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Thinking about resale Wyndham

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Where can I learn about any restrictions?

I'm from California and will use the points in the western US and Orlando. I'd like a 1 bed for 1 or 2 weeks a year.
 

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If you live in the West you may want to consider Worldmark over Wyndham, as they have more locations on the west portion of the country.
 

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Resale points cannot be used for WorldMark locations with the exception of RCI. You can deposit points into RCI and use them for Wyndham and WorldMark location (and plenty more). However, the inventory for each is limited and hard to get. Also, the fee to book RCI reservations $239. The fee to book Club Wyndham resorts is free for a set number of times based on your membership, and $19 or $29 online or over the phone respectively if you run out of free ones. They do not count towards VIP status. They cannot be converted to Wyndham rewards points. If you do not currently have a retail purchase, you will not have plus partners which include RCI Nightly Stays. Resale owners have to book full weeks with a few exceptions. Some resorts have a separate ID for 3-night stays and 5-night stays. Otherwise, you have to do a full week. Retail owners with Plus partners can book individual nights for a smaller fee at RCI Nightly Stays participating resorts.

Resale does not affect your ARP or limit your access to specific rooms, despite what the salespeople try to tell you.
 

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Thanks! I'm thinking I like the Wyndham Resorts better. They seem a little nicer.
 

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I like Oceanside, Anaheim, Bonnet Creek and Grand Desert so far.
 

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You can't book the "WorldMark" locations with a "Club Wyndham" resale membership. That's the only restriction you will have that really matters. Based on your credentials, you probably want to look into owning a small Worldmark ownership first (10,000 points). They are more concentrated on the west coast and you can also stay in a 1 bedroom at Kingstown reef in Orlando. The annual dues are $914.56 and it's enough points for 1 week a year in a one or two bedroom. If you need more points then that, you can always rent points from other Worldmark owners for around $70-$75 per thousand or use their cash options for around $72 per thousand plus tax (Monday Madness, Inventory Special and Bonus Time). Point rentals are a really easy process on WMowners.com

After being a WM owner for a little bit, you can consider if you want to add Club Wyndham to your portfolio. You will get a free RCI account with it and have access to Bonnet Creek for Orlando. You can also use the free RCI account to trade into a 1 bedroom at Saratoga Springs if you are flexible with your dates (fall and holiday weeks are hard to find). A lot of people don't realize that it's actually really beneficial to be a member of both clubs. The point charts aren't always equal dollar for dollar. For example, if you want to stay at Reunion in Orlando in a 3 bedroom, it's cheaper to use Worldmark points in the summer and Christmas, but cheaper to use Club Wyndham points during all other times.

The benefit of a retail purchase is if you are in it for the long haul, at least 20 years for VIP benefits to give you a net savings. It requires at least $27,000 upfront and yearly maintenance fees of $3,500-$4,000 to have a decent VIP level (not worth it in my opinion).

A dual ownership (Worldmark/Club Wyndham) can substitute the majority of what a retail purchase offers. If you buy retail, you aren't blocked between clubs because you can use Club Pass (Pay a $99 exchange fee to book Worldmark locations using Club Wyndham points). If you buy into both systems, you can have access to all the resorts without having to pay a $99 exchange fee. So my advice would be to pick the system that's more concentrated in your area (Worldmark) and decide if adding Club Wyndham is beneficial for you.
 

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I like Oceanside, Anaheim, Bonnet Creek and Grand Desert so far.

Just look at the Worldmark Fiji, Coral Baja (in Mexico), Yellowstone (in Montana) and Whistler (in British Columbia). You can't access those resorts with Club Wyndham points and there's no equivalent Club Wyndham resort for each location.
 

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Thanks! I'm thinking I like the Wyndham Resorts better. They seem a little nicer.
Generally speaking, and acknowledging my limited experience, I hold the same POV about Wyndham usually being nicer than Worldmark BUT I still have a lot of each to visit.

Our TS experience started in the east and is working its way west.
 

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If you buy 10,000 Worldmark credits and 300,000 Club Wyndham points, that's enough to get you 3 weeks a year (1 Worldmark, 2 Club Wyndham)and will cost you about $2,500 a year in maintenance fees. The purchase price of 10,000 Worldmark credits is about $2,000 right now and 300,000 Grand Desert points can be had for about $500, so it's a $2,500 buy in cost and $2,500 in annual dues. That will give you access to 100% of resorts without making a retail purchase.
 

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Generally speaking, and acknowledging my limited experience, I hold the same POV about Wyndham usually being nicer than Worldmark BUT I still have a lot of each to visit.

Our TS experience started in the east and is working its way west.

I agree, but based on the feedback I am looking at both. Where are the best places to buy contracts at a good price?
 

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If you buy 10,000 Worldmark credits and 300,000 Club Wyndham points, that's enough to get you 3 weeks a year (1 Worldmark, 2 Club Wyndham)and will cost you about $2,500 a year in maintenance fees. The purchase price of 10,000 Worldmark credits is about $2,000 right now and 300,000 Grand Desert points can be had for about $500, so it's a $2,500 buy in cost and $2,500 in annual dues. That will give you access to 100% of resorts without making a retail purchase.

I might do this.... with my job flexibility I have the vacation time to take advantage of this.
 

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Timeshare Nation still has 2 free Grand Desert deeds listed on their inventory. I would snatch those two up if they're still available. The maintenance fees are pretty low there (bottom 30%).

contact info: jared@timesharenation.com

Since one of the deed's is an even use year, you can use Worldmark points to travel in the odd years. The Worldmark system lets you bank and borrow.
 

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I agree, but based on the feedback I am looking at both. Where are the best places to buy contracts at a good price?

Wyndham has been improving the Worldmark resorts over time. Trestwest (now Worldmark) was a lower tier than Fairfield (now Club Wyndham) before Wyndham purchased each system. Over time I think they will equal out.
 

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Timeshare Nation still has 2 free Grand Desert deeds listed on their inventory. I would snatch those two up if they're still available. The maintenance fees are pretty low there (bottom 30%).

contact info: jared@timesharenation.com

Since one of the deeds is an even use year, you can use Worldmark points to travel in the odd years. The Worldmark system lets you bank and borrow.

Thanks, I sent an email. We will see what happens.
 

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I agree, but based on the feedback I am looking at both. Where are the best places to buy contracts at a good price?

You might check the TUG marketplace at


You can limit the search to either Wyndham or WorldMark by searching for either name in the field at the top of the listing. There are several fairly attractively priced WorldMark contracts on their right now, but look at the transfer costs. If it's still there in a few months after one I picked up on Timeshare Nation for free transfers there is one that would fit nicely combined with my other ones. The beauty of the WorldMark side is that you don't have to do a lot of research about which resort to buy since all the fees are the same. Additionally, if you want more points you have the option of renting from another owner at a decent price or picking up a different TS with an inexpensive high demand week that you can deposit in RCI or II and convert to WorldMark credits - you can do this with a resale WorldMark account, but not with a resale Wyndham account.

If you choose to go the Wyndham route instead, do your homework and pick a resort with a low point cost. @HDiaz1 put together a google docs spreadsheet of the MFs that have been reported here that is a great resource; it's available at:


Canterbury and Bali Hai are regularly two of the lowest ones; you will periodically see them on eBay. They cost a bit more than the higher fee resorts because there are people that also do their homework and look at this as a long-term proposition. From that perspective, the fees at Bali Hai get you about a 38% discount for a vacation cost as compared to the Club Wyndham Access fees, but again do your own due diligence. There are converted week contracts out there for a lot of the resorts that have different point costs than the standard ones; you can figure out the point cost in $ per 1,000 points, which is the typical comparison, generally by subtracting $180 per year from the MF quoted (that is the minimum Wyndham program fee) and dividing by the number of thousand-points up to about 282,000 points; above that it would be the MF divided by the thousand-points minus $0.64, which is the Club Wyndham Plus program fee. As a resale owner, you would be paying a program fee of $0.62 per thousand points, bringing it up close to the quoted MF for larger contracts or the same for smaller contracts.

As @cbyrne1174 mentioned, Grand Desert ones are typically on the lower side of resort costs. When you hear back from TSN, as for a copy of the estoppel and figure out if those are good ones to pick up. I saw them there and didn't find those ones particularly attractive because they are kind of small accounts that won't get you a decent amount of usage unless you pick up several. There is a converted Bali Hai week on the TUG Marketplace with a biennial 308,000 points that would cost you more initially, but has a lower MF that might be a better starter one in Wyndham.
 

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You might check the TUG marketplace at


You can limit the search to either Wyndham or WorldMark by searching for either name in the field at the top of the listing. There are several fairly attractively priced WorldMark contracts on their right now, but look at the transfer costs. If it's still there in a few months after one I picked up on Timeshare Nation for free transfers there is one that would fit nicely combined with my other ones. The beauty of the WorldMark side is that you don't have to do a lot of research about which resort to buy since all the fees are the same. Additionally, if you want more points you have the option of renting from another owner at a decent price or picking up a different TS with an inexpensive high demand week that you can deposit in RCI or II and convert to WorldMark credits - you can do this with a resale WorldMark account, but not with a resale Wyndham account.

If you choose to go the Wyndham route instead, do your homework and pick a resort with a low point cost. @HDiaz1 put together a google docs spreadsheet of the MFs that have been reported here that is a great resource; it's available at:


Canterbury and Bali Hai are regularly two of the lowest ones; you will periodically see them on eBay. They cost a bit more than the higher fee resorts because there are people that also do their homework and look at this as a long-term proposition. From that perspective, the fees at Bali Hai get you about a 38% discount for a vacation cost as compared to the Club Wyndham Access fees, but again do your own due diligence. There are converted week contracts out there for a lot of the resorts that have different point costs than the standard ones; you can figure out the point cost in $ per 1,000 points, which is the typical comparison, generally by subtracting $180 per year from the MF quoted (that is the minimum Wyndham program fee) and dividing by the number of thousand-points up to about 282,000 points; above that it would be the MF divided by the thousand-points minus $0.64, which is the Club Wyndham Plus program fee. As a resale owner, you would be paying a program fee of $0.62 per thousand points, bringing it up close to the quoted MF for larger contracts or the same for smaller contracts.

As @cbyrne1174 mentioned, Grand Desert ones are typically on the lower side of resort costs. When you hear back from TSN, as for a copy of the estoppel and figure out if those are good ones to pick up. I saw them there and didn't find those ones particularly attractive because they are kind of small accounts that won't get you a decent amount of usage unless you pick up several. There is a converted Bali Hai week on the TUG Marketplace with a biennial 308,000 points that would cost you more initially, but has a lower MF that might be a better starter one in Wyndham.

I'm not seeing the Bali Hai contract, must have been sold. Thanks for all the amazing info!
 

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You might check the TUG marketplace at


You can limit the search to either Wyndham or WorldMark by searching for either name in the field at the top of the listing. There are several fairly attractively priced WorldMark contracts on their right now, but look at the transfer costs. If it's still there in a few months after one I picked up on Timeshare Nation for free transfers there is one that would fit nicely combined with my other ones. The beauty of the WorldMark side is that you don't have to do a lot of research about which resort to buy since all the fees are the same. Additionally, if you want more points you have the option of renting from another owner at a decent price or picking up a different TS with an inexpensive high demand week that you can deposit in RCI or II and convert to WorldMark credits - you can do this with a resale WorldMark account, but not with a resale Wyndham account.

If you choose to go the Wyndham route instead, do your homework and pick a resort with a low point cost. @HDiaz1 put together a google docs spreadsheet of the MFs that have been reported here that is a great resource; it's available at:


Canterbury and Bali Hai are regularly two of the lowest ones; you will periodically see them on eBay. They cost a bit more than the higher fee resorts because there are people that also do their homework and look at this as a long-term proposition. From that perspective, the fees at Bali Hai get you about a 38% discount for a vacation cost as compared to the Club Wyndham Access fees, but again do your own due diligence. There are converted week contracts out there for a lot of the resorts that have different point costs than the standard ones; you can figure out the point cost in $ per 1,000 points, which is the typical comparison, generally by subtracting $180 per year from the MF quoted (that is the minimum Wyndham program fee) and dividing by the number of thousand-points up to about 282,000 points; above that it would be the MF divided by the thousand-points minus $0.64, which is the Club Wyndham Plus program fee. As a resale owner, you would be paying a program fee of $0.62 per thousand points, bringing it up close to the quoted MF for larger contracts or the same for smaller contracts.

As @cbyrne1174 mentioned, Grand Desert ones are typically on the lower side of resort costs. When you hear back from TSN, as for a copy of the estoppel and figure out if those are good ones to pick up. I saw them there and didn't find those ones particularly attractive because they are kind of small accounts that won't get you a decent amount of usage unless you pick up several. There is a converted Bali Hai week on the TUG Marketplace with a biennial 308,000 points that would cost you more initially, but has a lower MF that might be a better starter one in Wyndham.


I went with cheap/free deeds. I have 6 deeds and only 574,000 points. Buying Resale is always a small risk. I didn't want to gamble a lot of money in case the seller was fraudulent.

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I also wanted to point out if you are getting a small WM account, DON'T buy 6,000 or 8,000 credits.

6,000 credits have the same annual costs as 7,000 credits
8,000 credits have the same cost as 9,000 and 10,000 credits

Buy 5,000 7,000 or 10,000 if you want a small account. You only get 1 free housekeeping transaction a year with anything less than 20,000 points. If you are 100% comfortable with renting credits from other WM owners using the WM exchange forum, 5,000 credits is the way to go. You get access to all the WM deals not offered with Club Wyndham with the smallest amount of $$ liability. Marriott has a similar system in place with their point system too. You can own the smallest amount of points to get an account and rent points directly from other owners, giving you the control of being an owner without as much liability.
 
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Resale points cannot be used for WorldMark locations with the exception of RCI. You can deposit points into RCI and use them for Wyndham and WorldMark location (and plenty more). However, the inventory for each is limited and hard to get. Also, the fee to book RCI reservations $239. The fee to book Club Wyndham resorts is free for a set number of times based on your membership, and $19 or $29 online or over the phone respectively if you run out of free ones. They do not count towards VIP status. They cannot be converted to Wyndham rewards points. If you do not currently have a retail purchase, you will not have plus partners which include RCI Nightly Stays. Resale owners have to book full weeks with a few exceptions. Some resorts have a separate ID for 3-night stays and 5-night stays. Otherwise, you have to do a full week. Retail owners with Plus partners can book individual nights for a smaller fee at RCI Nightly Stays participating resorts.

Resale does not affect your ARP or limit your access to specific rooms, despite what the salespeople try to tell you.
I like the using the RCI exchange because if planned right you can get a extra week of vacation using 154,000 points. RCI charges $239 per reservation but when booking a 1 bed room for a week with RCI its only 105,000 or 77,000 points needed compared to booking the same week with Wyndham at 154,000. Booking with RCI can give you a extra week of vacation at a additional cost of $478 ($3.10/1000) or less then $70 per night. You will have to plan ahead to find Wyndham availability but there are also many other nice resorts to book including HGVC and Worldmark.
 

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I like the using the RCI exchange because if planned right you can get a extra week of vacation using 154,000 points. RCI charges $239 per reservation but when booking a 1 bed room for a week with RCI its only 105,000 or 77,000 points needed compared to booking the same week with Wyndham at 154,000. Booking with RCI can give you a extra week of vacation at a additional cost of $478 ($3.10/1000) or less then $70 per night. You will have to plan ahead to find Wyndham availability but there are also many other nice resorts to book including HGVC and Worldmark.

N.B., the points for the different room sizes in RCI through the Wyndham RCI portal vary with the season - Wyndham ranks the seasons at particular resorts as Quiet, Value, High, and Peak. for a 1 BR it is 77K in the Value season and 105K in the High season. This would make an RCI week cost using one of the Grand Desert contracts 77K points * ($4.87/K pts + $0.62/K pts) + $239 = $661.73. That really isn't bad, but if you actually do your homework and look at the cost of extra vacations through RCI in those same seasons you'll find availability in the Orlando area (one of OP's desired locations) for the $339-$369 range (Club Wyndham Cypress Palms, for example). You can sometimes find them less expensive, too. RCI exchanges aren't a bad thing, particularly if you have extra points that would otherwise go to waste and you'd like some way to use the sunk costs, but it's a good idea to do due diligence first. You could always use an extra vacation and donate the points to capture a tax benefit.
 

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Cypress Palms and Vacation Village are frequently in the "last call" inventory for around $300/week and have decent rooms. The resorts just lack amenities other than basic pool/hot tub/gym.
 

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N.B., the points for the different room sizes in RCI through the Wyndham RCI portal vary with the season - Wyndham ranks the seasons at particular resorts as Quiet, Value, High, and Peak. for a 1 BR it is 77K in the Value season and 105K in the High season. This would make an RCI week cost using one of the Grand Desert contracts 77K points * ($4.87/K pts + $0.62/K pts) + $239 = $661.73. That really isn't bad, but if you actually do your homework and look at the cost of extra vacations through RCI in those same seasons you'll find availability in the Orlando area (one of OP's desired locations) for the $339-$369 range (Club Wyndham Cypress Palms, for example). You can sometimes find them less expensive, too. RCI exchanges aren't a bad thing, particularly if you have extra points that would otherwise go to waste and you'd like some way to use the sunk costs, but it's a good idea to do due diligence first. You could always use an extra vacation and donate the points to capture a tax benefit.
I agree the extra vacations cash option is also a good value at times. If you have a flexible schedule and can travel during the value weeks booking RCI is a great value also. Wyndham Grand Desert for 1 week with Wyndham at 154,000 ( 154K points * ($4.87/K pts + $0.62/K pts) = $834.68. But if you have a flexible travel schedule and can plan ahead deposit all 154,000 points in RCI to get a additional week in value season for the cost of 2 reservation fees of $239ea or a total of $478 ( 154K points * ($4.87/K pts + $0.62/K pts) = $834.68 + $239 +$239 = $1312.68 or a additional $478 for the additional week. The key is to learn the system and make it work for your travel needs or personal situation. Of course this will not work if you need a 3 bedroom presidential at Bonnet Creek during Easter but value can be found under certain circumstances.
 

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I mainly find value getting into Saratoga Springs. The Hilton properties charge $25/day plus exchange fees and end up being around $1000/week in a 1 bedroom. SSR is also $1000/week but that's MUCH cheaper than actually owning DVC.

Holiday Inn and Bluegreen has *few* nice properties. If you want to exchange into Hilton though, you're better off picking up a platinum Elara deed or something.
 

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Here is a good example of a "good deal" for Orlando

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It's on sale for 77,000 points. This is the "flagship" Bluegreen location for Orlando. It's nice, but not as nice as Bonnet Creek.
 

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Here is a good example of a "good deal" for Orlando

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It's on sale for 77,000 points. This is the "flagship" Bluegreen location for Orlando. It's nice, but not as nice as Bonnet Creek.
Great example of using RCI to book a 2 bedroom on sale for 77,000 vs normal 165,000 points. There are a lot very nice resorts outside of Wyndham including HGVC that weekly stays can be booked at 1/2 points vs booking a Wyndham reservation. If you are a Wyndham resale owner and want to double or get the most vacation time out of 154,000 Wyndham points RCI is a good option even with the additional $239 reservation fee. If you are VIP and could book in the 50% discount window then RCI may not work as well for you.
 
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