Sandcastle P'town owners -Festiva

[ecwinch]

What's really bugging me now is that Sandcastle has wireless Internet while Southcape is still waiting for it, and Southcape owners have been assessed $400 to pay for Sandcastle's wireless Internet access!

I have an IP address from capeguitarguy. It's [209.85.219.162]. Is that supposed to be confidential?

Do you have documentation of this information?

How are Southcape owners assessed to improve Sandcastle?

 

[ecwinch]

1) There is no Octoman. The BBS administrator who noted that several users were using the same IP address did a disservice to everyone by implying all of those users were the same person. That is just wrong. I administer several computer networks, both professional and personal, and I know. Because Sandcastle has a large internal wireless network, anyone logging on from anywhere within the complex will show up on an IP monitor as having the same address. I am in my room at the moment, 9:20 am EDT. I have no idea where Cliff is, but I do know he's not in my room.

2) The reason we cannot get a list of all the owners is that there are conflicts between the Mass General Law (which says we're entitlted to it) and the federal Privacy Act (which says we're not). Think about this: If Sandcastle were to give out everyone's address, and someone who got the list decided to stalk someone they met around the barbecue grill, who would be liable? Under federal law, Sandcastle would be, and they would stand to lose big. I understand that not a single timeshare operator on the Cape will give out owner lists for precisely this reason. Does this need to be settled in court? Probably. But the decision isn't going to be based on who's right or wrong, it's going to be based on whether federal law trumps state law. Is anyone volunteering to be party to that suit? Go right ahead, and let me know what happens. In the meantime, all the timeshare operators are playing it safe.

In regard to #1 - how do you so emphatically know that Cliff is not guilty of using multiple aliases? Cliff has already said that he cannot prove a negative. Do you suddenly have the ability to do this?

And while you offer a reasonable explanation of why IP duplication might have occurred with posts originating from the resort, you missed or are ignoring the fact the fact that this duplication is occurring over different networks.

Your explanation might be possible with a network router using Network Address Translation (NAT). In the case, each poster would seem to be using the same IP address. So if all the posts originated from Sandcastle that would be fine.

But we have the posts from these same group of users using duplicate IP from multiple originating networks.

Cliff, I think you have got your IT guy to give you an reasonable explanation, but you failed to tell him that you have been posting from different networks. So unless this group of people is following you around, there is only one conclusion.

Nice try though.

And why would this poster be so upset about questions from non-owners. This is what you fail to understand and what makes your alt posts so transparent.

And I find it very interesting that the example you cite as rationale for not providing the members list, is the exact same one that Cliff used in a discussion with me.

And exploring the logic of that position, by extension this would mean that any phone/address list would open the provider up to civil action. So my daughters high school directory, the phone book, my wife's Girl Scout phone tree, the county assessors website, are all examples of violations of federal law. Hmmm, maybe someone could tell me exactly what federal law is in question here?

 

[ecwinch]

He states that he will never post here again, then two NEW GUESTS appear defending him. This guy is unbelievable in so many ways. Well every time he invents another happy owner he is simply showing his desperation.

BTW, the next time a new poster with the same IP address appears who loves Cliff and the resort, would someone please meet them in the lobby since they are obviously at the resort.

It is amazing that so many post nowhere but from the resort. Even more amazing if I am not mistaken is that some of these posts occurred before the Wi Fi at the resort was even operational. Does anyone remember the date it started? I remember one figment of Masman's imagination talking about how he hoped that the wireless internet was up and working when they went for their week. If I am not mistaken Cliff said it would be working within 2 weeks. This meant that many including massman and capeguitarguy had registered on TUG before the wilreless was even installed. Hard to type from the same IP address if there is no wireless unless you are on the same computer. Hard to type as FIG pointed out if you didn't get on the computer while on vacation.

The more lies being told to cover the previous lies, the more he gets caught. Is he not smart enough to admit he is caught and just stop? I feel sorry for the owners at these resorts because it is being run by someone who will tell any lie to get their way. You will never be able to know for sure what is actually happening at your resort as long as Cliff,viv,prof,mas,cape,stein is in charge.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive."

Sir Walter Scott.

 

[ecwinch]

Unless they are all one and the same person perhaps?

You might want to look at how long each of those posters have been a member here and how many posts they have.

As opposed to the alt posts which all have recent registrations, only post in this and the Southcape threads, and have collectively spent less time on this forum than I have spent in the bathroom.

Have you ever stopped to wonder what would draw someone to this forum, they suddenly join, and right away their very, very first posts are in defense of Cliff. And they do not even ask any questions first. Just jump right in and begin defending Cliff.

I am sorry this is just an insult to our intelligence and it really is just pathetic at this point.

 

[Fig]

You might want to look at how long each of those posters have been a member here and how many posts they have.

As opposed to the alt posts which all have recent registrations, only post in this and the Southcape threads, and have collectively spent less time on this forum than I have spent in the bathroom.

Here's a tip from the Hagberg playbook of alts....when try to sound like a woman, use the word "whilst"...even if you are trying to create two totally different woman...like Viv and Ginny...because everyone knows all women use this word all the time!

Cathy

 

[Sou13]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecwinch

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Originally Posted by Sou13
What's really bugging me now is that Sandcastle has wireless Internet while Southcape is still waiting for it, and Southcape owners have been assessed $400 to pay for Sandcastle's wireless Internet access!

I have an IP address from capeguitarguy. It's [209.85.219.162]. Is that supposed to be confidential?​

Do you have documentation of this information?

How are Southcape owners assessed to improve Sandcastle?​

I sent you the documentation.

We Southcape owners have been levied a $400 Special Assessment for improvements, including wireless Internet access, which have yet to be made, while Sandcastle seems to have wireless Internet access without yet being levied a Special Assessment.

Meanwhile, who else has been at Sandcastle this week who is already registered to post on TUG? Let's hear it from them. Has wireless Internet access been installed at Sandcastle? It wasn't there when ChrisH was there!

 

[ecwinch]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecwinch

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sou13
What's really bugging me now is that Sandcastle has wireless Internet while Southcape is still waiting for it, and Southcape owners have been assessed $400 to pay for Sandcastle's wireless Internet access!

I have an IP address from capeguitarguy. It's [209.85.219.162]. Is that supposed to be confidential?​

Do you have documentation of this information?

How are Southcape owners assessed to improve Sandcastle?​

I sent you the documentation.

We Southcape owners have been levied a $400 Special Assessment for improvements, including wireless Internet access, which have yet to be made, while Sandcastle seems to have wireless Internet access without yet being levied a Special Assessment.

Meanwhile, who else has been at Sandcastle this week who is already registered to post on TUG? Let's hear it from them. Has wireless Internet access been installed at Sandcastle? It wasn't there when ChrisH was there!

Sorry, I meant documentation of the following:

"Southcape owners have been assessed $400 to pay for Sandcastle's wireless Internet access!"

Your post leads to the conclusion that Cliff is diverting funds from Southcape to pay for improvements at Sandcastle. Which would likely be a criminal offense.

Maybe that is not what you intended to say. Perhaps you mean that Sandcastle is getting wireless without an assessment, while Southcape is being assessed for that improvement. Which is not the same as Southcape paying for Sandcastle's wireless access.

 

[Classylassy523]

Here's a tip from the Hagberg playbook of alts....when try to sound like a woman, use the word "whilst"...even if you are trying to create two totally different woman...like Viv and Ginny...because everyone knows all women use this word all the time!

Cathy

We do? Hmmmm Is that supposed to be a classy, high rent type of word?

Jean

 

[Classylassy523]

Fingerprints

I have this vision of Cliff sitting at his computer, hunched over, teeheeing. When he is ProfPaul he has on a cardigan sweater and horned rims. When he is Viv he wears fake fingernails and a blonde wig. When he is capeguitar man he is dressed like Elvis. And, all the while, he is wearing latex gloves to prevent leaving his fingerprints on the keyboard.

I am sorry Cliff, but I just couldn't resist. I have a vivid imagination and think graphically.

 

[tombo]

I have this vision of Cliff sitting at his computer, hunched over, teeheeing. When he is ProfPaul he has on a cardigan sweater and horned rims. When he is Viv he wears fake fingernails and a blonde wig. When he is capeguitar man he is dressed like Elvis. And, all the while, he is wearing latex gloves to prevent leaving his fingerprints on the keyboard.

I am sorry Cliff, but I just couldn't resist. I have a vivid imagination and think graphically.

You paint a good picture and do have a good imagination, however I think Cliff has to win the imagination award.

Unfortunatelly his characters lack believability, but they are numerous, and they are different in many ways (locations, gender, occupations etc.). We all know that these posters are fictional characters, the scary thing would be if Cliff actually believed that they were real.

 

[mweinberg]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecwinch

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sou13
What's really bugging me now is that Sandcastle has wireless Internet while Southcape is still waiting for it, and Southcape owners have been assessed $400 to pay for Sandcastle's wireless Internet access!

I have an IP address from capeguitarguy. It's [209.85.219.162]. Is that supposed to be confidential?​

Do you have documentation of this information?

How are Southcape owners assessed to improve Sandcastle?​

I sent you the documentation.

We Southcape owners have been levied a $400 Special Assessment for improvements, including wireless Internet access, which have yet to be made, while Sandcastle seems to have wireless Internet access without yet being levied a Special Assessment.

Meanwhile, who else has been at Sandcastle this week who is already registered to post on TUG? Let's hear it from them. Has wireless Internet access been installed at Sandcastle? It wasn't there when ChrisH was there!

Wireless Internet access was available at the Sandcastle during the week of June 27 to July 4, but only from the lobby and second floor lounge in the Dunes Building. The signal wasn't powerful enough to be picked up in rooms or in the other building.

 

[ChrisH]

LOL

I have this vision of Cliff sitting at his computer, hunched over, teeheeing. When he is ProfPaul he has on a cardigan sweater and horned rims. When he is Viv he wears fake fingernails and a blonde wig. When he is capeguitar man he is dressed like Elvis. And, all the while, he is wearing latex gloves to prevent leaving his fingerprints on the keyboard.

I am sorry Cliff, but I just couldn't resist. I have a vivid imagination and think graphically.

:hysterical: Oh, no!!!! I think you might ruffle OCTOPERSONA's Tenticles :hysterical:

 

[Sou13]

ProfPaul got a gift card!

So ProfPaul got a $50 gift card for listening to the Outfield Marketing spiel! All I got was a cup of coffee!

 

[mweinberg]

So ProfPaul got a $50 gift card for listening to the Outfield Marketing spiel! All I got was a cup of coffee!

If you had gone along with the deal, though, you would have gotten that lovely leather binder http://tugbbs.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

 

[Classylassy523]

So ProfPaul got a $50 gift card for listening to the Outfield Marketing spiel! All I got was a cup of coffee!

I didn't even get coffee. Of course I did have an 'attitude'. I think he couldn't get me out there fast enough.

 

[Classylassy523]

TUG Member

I just want everyone to know that I am now a TUG member. It still says Guest. I have a few emails explaining how to make the Guest go away and Member to show up. I just have to twist my head around it and get it fixed.

And, I didn't have any $50 gift card to pay for it either.

So I am a TUG MEMBER and proud of it!

Jean

 

[ChrisH]

I'm always listed as Guest TOO!

I just want everyone to know that I am now a TUG member. It still says Guest. I have a few emails explaining how to make the Guest go away and Member to show up. I just have to twist my head around it and get it fixed.

And, I didn't have any $50 gift card to pay for it either.

So I am a TUG MEMBER and proud of it!

Jean

I didn't get the gift card, and

I had to MAKE THE COFFEE myself!!!

I'm always listed as guest too, don't know why, not worried about it.:zzz:

Welcome aboard new MEMBER -

I love your sense of humor Jean. :hysterical:

Chris

 

[mayorpw]

I didn't get the gift card, and

I had to MAKE THE COFFEE myself!!!

I'm always listed as guest too, don't know why, not worried about it.:zzz:

Welcome aboard new MEMBER -

I love your sense of humor Jean. :hysterical:

Chris

i have been an owner for many years and all of you are complaining because you were asked to pay to go to a better system, ask those who have pts and there are hardly any complaints the problem is you cant fix stupid and that consists of all of you that have nothing better to do than cause a stir, so with that if you dont like it thats fine but dont try to stop someone else that can afford it to better their vacation options

 

[ecwinch]

i have been an owner for many years and all of you are complaining because you were asked to pay to go to a better system, ask those who have pts and there are hardly any complaints the problem is you cant fix stupid and that consists of all of you that have nothing better to do than cause a stir, so with that if you dont like it thats fine but dont try to stop someone else that can afford it to better their vacation options

I respect your right to have the opinion that you enjoy your ownership, feel that pts are a good system, and feel the developer is improving the resort by offering you the opportunity to join a pts system.

I think it is completely inappropriate for you to infer those that do feel the same way are stupid. That does not strengthen your opinion, if fact it does the opposite.

Voicing disagreement with the Developers policies in no way stops you or anyone else from improving their vacation options.

But insulting people in order to voice your disagreement is not an appropriate rebuttal to the concerns voiced here.

And the post is too transparent Cliff. Would you like me to give you some pointers on how you might spend just a little time and at least create some small measure of doubt that you are not Cliff or a Cliff proxy. Of course, it flys out the window when you immediately start making self-serving posts.

I feel like I am in a bad episode of Scooby-Doo. We keep ripping the mask off the reveal the evil developer, but they keep popping up. Can someone pass the scooby snacks?

And if you get this upset when people voice disagreement on a forum, how are you going to react when this in front of a judge?

 

[mayorpw]

I respect your right to have the opinion that you enjoy your ownership, feel that pts are a good system, and feel the developer is improving the resort by offering you the opportunity to join a pts system.

I think it is completely inappropriate for you to infer those that do feel the same way are stupid. That does not strengthen your opinion, if fact it does the opposite.

Voicing disagreement with the Developers policies in no way stops you or anyone else from improving their vacation options.

But insulting people in order to voice your disagreement is not an appropriate rebuttal to the concerns voiced here.

And the post is too transparent Cliff. Would you like me to give you some pointers on how you might spend just a little time and at least create some small measure of doubt that you are not Cliff or a Cliff proxy. Of course, it flys out the window when you immediately start making self-serving posts.

I feel like I am in a bad episode of Scooby-Doo. We keep ripping the mask off the reveal the evil developer, but they keep popping up. Can someone pass the scooby snacks?

And if you get this upset when people voice disagreement on a forum, how are you going to react when this in front of a judge?

you have an opinion and as well i do, and assumption is a problem here rick

 

[e.bram]

We now have Decoman.

 

[Carolinian]

We now have Decoman.

This one may actually be an alias for someone from Festiva, a real cesspool of a system. Or defending Festiva, too, may be a new disguise for the man with multiple personalities.

 

[Classylassy523]

i have been an owner for many years and all of you are complaining because you were asked to pay to go to a better system, ask those who have pts and there are hardly any complaints the problem is you cant fix stupid and that consists of all of you that have nothing better to do than cause a stir, so with that if you dont like it thats fine but dont try to stop someone else that can afford it to better their vacation options

If Festiva Resorts is such a wonderful organization then how come they are in trouble up to their eyeballs in so many states? Go to Google and type in Festiva Resorts and Attorney General. You will get page after page from state after state regarding the actions of Festiva Resorts. This company doesn't care about hurting people, over charging people, robbing people blind with their 'good deeds'.

To make matters worse Festiva hooks up with the likes of Outfield Marketing. Talk about going from bad to worse. I don't know if you have been subjected to the selling technique of this band of renegades, but I have. It was insulting, demeaning, hurtful and scurrilous. I was misled to believe that the meeting was to discuss the changes coming to my resort. The only things this person had to say about the Sandcastle were derogatory and for the most part blatantly untrue ... out and out lies is another way to put it. If this organization is so upright and above board, then why do they refuse to give people information or brochures about their offerings? Instead, they demand that you put your signature on the dotted line, cross their palms with money, and then they will give you information. This has been going on since our resort was taken over. And, no matter how much complaining, no matter how many report them, they just continue. Mr. Hagberg has been told time and time again ... not just here ... and not just the people who post here. And, he just doesn't get rid of them. Why, you might ask? Because he cannot get rid of them. They control the Board of Trustees. In my estimation, Cliff Hagberg is just the front guy for one of the most dishonest, disgusting organizations I have ever come across. A warm body from Massachusetts was probably needed and Cliff filled the bill.

So, there you have my opinion about Festiva Resorts, its points program and Outfield Marketing. I won't get started on Cliff because this post wouldn't end.

 

[ecwinch]

If Festiva Resorts is such a wonderful organization then how come they are in trouble up to their eyeballs in so many states? Go to Google and type in Festiva Resorts and Attorney General. You will get page after page from state after state regarding the actions of Festiva Resorts. This company doesn't care about hurting people, over charging people, robbing people blind with their 'good deeds'.

To make matters worse Festiva hooks up with the likes of Outfield Marketing. Talk about going from bad to worse. I don't know if you have been subjected to the selling technique of this band of renegades, but I have. It was insulting, demeaning, hurtful and scurrilous. I was misled to believe that the meeting was to discuss the changes coming to my resort. The only things this person had to say about the Sandcastle were derogatory and for the most part blatantly untrue ... out and out lies is another way to put it. If this organization is so upright and above board, then why do they refuse to give people information or brochures about their offerings? Instead, they demand that you put your signature on the dotted line, cross their palms with money, and then they will give you information. This has been going on since our resort was taken over. And, no matter how much complaining, no matter how many report them, they just continue. Mr. Hagberg has been told time and time again ... not just here ... and not just the people who post here. And, he just doesn't get rid of them. Why, you might ask? Because he cannot get rid of them. They control the Board of Trustees. In my estimation, Cliff Hagberg is just the front guy for one of the most dishonest, disgusting organizations I have ever come across. A warm body from Massachusetts was probably needed and Cliff filled the bill.

So, there you have my opinion about Festiva Resorts, its points program and Outfield Marketing. I won't get started on Cliff because this post wouldn't end.

The speculation is that Festiva provided the financial backing that allowed Cliff and Outfield to buy the developer rights and inventory.

Alt Cliff will probably pop in and tell me I do not know what I am talking about.

 

[ecwinch]

you have an opinion and as well i do, and assumption is a problem here rick

Only your assumption that we are stupid.

And Cliff's assumption that it could roll up the owners and do what he pleased with the developer rights he purchased.

And his assumption that "as a leading expert on timeshare resales" that he could show up here and show those ignorant timeshare owners a thing or two. I think that assumption was similar to General Custer's assumption about the Indians at Little Big Horn. With a similar outcome.

And Outfields assumption that they could use questionable sales tactics to scare owners into buying the drivel they were selling.

And his lenders assumption that Cliff could pull all this off before he goes into default. And I hear a clock ticking every minute of every day in that regard. Hope they sell cup-a-noodles on the cape.

And while I indicated that I respect your right to have an opinion, you do not have the right to insult people by calling them stupid.
JMO