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Privileges Status

I would be cautious on the grace period advice.
You weren’t an owner the last time we went through this with Voyagers launch.
We all knew changes were coming & the day Wyndham made the official announcement of the changes with implementing Voyager those changes took effect immediately the day of the announcement.
Example:
Credit Pool gone no grace period at all. You could’ve the day before but the morning of the announcement it was done & gone not even an hour of a grace period

Agreed. What I mean is that we can expect some more explicit announcements on Privileges in Q1 2020 with more specific timelines and the announcement of the interim grace period.

The new website isn’t anywhere close to being ready, hence the late 2020 estimate at this time. I suspect it may well push into early 2021 based upon Wyndham’s track record.


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Just because it’s common doesn’t mean it’s great. It just means it is what it is. We share common ground in providing visibility to the deceptions and attempting to get Wyndham to wake up to the fact that the customer experience management practices in use are really nothing short of miserable and if they do not change said practices Wyndham will collapse under its own weight sooner or later. With economic justice becoming a primary talking point in our political spectrum, and for good reason, companies like Wyndham had damn well better sit up and take notice, and implement serious changes to their customer experience management strategies, or suffer the inevitable consequences further down the line.


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You and I have both posted on this subject in the past. How we believe Wyndham has an excellent product but from the sales practices, the way the Wyndham salespeople deceive, outright lie and manipulate, you would think what they are selling is the worst product ever. The timeshare equivalent of a car with badly faded paint, dents in fenders, doors and quarter panels, a door or two that doesn't close right, four bald tires, a badly cracked windshield and when you attempt to start it, it takes several tries to even get it to turn over and then clouds of black smoke come out of the tailpipe.

Mistake #1: This will come back to haunt Wyndham big time. Sales telling owners they won't be grandfathered at their current level if they don't make a purchase now. Wyndham said from the start and it was repeated repeatedly at the owners meeting that current owners will be grandfathered at their current level's new name.

Mistake #2: Arrogant and offensive sales people who can't at least be bothered to come up with better lies then continue to insist they are right and the owner who knows better is wrong. When their lies get challenged by a knowledgeable owner they should cut their losses right then and there because they aren't going to make a sale. Other owners not as knowledgeable may also be in the room and overhearing the conversation or hearing about it later at the pool, fire pit, etc. That owner who had the horrible sales experience is very likely going to spread the word about their sales experience. This past week on one of the Wyndham Owners Facebook groups Kayla at Fairfield Glade was specifically mentioned for how horribly she lied to and treated an owner in an update. Other people added their comments about having dealt with her. Thousands, literally thousands of people in just that one Facebook group read those posts.

The Really, Really Huge Mistake #3: Wyndham salespeople prey on the uninformed owner. And it's even worse when they convince an uninformed owner to make a new purchase and give up something they should have never given up. In the coming up on 18 years we've owned I can tell you that the worst and most vocal haters are the uninformed owners who get taken advantage of. They go out of their way to make sure to spread the word about their experience and they don't forget. While we were staying at a resort twice now I've had people wanting to give me their deeded points at Nashville because they wanted nothing to do with Wyndham and telling everyone why they felt that way. When I declined they moved on to offering it to other people they would be talking to during the remainder of their stay. In the one case it was three years ago this past summer and a couple in their mid 70's. They also owned a fixed week at a resort through RCI and that is where we were staying at the time. We were sitting in a group of people talking and when they found out we were Wyndham owners it opened a floodgate. After telling all the details the wife was almost begging me to take their paid for deed and willing to pay the costs. I felt bad for them so just said that being platinum already we had more points than we knew what to do with and thanked her for her offer. She proceeded to ask all of them if anyone else wanted it. When I saw her later in the week she said she still hadn't found anyone who wanted it but they had a stay at a Wyndham resort coming up and hoped they would be able to find another Wyndham owner who wanted it. When it was just my husband and I he asked why I didn't want their points and why they were so unhappy. I explained that they had been conned into trading what they had that had low maintenance fees and that Nashville's maintenance fees are really, really high. Also that after all they spent they didn't have enough points to be able to do all that much with. They got one week a year in a two bedroom deluxe at Bonnet Creek because of when they were going. I explained how much less our maintenance fees were on the same number of points and that we easily got 3-4 weeks vacation with the same number of points. And Dominic, it about kills me to say this, but I told my husband they could and did rent cheaper from other owners than stays cost them as owners. So how many people at that resort and the Wyndham resort they were going to heard a story that was enough to convince anyone they would never want to own Wyndham? The sales person who took advantage of an elderly couple got his or her sale but how many potential sales did the company lose because of it. The saddest part is that the salesperson could have still made the sale and done right by them instead of completely screwing them over. Instead of having them give up their lower maintenance fee deed he or she could have just sold them the additional points at Nashville (this happened at Nashville btw) and helped them enroll their week at that resort in RCI (where we were staying) in the PIC program. They would have at least been permanent silver and been able to get a whole lot more out of their ownership instead of becoming virulent Wyndham haters.

I've posted that I had hopes that when Michael Brown took over we would see sweeping changes in the sales model but that hasn't happened. At least not so far. The way Wyndham is turning a blind eye to what sales is doing at this time is going to bite them in the butt so very much harder than they are allowing themselves to see. Not that there aren't already a a number of unhappy owners but I think what is going on since the concept of Privileges was announced and will continue until it rolls out will escalate those numbers exponentially. Wyndham will not survive without those repeat buyers and the VIP/Privileges program is the carrot that gets people to buy more points.

Wyndham better make darn sure the Privileges program has some really good benefits not some half-assed stuff that's a joke and only an idiot would think was worthwhile.
 
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5/20/19 sounds right, I know it was around July so that sounds right. That should be a sort of real date, maybe...., the date they all have said, and that sheet says, "lock in your priveleges now", and my original question was trying to figure out when "now" was.
As far as the meetings, it is funny one time they say need to get out of CWA, and get more deeds, the next time they say deeds are bad, should be all CWA. We shall see what the new year brings!
 
5/20/19 sounds right, I know it was around July so that sounds right. That should be a sort of real date, maybe...., the date they all have said, and that sheet says, "lock in your priveleges now", and my original question was trying to figure out when "now" was.
As far as the meetings, it is funny one time they say need to get out of CWA, and get more deeds, the next time they say deeds are bad, should be all CWA. We shall see what the new year brings!

Actually the CEO announcement to VIP owners was on 5/16/2019 to be exact, but there was no explicit date mentioned in that missive, but I would peg it to May 2019 as a general timeframe. Again, this would only apply to potential Advantage owners, since all existing VIP owners are grandfathered.

Specific to the purchase of CWA vs CWS, this is an oft used ploy by sales depending on what you currently own. If you own CWS what you own is junk and you need to convert to CWA because that’s where all of the inventory is headed. If you own CWA then your MFs are going to go through the roof soon and you need to convert to CWS to lower your MFs. Round and round the merry-go-round we go!


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In pigeon forge the other day, and other places recently, the pitch was that a retail purchase would have to be made to get to platinum/founders, "can't be grandfathered in to something that doesn't as yet exist", which does make sense. It also makes sense not to buy yo to something that doesn't exist, since benefits aren't known, so that's a hard sale for me! Also the "pics won't count toward founders...." spiel.
 
5/20/19 sounds right, I know it was around July so that sounds right. That should be a sort of real date, maybe...., the date they all have said, and that sheet says, "lock in your priveleges now", and my original question was trying to figure out when "now" was.
As far as the meetings, it is funny one time they say need to get out of CWA, and get more deeds, the next time they say deeds are bad, should be all CWA. We shall see what the new year brings!

Plus, that's more or less the third anniversary of the rollout of Voyager and all the on-line and ownership enhancements that came with it. I've enjoyed all the enhancements I can stand.
 
In pigeon forge the other day, and other places recently, the pitch was that a retail purchase would have to be made to get to platinum/founders, "can't be grandfathered in to something that doesn't as yet exist", which does make sense. It also makes sense not to buy yo to something that doesn't exist, since benefits aren't known, so that's a hard sale for me! Also the "pics won't count toward founders...." spiel.

PICs will count - so says the COO at the owners meeting no less. Grandfathering has already been decided as well. Just more deception from sales to make a commission unfortunately. Wait for the official grace period to start, that’s my chosen approach at this time.


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PICs will count - so says the COO at the owners meeting no less. Grandfathering has already been decided as well. Just more deception from sales to make a commission unfortunately. Wait for the official grace period to start, that’s my chosen approach at this time.


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And that is an excellent plan!

We were also at the annual owners meeting last month in Austin so can vouch for what was said there. PIC's will continue to count and all current VIP owners will be grandfathered at their newly named level. I missed hearing about the grace period however.

I will give this warning again for all owners who are grandfathered because it bears repeating. Down the road if you are ever buying more points be extremely careful if you ever do an equity trade. Make absolutely sure you have it written in your contract that you will not lose your grandfathered level if you do an equity trade. If you have PICs that were done with a specific contract and do and equity trade with that contract make sure the PICs are attached to the new purchase. Even then you might still temporarily lose your grandfathered level but you will have what you need in writing to get it reinstated. I've heard too many tales of woe from owners who were grandfathered and bought more points doing an equity trade. After the dust settled and it was too late to rescind they looked at their account and found themselves no longer gold but now silver or no longer platinum but now gold. They had no idea they could have prevented that because they had no idea it could happen.
 
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And that is an excellent plan!

We were also at the annual owners meeting last month in Austin so can vouch for what was said there. PIC's will continue to count and all current VIP owners will be grandfathered at their newly named level. I missed hearing about the grace period however.

I will give this warning again for all owners who are grandfathered because it bears repeating. Down the road if you are ever buying more points be extremely careful if you ever do an equity trade. Make absolutely sure you have it written in your contract that you will not lose your grandfathered level if you do an equity trade. Even then you might still temporarily lose your grandfathered level but you will have what you need in writing to get it reinstated. I've heard too many tales of woe from owners who were grandfathered and bought more points doing an equity trade. After the dust settled and it was too late to rescind they looked at their account and found themselves no longer gold but now silver or no longer platinum but now gold. They had no idea they could have prevented that because they had no idea it could happen.

In the recent CEO missive to VIPP owners, he specifically mentioned additional details will be shared in January timeframe. I expect that’s when the grace period will be addressed. Waiting with baited breath...


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