Seeking Resale Advice: 500-600k Points

[Jace]

Hi everyone,
As a current DVC owner, I recently attended a sales presentation at Club Wyndham Glacier Canyon in the Dells. While we had a great time and learned a lot about the program, we knew going in (thanks to some prior research on YouTube and TUG) that buying direct wasn't the right path for us. We're interested in adding 8-10 days of extra vacation time each year for our family, typically in 2-3 bedroom units booked 7-10 months in advance.

Club Wyndham seems like a good fit for our needs, and we're now exploring resale options. Our goal is to find the best agreements with the lowest maintenance fees. We understand that with a resale contract, we might miss out on perks like early check-in/check-out, but we're okay with that as we wouldn't be utilizing RCI or points for anything other than stays at Wyndham properties.

Any advice on navigating the resale market and finding those hidden gems would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance for your expertise and guidance.

 

[lds337]

I own two Glacier Canyon Club Wyndham a one bedroom with 154,000 and a 2 bedroom with 210,000.

I bought both resale after attending a presentation at GC.

Works great to get to Glacier Canyon and other resorts but my kids are not as interested in going there anymore. I’ve been to Atlanta and Austin using those points the last two years.

I have been on the fence of leaving Wyndham since I have HGVC and Vistana

If you want to own at Glacier Canyon I would be open to selling.

Message me if interested.


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[CO skier]

Club Wyndham seems like a good fit for our needs, and we're now exploring resale options. Our goal is to find the best agreements with the lowest maintenance fees.

Any advice on navigating the resale market and finding those hidden gems would be greatly appreciated!

1) Look at the locations and points charts for the resorts where you might want to go in the season(s) you would go to determine how many points/year you will need.

2023-2024 CW Directory

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2) eBay is a good source for resale deals. Patience is a virtue; a purchase now likely would not transfer in time to receive 2025 January Use Year points, so you have 6-8 months to find just the deal you want. Points are good at any resort within 10 months of arrival, so you can own at any resort. Grand Desert is a good choice for a purchase -- frequently listed on eBay with a wide selection of points ownerships at lower than average maintenance fees. Watch for one like this where the seller pays the closing and transfer costs. Even if the new owner does not receive the 2025 points, it is still a decent deal.

300,000 WYNDHAM POINTS PER YEAR WYNDHAM GRAND DESERT LAS VEGAS NEVADA TIMESHARE | eBay

This is a Wyndham Vacation Resort. WYNDHAM POINTS CAN BE USED AT ANY WYNDHAM RESORT. This lush resort is just minutes from McCarran International Airport (3 mi), Las Vegas Convention Center (4 mi) and UNLV (1 mi).

www.ebay.com

 

[chapjim]

Hi everyone,
As a current DVC owner, I recently attended a sales presentation at Club Wyndham Glacier Canyon in the Dells. While we had a great time and learned a lot about the program, we knew going in (thanks to some prior research on YouTube and TUG) that buying direct wasn't the right path for us. We're interested in adding 8-10 days of extra vacation time each year for our family, typically in 2-3 bedroom units booked 7-10 months in advance.

Club Wyndham seems like a good fit for our needs, and we're now exploring resale options. Our goal is to find the best agreements with the lowest maintenance fees. We understand that with a resale contract, we might miss out on perks like early check-in/check-out, but we're okay with that as we wouldn't be utilizing RCI or points for anything other than stays at Wyndham properties.

Any advice on navigating the resale market and finding those hidden gems would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance for your expertise and guidance.

Perks like early check-in are mostly a fantasy.

 

[philemer]

We just did what you're planning on doing but we only added 89K pts, which gives us the ideal amount of vacation days. You need to buy a contract at a resort that has reasonable MF (maintenance fees). Here's a link to the historical chart on TUG that is maintained by a volunteer: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mRNaOwfYAl-E5b5GbVSTUwDrqcPelxYxPsNSYmvbX80/edit?gid=0#gid=0

We chose a resale contract on eBay for the Kona Hawaiian Resort b/c we wanted the 13 month ARP priority. It doesn't have the lowest MF but they are reasonable. Good luck in your journey.

 

[Jace]

Thoughts on this Bali contract for 500k points and seller pays all fees? Seems to have lower MF

Wyndham Bali Hai Villas - 500,000 Points | eBay

Wyndham Bali Hai Villas. Located in Princeville, Kauai's leading resort community, Wyndham Bali Hai Villas truly captures the splendor of Hawaii. Wyndham Points can be used at any Wyndham location! 500,000 Club Wyndham Points, Allocated January 1st of every year.

www.ebay.com

 

[Jace]

I own two Glacier Canyon Club Wyndham a one bedroom with 154,000 and a 2 bedroom with 210,000.

I bought both resale after attending a presentation at GC.

Works great to get to Glacier Canyon and other resorts but my kids are not as interested in going there anymore. I’ve been to Atlanta and Austin using those points the last two years.

I have been on the fence of leaving Wyndham since I have HGVC and Vistana

If you want to own at Glacier Canyon I would be open to selling.

Message me if interested.


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Thanks, I sent you a note. Would love to hear more about your GC experiences here. I would see us returning there over winter breaks and also using WC points for resorts like Bali, Hawaii, Vegas, etc. Nice to have options outside of Disney.

 

[Floridaman76]

Maintenance fees at GC are among the highest in the entire Wyndham system.

Having never been there, is OWNING there necessary for ARP or something? If I remember right, even Access was lower than GC is deeded and gets you ARP at a most resorts, vs ARP at ONE.

GC to me, seems like a very niche resort for people in the midwest which would have limited appeal to people ourside the area. With the main draw being it's within driving distance of Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, St. Louis and most of the rest of the midwest.

 

[Jace]

Maintenance fees at GC are among the highest in the entire Wyndham system.

Having never been there, is OWNING there necessary for ARP or something? If I remember right, even Access was lower than GC is deeded and gets you ARP at a most resorts, vs ARP at ONE.

GC to me, seems like a very niche resort for people in the midwest which would have limited appeal to people ourside the area. With the main draw being it's within driving distance of Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, St. Louis and most of the rest of the midwest.

I have no need to have ARP at GC. I want to own points at the lowest MF option with the lowest cost of entry (e.g. good deal on seller dumping and paying fees). We would typically book 10 months out and look for the 2-4br options when we want to stay at WC properties.

 

[Floridaman76]

Well if you are looking for low MF, I can assure you that Glacier Canyon is the last place you should be looking. Again, if you want to stay there at high demand times, I have no idea if ARP is needed or not, or if you can get what you want at 10 months. There's reasons to own at certain resorts if you always want to go at peak times. And you pay for that luxury.

 

[Jace]

Well if you are looking for low MF, I can assure you that Glacier Canyon is the last place you should be looking. Again, if you want to stay there at high demand times, I have no idea if ARP is needed or not, or if you can get what you want at 10 months. There's reasons to own at certain resorts if you always want to go at peak times. And you pay for that luxury.

I want to find something with the lowest MFs where I can book anywhere at the 10 month mark. I’m going to bid on the Bali property above

 

[CO skier]

I want to find something with the lowest MFs where I can book anywhere at the 10 month mark. I’m going to bid on the Bali property above

Just be aware that contrary to the ad, there is at best a 50/50 chance of receiving the 2025 use points due to the timing of the transfer in 5-6 months, which would mean you may have to pay 5 months of maintenance fees (about $1,150) for points you will not receive for use in 2025.

Club Wyndham blatantly stealing points from resale sellers and buyers

I don't understand how Wyndham gets away with this, as it's clearly not legal under any circumstance (and not even by their own documents). I acquired a resale contract and they are attempting to make me pay maintenance fees immediately, without usage or points until 2024. All of the issues...

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[VAlegacy]

Just be aware that contrary to the ad, there is at best a 50/50 chance of receiving the 2025 use points due to the timing of the transfer in 5-6 months, which would mean you may have to pay 5 months of maintenance fees (about $2,000) for points you will not receive for use in 2025.

Club Wyndham blatantly stealing points from resale sellers and buyers

I don't understand how Wyndham gets away with this, as it's clearly not legal under any circumstance (and not even by their own documents). I acquired a resale contract and they are attempting to make me pay maintenance fees immediately, without usage or points until 2024. All of the issues...

tugbbs.com

I had a contract that transferred once in october with all 500k pts.
I called in and they were nice enough to move them to the next year.
I doubt this is the norm.

 

[CO skier]

I had a contract that transferred once in october with all 500k pts.
I called in and they were nice enough to move them to the next year.
I doubt this is the norm.

Is "once" within the last couple of years? Things have changed from the past.

 

[Shiba]

Just be aware that contrary to the ad, there is at best a 50/50 chance of receiving the 2025 use points due to the timing of the transfer in 5-6 months, which would mean you may have to pay 5 months of maintenance fees (about $2,000) for points you will not receive for use in 2025.

I had to go through this myself. A couple of things that stood out when the rep questioned me was, what does your contract and estoppel say regarding regarding the points. Please make sure that the contract states you are entitled to all points once transfer is complete. My estoppel said that remaining points in the contract would transfer. I was able to get my points in the month of December. This will help plead your case, but it is Wyndham's sandbox we are playing in and the rules change or seem like a moving target.

Please look at the Wyndham sticky that has all of the maintenance fees, so you can make an educated decision on your fees. Seems like Glacier Canyon fees are higher than CWA contracts. I don't know if you need ARP at this location nor how quickly all the 3 bedrooms are taken for peak months. Whatever you do get an Estoppel for that contract which will give you the MF or if any special assessments. That Bali Hai contract should go for much higher than what you see now, but you never know. Ask if this is a converted week or originally sold as a point contract. If you decide on that one be on the lookout for those last second bids.

Figure out which locations have the low maintenance fees and start your search, be patient and get what you want. The low MF contracts usually have some value, where the higher MF contracts can be found for free.

Good Luck!

 

[Floridaman76]

I want to find something with the lowest MFs where I can book anywhere at the 10 month mark. I’m going to bid on the Bali property above

There's no guarantee no matter what you buy that you can book exactly what you want at 10 months... that's not a thing, ever, period.

If you understand that, you will be fine.

Like, for instance, if you buy Canterbury (lowst MF in the system) and expect to be able to book Mardi Gras week in a 2BR Presidential, or for that matter, ANY unit there, you are in for a big disappointment. Or bike week at Daytona, or New Years at Midtown 45, or Christmas or New Years week at Park City or Steamboat.

You get my drift?

 

[CO skier]

There's no guarantee no matter what you buy that you can book exactly what you want at 10 months... that's not a thing, ever, period.

If you understand that, you will be fine.

Like, for instance, if you buy Canterbury (lowst MF in the system) and expect to be able to book Mardi Gras week in a 2BR Presidential, or for that matter, ANY unit there, you are in for a big disappointment. Or bike week at Daytona, or New Years at Midtown 45, or Christmas or New Years week at Park City or Steamboat.

You get my drift?

The OP is looking for "typical" 2-3 bedroom units, not "Presidential units" or "holiday" or "events". I have no trouble booking Hawaii 2 bedrooms at 10 months. WorldMark owners book Club Wyndham Hawaii using Club Pass at 9 months with no problem.

We're interested in adding 8-10 days of extra vacation time each year for our family, typically in 2-3 bedroom units booked 7-10 months in advance.

 

[Shiba]

One thing we do to make our points stretch just a little longer is to book Sun-Fri stays, or just one of the weekend days. Fri and Sat night stays require more points. For instance Glacier Canyon 3 bedroom during Prime week is 36K night Sun-Thurs while Fri/Sat 64K night.

 

[bnoble]

I want to own points at the lowest MF option with the lowest cost of entry

It's usually one or the other, because you are not the only person looking for this.

My take: getting the absolute lowest MF usually costs more than it should because everyone wants to own at those small handful of resorts. Owning at a resort with very good MFs is a good compromise.

If you are going to bid on ebay, I recommend using a sniping service.

 

[Danlop88]

Thoughts on this Bali contract for 500k points and seller pays all fees? Seems to have lower MF

Wyndham Bali Hai Villas - 500,000 Points | eBay

Wyndham Bali Hai Villas. Located in Princeville, Kauai's leading resort community, Wyndham Bali Hai Villas truly captures the splendor of Hawaii. Wyndham Points can be used at any Wyndham location! 500,000 Club Wyndham Points, Allocated January 1st of every year.

www.ebay.com

This one just closed for $4,500.

 

[WManning]

This one just closed for $4,500.

Sounds like a fair deal for a low maintenance fee ownership. Lower maintenance fees can be used to pay the the sunk cost of purchase in less the 4-5 years

 

[Floridaman76]

I hear you, but it's not just events or holidays.

Sounds like a fair deal for a low maintenance fee ownership. Lower maintenance fees can be used to pay the the sunk cost of purchase in less the 4-5 years

That seems WAY high based on auctions i've been watching lately. I speculate there was a lot of shill bidding there, and you might see this relisted.

 

[Jace]

I hear you, but it's not just events or holidays.


That seems WAY high based on auctions i've been watching lately. I speculate there was a lot of shill bidding there, and you might see this relisted.

100%
Someone overpaid

 

[WManning]

I hear you, but it's not just events or holidays.


That seems WAY high based on auctions i've been watching lately. I speculate there was a lot of shill bidding there, and you might see this relisted.

Shill bidding is common on ebay actions. Buyers need to look at bidders feedback. Shill bidders have 0 or less then a 5 feed back score most likely.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I hear you, but it's not just events or holidays.


That seems WAY high based on auctions i've been watching lately. I speculate there was a lot of shill bidding there, and you might see this relisted.

I think that is going to get resisted as well. You can easily have picked up a 250kish Bali Hai Contract recently for $1,000ish +/- $500 recently, and a 500k points contract is not worth double a 250k points contract because the larger contracts are generally harder to move. I bet that deal falls through.