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The recent silver market

You continuously post out of date articles and solar recycling

Here is a look at where the industry is today

State of solar panel recycling in 2025​

The state of solar panel recycling in 2025 is marked by significant growth and advancements in the industry. Here are some key points:

usasolarcell.com
Recycling solar panels: a 2025 breakthrough | USA Solar Cell


Earth911
Solar Panel Recycling In 2025 - Earth911


https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=d36c...zb2xhci1wYW5lbC1yZWN5Y2xpbmctaW4tMjAyNQ&ntb=1
 
emeryjre said:
You continuously post out of date articles and solar recycling

Here is a look at where the industry is today

State of solar panel recycling in 2025​

The state of solar panel recycling in 2025 is marked by significant growth and advancements in the industry. Here are some key points:

usasolarcell.com
Recycling solar panels: a 2025 breakthrough | USA Solar Cell

Earth911
Solar Panel Recycling In 2025 - Earth911

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=d36c...zb2xhci1wYW5lbC1yZWN5Y2xpbmctaW4tMjAyNQ&ntb=1
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That is the same article at three different places and it a "rah rah feel good" article that contains no specific data on what is actually being recycled.
 
The Harvard Review Article is proof you do not read what you post

This is the final paragraph of the Harvard Review Article
from 2021

""The science is indisputable: Continuing to rely on fossil fuels to the extent we currently do will bequeath a damaged if not dying planet to future generations. Compared with all we stand to gain or lose, the four decades or so it will likely take for the economics of solar to stabilize to the point that consumers won’t feel compelled to cut short the life cycle of their panels seems decidedly small. But that lofty purpose doesn’t make the shift to renewable energy any easier in reality. Of all sectors, sustainable technology can least afford to be shortsighted about the waste it creates. A strategy for entering the circular economy is absolutely essential — and the sooner, the better.""
 
emeryjre said:

Why Coal Ash Is Far More Dangerous​

1. Volume difference is extreme​

Coal ash output dwarfs solar waste by hundreds of times.One study shows fossil fuels generate 500× more waste than solar.

2. Coal ash is loose, powdery, and mobile​

It blows in the wind, spills into rivers, and leaches into aquifers.

3. Solar waste is solid, laminated, and sealed​

Panels are like glass sandwiches — metals are immobilized.

4. Coal ash ponds routinely leak​

Over 90% of U.S. coal plants contaminate groundwater.

5. Solar toxicity concerns are mostly misinformation​

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So, the Harvard Business Journal is "misinformed"??????

Solar waste after a tornado, hurricane, or even hail storm is often not "solid laminated and sealed"

The amount of solar waste is rising quickly, while new coal ash is declinong.
 
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emeryjre said:
The Harvard Review Article is proof you do not read what you post

This is the final paragraph of the Harvard Review Article
from 2021

""The science is indisputable: Continuing to rely on fossil fuels to the extent we currently do will bequeath a damaged if not dying planet to future generations. Compared with all we stand to gain or lose, the four decades or so it will likely take for the economics of solar to stabilize to the point that consumers won’t feel compelled to cut short the life cycle of their panels seems decidedly small. But that lofty purpose doesn’t make the shift to renewable energy any easier in reality. Of all sectors, sustainable technology can least afford to be shortsighted about the waste it creates. A strategy for entering the circular economy is absolutely essential — and the sooner, the better.""
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The article defines the solar waste problem, and that part you quote simply shows that even those who clearly support solar acknowledge that there is a serious solar waste problem, which is my point.

But, why are you bringing all of this solar / wind stuff over to the silver thread????????????
 
Carolinian said:
So, the Harvard Business Journal is "misinformed"??????

Solar waste after a tornado, hurricane, or even hail storm is often not "solid laminated and sealed"

The amount of solar waste is rising quickly, while new coal ash is declinong.
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How can coal waste be declining
You keep posting articles about how coal use is growing

You ignore the 500 BILLION cubic yards that is currently sitting somewhere and needs to be dealt with

I have continuously pointed out how the solar panel recycling industry is growing in leaps and bounds

But that does not fit your articles from 4-10 years ago when it comes to panel recycling
 
Each panel has about $40 worth of silver in it

I mentioned recycling and you went off on a rant

Brought in an article from a woman who thinks we should be living in a cave
 
Carolinian said:
Some of those trusts have had rumblings for some time of not holding anywhere near enough actual silver to cover their ETF paper. If too many people want their silver, then they have a problem. There is one of those trusts based in Canada that is supposed to be the best on actually having the actual silver.
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It might be an interesting week ahead with all of the silver shorts busted and no silver to cover the margins with the December contracts settlement due tomorrow.

Bill
 
easyrider said:
It might be an interesting week ahead with all of the silver shorts busted and no silver to cover the margins with the December contracts settlement due tomorrow.

Bill
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Yes, it could. The Comex and the LBMA may both be in for a wild ride, and that may send the physical market vertical. The usually thinly traded Sunday market is now at $81.59.

I am going to ignore those wind / solar cheerleaders on this thread. There is another thread for that.

Here is an interesting analysis:

 
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Carolinian said:
It takes years to ramp up mining for silver. One of the oddities on silver mining is that much of the silver mined is produced along with another metal, so trying to ramp up mining makes sense when taking both silver and the other metal into account. With one big silver miner in Poland, the main other metal they produce is copper, which is also soaring in price. Still with all of the things necessary to open a new mine, it takes years to do that, especially where there is a whole lot of bureaucracy involved like in mineral rich Canada.
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Most countries in the world it just takes a big fat envelop to get permission to start mining.
 
Carolinian said:
Yes, it could. The Comex and the LBMA may both be in for a wild ride, and that may send the physical market vertical. I see that the usually thinly traded Sunday market is up to $81.59

(I am going to ignore those wind / solar cheerleaders on this thread. There is another thread for that.)
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I suspect your entire roof is covered in solar panels.

Most of the time the people that seem strongly against something are the biggest beneficiaries of it.
 
Carolinian said:
Yes, it could. The Comex and the LBMA may both be in for a wild ride, and that may send the physical market vertical. I see that the usually thinly traded Sunday market is up to $81.59

(I am going to ignore those wind / solar cheerleaders on this thread. There is another thread for that.)
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It's almost $91 USD at the shfx for physical. It's almost $80 at the comex for contracts. About $11 USD difference now. The spread is usually no more than $2 USD. It might be a GameStop squeeze kind of tomorrow.

Bill
 
TolmiePeak said:
I suspect your entire roof is covered in solar panels.

Most of the time the people that seem strongly against something are the biggest beneficiaries of it.
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This is a thread about the silver market. But if solar panels appeared on my roof, the same thing would happen as did to a guy around the corner. The Historic Preservation Commission issued an order and forced him to remove them. Of course, that was after multiple complaints by neighbors on his street about the panels.
 
Carolinian said:
This is a thread about the silver market. But if solar panels appeared on my roof, the same thing would happen as did to a guy around the corner. The Historic Preservation Commission issued an order and forced him to remove them. Of course, that was after multiple complaints by neighbors on his street about the panels.
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Let’s talk about windmills instead


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easyrider said:
It's almost $91 USD at the shfx for physical. It's almost $80 at the comex for contracts. About $11 USD difference now. The spread is usually no more than $2 USD. It might be a GameStop squeeze kind of tomorrow.

Bill
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There has been too much air backing the paper silver. When most people cash settled, that worked. Now? We will see.
 
TolmiePeak said:
Most countries in the world it just takes a big fat envelop to get permission to start mining.
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Places like the US, Australia, and Canada, that is not so. One of the big mining companies has been selling their Canadian properties due to the increased bureaucracy there. Another one has taken a hit in Africa where a country kicked them out of a very productive gold mine without any compensation. They just took it. Mining in the Third World is an iffy thing.

Actually opening a mine is also a major process even when you get the permits.
 
Carolinian said:
Places like the US, Australia, and Canada, that is not so. One of the big mining companies has been selling their Canadian properties due to the increased bureaucracy there. Another one has taken a hit in Africa where a country kicked them out of a very productive gold mine without any compensation. They just took it. Mining in the Third World is an iffy thing.

Actually opening a mine is also a major process even when you get the permits.
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Mining in the 3rd world is perfectly safe. You just have to cut those in power in for a piece of the action.
 
easyrider said:
It's almost $91 USD at the shfx for physical. It's almost $80 at the comex for contracts. About $11 USD difference now. The spread is usually no more than $2 USD. It might be a GameStop squeeze kind of tomorrow.

Bill
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Yeah, tomorrow is going to be an ugly day for anyone on the short side of the trade.

About a week ago I put in place a covered call on SLV (I bought SLV and sold the call option) since it basically gave me a guaranteed annualized 25% return as long as SLV stayed stable or went higher.

On Friday I got a notice that the January calls have been exercised early even though they had some time value remaining (three weeks early). I suspect those on the other side are going to withdraw the physical from the ETF to sell on the spot market or make a delivery on the futures contract. I’ve never seen this happen before.

I’m relatively happy as it locked in my gain early and so the annualized gain is much higher than I expected. Now to rinse and repeat :)
 
Of course the CME just increased the amount of collateral needed to hold the precious metals contracts, so this is putting investors using leverage offside. Looks like we’ll get a bit of a clearing for those who overextended their positions.
 
Looks like the price is collapsing. Time to head for the exits. Don't get stuck behind the main door when someone pulls the fire alarm. You will get crushed in the stampede.
 
jabberwocky said:
Of course the CME just increased the amount of collateral needed to hold the precious metals contracts, so this is putting investors using leverage offside. Looks like we’ll get a bit of a clearing for those who overextended their positions.
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They did that suddenly on gold to try to drop prices not long ago. It worked for a short while.

The podcast I usually follow on precious metals did not put up a video at the end of last week, taking the week off for the holidays, so I checked in with some other ones to get their takes. There were some interesting things out there before the market reopened Sunday. One attributed the price spike Friday to a bank getting caught short in a major way and having to cover during a lightly traded market and thought the trend would continue. Another, who does not do a regular podcast but was a guest on another and someone I had heard good things about said that amateur retail traders have been into silver for a while, and he thought they were responsible for Friday's spike since the senior traders were all off for Christmas and the big players not active very much this time of year. He also thought that something would spook the amateurs by mid January and they would be flushed out, temporarily bringing prices down into the 50s for a brief period and that was what he was waiting for to buy the dip. There were also comments that there were tense strategy meetings going on at the LBMA which is in a tight with a lot less silver on hand than they are obligated for in contracts. Then there are those pointing fingers at the Chinese. I remember when the Wall Street Bets crowd decided to try a silver squeeze a year or so ago on the basis that the SLV ETF held what was regarded as only a small fraction of the actual metal they were responsible for. Their scheme was to try to buy enough contracts and stand for delivery to crash the ETF by draining it of metal. It temporarily spiked silver prices but did not work to crash the ETF.

I will wait for my regular expert podcast next week, where they will have probably figured out what really went on.

I like dips because that is when I buy, and a dip that corresponds with some end of the year sales is also nice. What I pulled the trigger on were some Louis XVIII 20 francs, 200 year old French gold coins at about 2% over spot.

The things to remember in precious metals is that when either silver or gold makes a move either direction, the other tends to follow, and that silver is much more volatile than gold, with wider swings.

Including both the swing up on Friday and down on Sunday, the one week change on the silver price is currently UP 6.41% over where it was last Monday. Still not too shabby. For the same week, the S&P 500 is up 0.75% and Bitcoin is DOWN 0.82%
 
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