nation has a Bali Hai fixed week on their site. Can that be converted to points yearly or is it stuck where it is at?

 

[cbyrne1174]

Great example of using RCI to book a 2 bedroom on sale for 77,000 vs normal 165,000 points. There are a lot very nice resorts outside of Wyndham including HGVC that weekly stays can be booked at 1/2 points vs booking a Wyndham reservation. If you are a Wyndham resale owner and want to double or get the most vacation time out of 154,000 Wyndham points RCI is a good option even with the additional $239 reservation fee. If you are VIP and could book in the 50% discount window then RCI may not work as well for you.

That's why I don't find value in a retail Wyndham purchase. I understand that it's where their profit comes from, I just don't want to be the one to give it to them in that way. I will spend money in restaurants/bars while I am at their resorts for convenience and buy guest certificates for my rentals, but no way in hell would I ever spend the $143,000 that my points retail for now, let alone $27,000 to PIC to Gold. There are other ways, cheaper ways, to find value.

 

[cbyrne1174]

TS Nation has a Bali Hai fixed week on their site. Can that be converted to points yearly or is it stuck where it is at?

Stuck

 

[TjTraveler]

That's why I don't find value in a retail Wyndham purchase. I understand that it's where their profit comes from, I just don't want to be the one to give it to them in that way. I will spend money in restaurants/bars while I am at their resorts for convenience and buy guest certificates for my rentals, but no way in hell would I ever spend the $143,000 that my points retail for now, let alone $27,000 to PIC to Gold. There are other ways, cheaper ways, to find value.

Yep. I used to work in the field setting appointments. Never buy retail.

 

[cbyrne1174]

I got the 154k Bi Odd and 84,000 annual from TS Nation. I'm on the hunt for good deals. Thanks for posting about the flexibility.... I am very flexible.

I'd stick with just those for now. For WM, I'd go on WMowners.com and TUG and message the people who are selling really big accounts and ask if they will be will to break off 5,000 credits for $0.15 a credit and you will pay the transfer/closing fee. The one on TUG listed 65,000 credits on 4/27 would benefit from breaking off 5,000 credits from what they are trying to sell. A perfect multiple of 10,000 always sells the easiest because of the housekeeping credit rule.

 

[dgalati]

I mainly find value getting into Saratoga Springs. The Hilton properties charge $25/day plus exchange fees and end up being around $1000/week in a 1 bedroom. SSR is also $1000/week but that's MUCH cheaper than actually owning DVC.

Holiday Inn and Bluegreen has *few* nice properties. If you want to exchange into Hilton though, you're better off picking up a platinum Elara deed or something.

I noticed the daily $25 fee for Hilton at the Flamingo and Trump Tower last year when booking Vegas March of 2020. I thought it was just a Vegas resort fee that all the resorts on the strip charge daily. I ended up booking the Grand Desert instead with no $25 fee. The $25 daily fee is BS. IMHO

 

[cbyrne1174]

I noticed the daily $25 fee for Hilton at the Flamingo and Trump Tower last year when booking Vegas March of 2020. I thought it was just a Vegas resort fee that all the resorts on the strip charge daily. I ended up booking the Grand Desert instead with no $25 fee. The $25 daily fee is BS. IMHO

Yea all the Orlando locations have the stupid $25 fee, making it not worth it. The pools at the HIlton Orlando location suck anyways. None of them have a lazy river and only 1 of them has a water slide.

 

[dgalati]

That's why I don't find value in a retail Wyndham purchase. I understand that it's where their profit comes from, I just don't want to be the one to give it to them in that way. I will spend money in restaurants/bars while I am at their resorts for convenience and buy guest certificates for my rentals, but no way in hell would I ever spend the $143,000 that my points retail for now, let alone $27,000 to PIC to Gold. There are other ways, cheaper ways, to find value.

Exactly my thoughts also. Not that I couldn't pay full Developer price to get to VIP if I wanted it but I just can't justify the sunk cost. Only way to VIP for me is if I inherited it. I have found ways to make resale points work at a lower cost then buying developer points. On many occasions renting in the 60 day discount window would be less then paying maintenance fees on my Grand Desert points. Renting may not work over the next year as well as it did in the past but I am also not tied to maintenance fees without the ability to book reservations this year. Learn the system and make it work for whatever your situation calls for. Unfortunately Wyndham can change club rules without notice so be prepared to change your use strategy or ownership as rules change.

 

[dgalati]

I got the 154k Bi Odd and 84,000 annual from TS Nation. I'm on the hunt for good deals. Thanks for posting about the flexibility.... I am very flexible.

Be Patient and wait for the lower cost maintenance fee deeds. You will find many Grand Desert deeds without closing costs or resort transfer fees for under $100.

 

[TjTraveler]

Be Patient and wait for the lower cost maintenance fee deeds. You will find many Grand Desert deeds without closing costs or resort transfer fees for under $100.

Yeah I've seen contracts being given away with $450 in fees per contract. I'm being careful and strategic in what I'll take. Lots of distressed deeds coming.

 

[cbyrne1174]

Small Worldmark deeds are harder to come by. 5,000 is the best starting amount. It's enough to basically get you an account and 1 free housekeeping a year. However many more points you need in a year to make you reservation, you can just rent the points from another owner. If your trip next year costs 13k credits, you rent exactly 8k with nothing left over. If it takes 12k the next year, then you rent 7k credits. If you dont take a trip that year, then you just bank your 5k and combine it with another 5k the following year and rent any extra points you need. Renting WM credits is cheaper than owning them if you dont take a lot of vacations.

 

[dgalati]

Small Worldmark deeds are harder to come by. 5,000 is the best starting amount. It's enough to basically get you an account and 1 free housekeeping a year. However many more points you need in a year to make you reservation, you can just rent the points from another owner. If your trip next year costs 13k credits, you rent exactly 8k with nothing left over. If it takes 12k the next year, then you rent 7k credits. If you dont take a trip that year, then you just bank your 5k and combine it with another 5k the following year and rent any extra points you need. Renting WM credits is cheaper than owning them if you dont take a lot of vacations.

Explain the bonus time.

 

[cbyrne1174]

Whatever inventory remains 14 days out, you can pay using cash up to 4 nights. The cost is $72 per thousand plus tax and housekeeping is included in this amount. This is also the rate for inventory specials that start 2 months out for locations that still have a lot of inventory. You can only have one "weekend only" bonus time reservation each quarter. Inventory specials dont have a 4 night or weekend only limit. You can see current inventory specials on the worldmark website.

 

[Richelle]

TS Nation has a Bali Hai fixed week on their site. Can that be converted to points yearly or is it stuck where it is at?

Stuck

Actually, I don't believe so. It took a lot of leg work and patience, but I finally got an answer. You can in fact convert a fixed week without buying more points. However, it's a $2,395 fee. It will not count towards VIP though if it was obtained anywhere other then Wyndham.

 

[cbyrne1174]

Here is the link where you can rent Worldmark credits from other owners. Usually it's $0.07 per credit, but with Covid, the prices are really low:

Credits for Rent (Out)

Owners offering WorldMark one-time-use credits for rent (out)

www.wmowners.com

 

[geist1223]

I think he meant $0.07.

 

[Eric B]

I think he meant $0.07.

She.

 

[cbyrne1174]

I fixed it

 

[MikeandLisaR]

Can we use resale points at WM if combined with developer points? We have 28000 annual Access & 210,000 odd Canterbury developer & 308,000 Canterbury resale even.

 

[cbyrne1174]

You can only book Club Pass up to the amount of "qualified" points that you own. You will pay a $99 reservation fee and only have access to the leftover inventory.

The good WM locations book up before Club Wyndham owners have access. That's why you're better off just getting WM resale, even if it's a small account. You can always rent WM credits from other owners for cheap, then make your own booking 13 months out using a mixture between your points and their points.

 

[MikeandLisaR]

You can only book Club Pass up to the amount of "qualified" points that you own. You will pay a $99 reservation fee and only have access to the leftover inventory.

The good WM locations book up before Club Wyndham owners have access. That's why you're better off just getting WM resale, even if it's a small account. You can always rent WM credits from other owners for cheap, then make your own booking 13 months out using a mixture between your points and their points.

Can "qualified" points be combined with WM resale points?

 

[cbyrne1174]

Can "qualified" points be combined with WM resale points?

Not on the same reservation. They're two separate accounts and systems. 16,400 Club Wyndham points equals 1,000 WM credits. If you want to book WM, use that ratio as a reference. It's not cost effective using Club Pass because of the $99 fee. If you want to stay at WM regularly then buy a WM account. They're pretty cheap right now. I've seen 13 cents a credit when it was 20 cents a credit at the beginning of the year.