Restrictions placed on non-club resale points for HICV

[ltdan]

Well, that will put me in a pretty strong bargaining position when I get my next "VIP Owner Update"!

Thank you, @golfman . I wish I had known before I purchased, but I still think I did ok.

 

[Bmatrose]

what golfman said is 100% accurate

 

[Salo_hcin]

I currently own at South Beach and Gatlinburg, both bought resale with no restrictions. Together, the deeds total 318,000 points annually, and both properties exchange through RCI.

I’m now looking to get access to Interval International (II) so I can use those points to book through II.

From what I understand, the following HICV properties exchange through II:

• New Orleans Resort
• David Walley’s Resort
• Tahoe Ridge Resort
• Williamsburg Resort

But none of them transfer without restrictions when bought resale.

So here’s my question:
Is there any way for me to get access to II without buying from HICV?

During a recent update, I was offered 30,000 points at New Orleans for $8,000, which would supposedly give me access to II. From what I can tell, buying directly from HICV might be the only way to make that happen.

Would appreciate any thoughts or clarification on this.

 

[bizaro86]

I currently own at South Beach and Gatlinburg, both bought resale with no restrictions. Together, the deeds total 318,000 points annually, and both properties exchange through RCI.

I’m now looking to get access to Interval International (II) so I can use those points to book through II.

From what I understand, the following HICV properties exchange through II:

• New Orleans Resort
• David Walley’s Resort
• Tahoe Ridge Resort
• Williamsburg Resort

But none of them transfer without restrictions when bought resale.

So here’s my question:
Is there any way for me to get access to II without buying from HICV?

During a recent update, I was offered 30,000 points at New Orleans for $8,000, which would supposedly give me access to II. From what I can tell, buying directly from HICV might be the only way to make that happen.

Would appreciate any thoughts or clarification on this.

You can get a much better II trader than HICV points for a lot less than $8000 resale. If you truly want II access getting it from a developer HICV purchase is a bad plan.

 

[Salo_hcin]

You can get a much better II trader than HICV points for a lot less than $8000 resale. If you truly want II access getting it from a developer HICV purchase is a bad plan.

Our main goal is to be able to book Disney Resorts. Our daughter is about to turn 3, so we’re hoping to trade the 318,000 points we already have for stays at Disney properties.

I’m just trying to figure out the most affordable way to get access to II so we can make the most of what we already own. I agree with you a developer purchase is not the affordable way.

I’ve read a few recommendations suggesting Wyndham as a good option for this. The thing is, we don’t use the full 318K points each year as it is, so I’d really prefer not to buy a ton more points or commit to another timeshare where we can't use all the points. Out of the 318K, we use about 108k and rent out the rest.

Giving all this, it looks like access to II is not in our future anytime soon. We will just have to book at Orange Lake.

 

[Mongoose]

I currently own at South Beach and Gatlinburg, both bought resale with no restrictions. Together, the deeds total 318,000 points annually, and both properties exchange through RCI.

I’m now looking to get access to Interval International (II) so I can use those points to book through II.

From what I understand, the following HICV properties exchange through II:

• New Orleans Resort
• David Walley’s Resort
• Tahoe Ridge Resort
• Williamsburg Resort

But none of them transfer without restrictions when bought resale.

So here’s my question:
Is there any way for me to get access to II without buying from HICV?

During a recent update, I was offered 30,000 points at New Orleans for $8,000, which would supposedly give me access to II. From what I can tell, buying directly from HICV might be the only way to make that happen.

Would appreciate any thoughts or clarification on this.

Did you buy back when they gave you status on these resales or after. I had those plus Lake Geneva, but sold them when we moved out West.

 

[Salo_hcin]

Did you buy back when they gave you status on these resales or after. I had those plus Lake Geneva, but sold them when we moved out West.

I have never bought anything from HICV if that's what you are asking. I have only owed them for 2 years. They are pushing me to Signaturize my account but I always turn them down. I only do the updates for the gifts at the end.

 

[bnoble]

I’ve read a few recommendations suggesting Wyndham as a good option for this. The thing is, we don’t use the full 318K points each year as it is, so I’d really prefer not to buy a ton more points or commit to another timeshare where we can't use all the points. Out of the 318K, we use about 108k and rent out the rest.

We will just have to book at Orange Lake.

There are two more possibilities to consider. One: use the proceeds from your rental to rent a DVC stay from an owner. It will be more expensive than exchanging, but doable. Two: an exchange into Wyndham Bonnet Creek. It's not a Disney resort, and does not come with the latter's perks, but it has an excellent location just off Buena Vista, between Caribbean Beach and Disney Springs.

 

[Salo_hcin]

There are two more possibilities to consider. One: use the proceeds from your rental to rent a DVC stay from an owner. It will be more expensive than exchanging, but doable. Two: an exchange into Wyndham Bonnet Creek. It's not a Disney resort, and does not come with the latter's perks, but it has an excellent location just off Buena Vista, between Caribbean Beach and Disney Springs.

Would Bonnet Creek be better than Orange Lake? I'm not familiar with either location, I just know Orange Lake is 25min from Disney. I have only been to Disney once and that was in 2013 long before I knew anything about timeshares.

Thanks for the suggestions I will looking into renting and Bonnet Creek!

 

[Mongoose]

I have never bought anything from HICV if that's what you are asking. I have only owed them for 2 years. They are pushing me to Signaturize my account but I always turn them down. I only do the updates for the gifts at the end.

No, resale. Early on you got status.

 

[Mongoose]

Our main goal is to be able to book Disney Resorts. Our daughter is about to turn 3, so we’re hoping to trade the 318,000 points we already have for stays at Disney properties.

I’m just trying to figure out the most affordable way to get access to II so we can make the most of what we already own. I agree with you a developer purchase is not the affordable way.

I’ve read a few recommendations suggesting Wyndham as a good option for this. The thing is, we don’t use the full 318K points each year as it is, so I’d really prefer not to buy a ton more points or commit to another timeshare where we can't use all the points. Out of the 318K, we use about 108k and rent out the rest.

Giving all this, it looks like access to II is not in our future anytime soon. We will just have to book at Orange Lake.

Disney is hard to exchange in to. Suggest you do a lot of research before buying Wyndham. Orange lake and HICV resale like you have is great for young families.

 

[bnoble]

Bonnet is about 12-15 minutes, door-to-parking lot, from MK. Bonnet exchanges in RCI, so that is also an option.

 

[tony_i]

Consider adding a Worldmark account, which would give you access to II and offers great value. It also opens a bunch of resorts on the west, so it complements HICV. The system is as flexible as HICV and has great value with different cash deals. There is a decent market to "rent out" your credits, so lots of options.

There is a WMOwners forum and you could see post of sightings on Disney properties to give an idea of what has been reported for exchanges. I have not used II for the past 2 years, but I had great exchanges when I did. I have attached the last 2 post for DSS to give you an idea of the sightings.

 

[Rdub79]

I currently own at South Beach and Gatlinburg, both bought resale with no restrictions. Together, the deeds total 318,000 points annually, and both properties exchange through RCI.

I’m now looking to get access to Interval International (II) so I can use those points to book through II.

From what I understand, the following HICV properties exchange through II:

• New Orleans Resort
• David Walley’s Resort
• Tahoe Ridge Resort
• Williamsburg Resort

But none of them transfer without restrictions when bought resale.

So here’s my question:
Is there any way for me to get access to II without buying from HICV?

During a recent update, I was offered 30,000 points at New Orleans for $8,000, which would supposedly give me access to II. From what I can tell, buying directly from HICV might be the only way to make that happen.

Would appreciate any thoughts or clarification on this.

I bought 30,000 trust points several years ago to enroll a resale week and the points were from Ridge Tahoe so I have II access now. The trade power has been disappointing. Although I can usually see the Disney resorts when they show up in the sightings forum. Not sure if I would see the 2bedrooms or not. There have been many times when higher end resorts were sighted outside of any priorities by others here in tug and I can not see them. So I recently picked up a Marriott lock off to solve this problem for me. However the one thing I do like about HIVC in II is that the lower demand weeks are 55,000 points for a 2bedroom which will be way cheaper then using my new lock off. So I can save my Marriott for high demand stuff and use my HIVC points for off season stuff.

 

[BinaryHackerMan]

Yes

correct, ive been trying to find a resale trust owner to verify but no one on here or the facebook pages have any experience.

I’m still very new to all this, my ownership (developer purchase September of 24) was for “Orange Lake Land Trust Points” but my “access resort” is Fox River.

I think that means I have “trust points” that in theory are subject to all the above restrictions.

I found this listing that also has a home resort of Fox River and at that price I’m considering pulling the trigger to be the guy who can answer the question in 2025 since nobody seems to really know for sure yet. The fee is in line with that I’m already paying (this would double my points) I did the math before buying and decided even if I transferred all my points to IHG One Rewards and never used the time share it’s actually not a bad price compared to buying rewards points direct (plus, transferred HICV points count towards rewards status according to customer service)

The restrictions provided by the sellers agent are fewer than the list in the OP:

• Points are good for 1 use year only and do not rollover
• Points can only be used in the same use year as reservation year
• “Standard” points can only be used for standard inventory across the HICV resort
network
• “Signature” points can only be used for signature inventory across the HICV resort
network
• Booking window is 6 months or less of the arrival date
• Minimum two night stay
• May check-in any day of the week
• Cannot borrow or purchase additional points to complete reservation
• $99 non-refundable reservation fee at time of booking
• $79 modification fee for reservations changes
• No external exchanges allowed (Ex. RCI, II, etc.)
• No guest certificates, only the owner on the deeded interest can use the
reservations

I figure even if I can only use the aftermarket points in network it wouldn’t totally suck and I can just transfer my developer purchased points.

Does anyone know if they really separate points into buckets like that? I did get 100k bonus points that were only good for a year so I suppose they might.

I’m also considering buying them in an LLC in case they really try to screw me since it seems Horizons is not a guaranteed deed back as was pitched at the sales presentation though that would invalidate the experiment. Maybe personally I buy one of the 30k tranches so the MF is only $300 instead of a couple thousand.

Open to thoughts

 

[cmiller10]

Newbie to the forum with a resale question. Are there different/special restrictions on use of resale deeds that are characterized as UDI, specifically from the South Beach resort?

 

[lundberry]

Newbie to the forum with a resale question. Are there different/special restrictions on use of resale deeds that are characterized as UDI, specifically from the South Beach resort?

so South Beach is one of three resorts that do not have the normal restrictions. These include South Beach, Smokey Mountain Resort in Gatlinburg, and Lake Geneva resort. I own at 2 out of the three resorts and they are usable just like trust points that were purchased from the developer.

 

[Rdub79]

Newbie to the forum with a resale question. Are there different/special restrictions on use of resale deeds that are characterized as UDI, specifically from the South Beach resort?

One thing you might have to be careful about is if you happen to come across a south beach deed that is for signature points it may be a UDI that will have resale restrictions. I think you want the deed to be associated with a unit and a week which will be worth a certain amount of points.