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The recent silver market

BTW this is a rhetorical statement. I understand how it holds value. But it is all theoretical and virtual value based on a loosely held belief and trust amongst people. At least gold is shining and physical. Been sought after for thousands of years. When the lights go out how are the crypto needs going to trade their coin?

Historically, most currency are eventually eliminated. Silver and Gold as a store of wealth has remained the same universally wanted item even when currency fails.

Bill
 
I have also made some money - - but not with gold coins

When it's hot it's hot. When it's not it's not. Right now it's red hot.

Bill
 
Historically, most currency are eventually eliminated. Silver and Gold as a store of wealth has remained the same universally wanted item even when currency fails.

Bill


new All Time Highs this morning
Gold over $4,500
Silver over $70

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You mean the ones lowering interest rates destroying the value of the US dollar?

It is those who are building the mountain of debt who are destroying the value of the dollar, the euro, the pound, etc. Only a handful of countries are not doing that like Norway and Switzerland. Unfortunately for the Swiss, because the largest part of their exports go to the EU, they have had to artificially take steps to keep their currency from rising against the euro, which it had been doing very steadily just from financial dynamics. That is probably going to keep the Swiss franc from attaining what its real value should be against other currencies.

Those building the mountains of debt in country after country are the governments and parliaments, not the Central bankers.

Not going overboard on government debt has given the Swiss franc a lot of appreciation against the dollar. In the 1970s, the Swiss franc was worth 23 US cents, but it has now been over one dollar for years. The Swiss franc is a better managed fiat currency than the dollar. Norway's North Sea oil has given it a powerful economic tool, with the country having little debt and a big sovereign wealth fund. If you are looking at costs of things in Switzerland, and particularly Norway, they seem quite expensive when calculated in dollars, and that is due to the better strength of their currencies. The Norwegian people voted not to join the EU, which is also a big advantage to them. They use their own kronor, not the euro.
 
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And for those building wealth through low cost stock index funds


( and not destroying the Euro !)


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It is those who are building the mountain of debt who are destroying the value of the dollar, the euro, the pound, etc. Only a handful of countries are not doing that like Norway and Switzerland. Unfortunately for the Swiss, because the largest part of their exports go to the EU, they have had to artificially take steps to keep their currency from rising against the euro, which it had been doing very steadily just from financial dynamics. That is probably going to keep the Swiss franc from attaining what its real value should be against other currencies.

Those building the mountains of debt in country after country are the governments and parliaments, not the Central bankers.

Not going overboard on government debt has given the Swiss franc a lot of appreciation against the dollar. In the 1970s, the Swiss franc was worth 23 US cents, but it has now been over one dollar for years. The Swiss franc is a better managed fiat currency than the dollar. Norway's North Sea oil has given it a powerful economic tool, with the country having little debt and a big sovereign wealth fund. If you are looking at costs of things in Switzerland, and particularly Norway, they seem quite expensive when calculated in dollars, and that is due to the better strength of their currencies. The Norwegian people voted not to join the EU, which is also a big advantage to them. They use their own kronor, not the euro.
The real value of the Swiss franc is exactly what the market is pricing it at.
 
The real value of the Swiss franc is exactly what the market is pricing it at.
Which is why the Swiss Central Bank took steps to stop the rise of the franc to protect Swiss exports to the EU, which a strong franc was causing problems for. They did that by a fairly unusual method but it worked.

The real value of gold and silver is what the FX market is pricing it at.
 
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Stock transaction fees can vary, too.

Storage? My credit union has very cheap fees on safe deposit boxes.

I buy dips and sales in gold and silver. One of the sales I recently bought was US Morgan silver dollars at the spot price of silver, a sale that is now over but was run by JM Bullion. That was right at $40 per coin. While they were listed as culls, their condition was actually not to shabby, with no major wear, and silver was in the 50s then not 70 like this morning.
 
If only those prognosticators were as smart as you Bill

If they were, it might be harder to get a decent red season reservation.

Brett, we all know you use a long run game investing strategy which is common and works well for the most part until it doesn't. Some of us are only looking for the nut, with the nut often being an under appreciated, over looked and potentially highly profitable item. This also works well until it doesn't.

Bill
 
Which is why the Swiss Central Bank took steps to stop the rise of the franc to protect Swiss exports to the EU, which a strong franc was causing problems for. They did that by a fairly unusual method but it worked.

The real value of gold and silver is what the FX market is pricing it at.
Agreed. Not sure why some people believe the real price is anything other than the current market price. You can state that you believe the value of an asset is above or below traditional valuation metrics but the real price is always the market price.
 
Stock transaction fees can vary, too.

Who is paying stock market commissions in 2025. The gold market needs to improve its efficiency by eliminating buying/selling commissions and moving the buy/sell spreads to fractions of a cent.
 
They use their own kronor, not the euro.
Doesn't that make it virtually impossible for exporters in Norway to compete? Moving towards the Euro would be a huge boon for them.
 
If they were, it might be harder to get a decent red season reservation.

Brett, we all know you use a long run game investing strategy which is common and works well for the most part until it doesn't. Some of us are only looking for the nut, with the nut often being an under appreciated, over looked and potentially highly profitable item. This also works well until it doesn't.

Bill


Most people use the "long game" with retirement funds, including you. Sure, you're looking for the "nut" but real estate rental income is paying for your retirement

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Doesn't that make it virtually impossible for exporters in Norway to compete? Moving towards the Euro would be a huge boon for them.

Norway is not a member of the EU. Switzerland and Lietchenstein are not members either.

Norway allowed its citizens to vote on the issue and they voted to preserve their national independence. Polls show they still believe that way and the younger demographics are the most opposed to joining the EU.

Sweden is a member of the EU, but it allowed its citizens to vote on whether to join the euro. They have voted that down twice now, and Sweden still uses its own kronor. Denmark is also an EU member but did not join the euro, also using its own kronor. Germans were not allowed to vote on the issue, as polls showed they would have voted decisively against joining the euro while their government wanted to join.
 
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Norway is not a member of the EU. Switzerland and Lietchenstein are not members either.

Norway allowed its citizens to vote on the issue and they voted to preserve their national independence. Polls show they still believe that way and the younger demographics are the most opposed to joining the EU.
Of course when you are young and unaware of how economics work you would be against it. The schools are indoctrinating the youth there. The older and wiser residents are more supportive.
 
The metals complex is soaring this morning. Platinum and Palladium are both up 10+% this morning, silver is above $76 an ounce, and Gold is at $4576.

The squeeze is clearly on. . .
 
Most people use the "long game" with retirement funds, including you. Sure, you're looking for the "nut" but real estate rental income is paying for your retirement

That seems right Brett. I get a different vibe with the big nut investments. Not really better or worse. It might be more of a mildly exciting vibe generated when an asset appreciates at the rate silver is. It like wow, last month I could have got a few hot dogs at Costco but today it Micky D's steak house. :p

Bill
 
The metals complex is soaring this morning. Platinum and Palladium are both up 10+% this morning, silver is above $76 an ounce, and Gold is at $4576.

The squeeze is clearly on. . .

I saw the silver spread between the comex and shfe is growing. Physical is pricing way higher than paper. The squeeze is definitely on.

Bill
 
That seems right Brett. I get a different vibe with the big nut investments. Not really better or worse. It might be more of a mildly exciting vibe generated when an asset appreciates at the rate silver is. It like wow, last month I could have got a few hot dogs at Costco but today it Micky D's steak house. :p

Bill


Continue playing the 'long game' and enjoy your "steak"


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The metals complex is soaring this morning. Platinum and Palladium are both up 10+% this morning, silver is above $76 an ounce, and Gold is at $4576.

The squeeze is clearly on. . .
Wouldn't this cause most people to think it is in A bubble and sell? Wouldn't they buy when there is blood in the streets?
 
Wouldn't this cause most people to think it is in A bubble and sell? Wouldn't they buy when there is blood in the streets?

Nope. They'll let the sack of coins sit in a closet until they die. And eventually the sack will pass to some member of the family who has the good sense to sell it and do something useful with the money.

Gold bugs aren't investors. They're hoarders.
 
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