Points Assigned vs Points to Reserve [Merged with a points-assigned thread]

[luvgoldns]

Grande Vista

Points Chart for Grande Vista
2-Bedroom
Fri - Sat 450
Sun - Thur 325
Full Week 1,900

From my MVCI account
Grande Vista
Floor Plan: 2BR + 2BA
View Type: Excellent View
I own "Gold"
Point Value 2,175

ileneg

Edit: So it looks like this is one of the few instances where this might work out for the better? Not sure. GV always confuses me cause I originally bought a 2BR at 65% (EOY???) and went back and bought the 2nd "half" w/in a few months. So I have 2 deeds and my MVCI account shows GV twice.

 

[iamnotshopgirl]

No fair...my Oceanside also gets 3075 points. I'm curious as to what Oceanfront and Gardenview get. Looking at the points chart, OV and OS 'cost' the same...I want the premium I paid for my OS back Marriott :hysterical: .

The more I read, the more I'm convinced I'm getting the shaft.

Ingrid

My thinking exactly Ingrid!

Bob

 

[thinze3]

With all my weeks at Marriott, I can at least get a week at my home resort except for one silver week I own at Legends Edge.

My silver week is worth 1,150 pts, but it takes 1,225 to reserve the lowest week there. I can't even trade into my resort at all!!! I can't believe that.

You are paying a little bit of premium for the flexibility that you did not have before, trade for MR pts, anytime check-in and check out, etc..

The membership fees are actually cheaper when you add current II and Marriott fees. So you are essentially gaining the flexibility at about 7-13% premium.

 

[DanCali]

NCV Plat

Here is the calculation for NCV, where Platinum weeks (23-51 ecxcluding July 4 week) are awarded 3475 points.

Week Points
3-Jun 4225
10-Jun 4225
17-Jun 4225
24-Jun 4725
1-Jul NA-PP
8-Jul 4725
15-Jul 4725
22-Jul 4725
29-Jul 4725
5-Aug 4725
12-Aug 4225
19-Aug 4225
26-Aug 4225
2-Sep 4225
9-Sep 4225
16-Sep 2900
23-Sep 2900
30-Sep 2900
7-Oct 2900
14-Oct 2900
21-Oct 2900
28-Oct 2900
4-Nov 2900
11-Nov 2900
18-Nov 2900
25-Nov 2900
2-Dec 2900
9-Dec 2900
16-Dec 2900
23-Dec 4725
30-Dec NA-PP


Average for Plat weeks: 3706

Not as terrible as the MGC 3BR situation. At least we can go when the kids are in school...

The loss relative to average (which some call the "fair" measure) is about 6.3%.

 

[iamnotshopgirl]

I was wondering about that too. Should make reserving those OS rooms a real dream

Agreed. But when you bought OS you were garunteed Building 1 (Lighthouse Tower). Does that now change with the points system? I mean if OS and OV are the same pt wise ????????????

bob

 

[camachinist]

NCV (Newport Coast, CA) Gold (Jan 7 - June 2, 2011/Jan 6 - May 31, 2012)

Points to reserve -
Fri-Sat - 700
Sun-Thurs - 300
Full week - 2900

Points Assigned - 2700

 

[potchak]

So I did some calculating myself on the 3 properties we own.

Manor club- platinum 2bd
The average pts needed for the platinum season is 2573
Points we receive for our 2 bedroom - 2375
Percent of needed pts: 92.3%

Waiohai Platinum 2bd 1-50
The average pts needed for the platinum season is 4526
Points we receive for our 2 bedroom - 4225
Percent of needed pts: 93.3%

Timberlodge Platinum 2bd summer
The average pts needed for the platinum season is 3600
Points we receive for our 2 bedroom - 4150
Percent of needed pts: 115.3%- WOW! I found a good one!

Any clues as to why Timberlodge seems to be better than the average?

 

[jimf41]

I really don't understand the point of this thread. If you bought a week at a resort why would you give that week to II for the purpose of trading back in to your home resort? Once you give it to II there is no guarantee of getting back in or getting anywhere you might want to visit. This is what this thread is asking.

In the past there would be no reason to do this except to game the system. In the future I could see doing it as you now have the ability to pick any week of the year you want. There are no more seasons. If you are a new purchaser this is more expensive than what we all bought but at least you can buy what you want. For all of us weeks based owners this is a home run IMO. You can still reserve any week in your original "season" at no extra cost other than the initial fee and you can pick any "season" that you have accumulated enough points to reserve.

That said here are my numbers for a 3bdrm silver at Ocean Pointe 4225 points assigned

silver season 20 weeks

8 weeks @ 5900 = 47,200
8 weeks @ 4000 = 32,000
4 weeks @ 2000 = 8,000

TOTAL SEASON POINTS 87,200

20 weeks @ 4225 = 84,500

Is Marriott skimming? Well they are getting 2700 more points than what they charge for a season. In exchange they opened up the entire "Gold" season to Silver owners for no charge. I don't have worry about not getting a 3bdrm on a trade anymore. Something that was very hard to do with II.

And the best thing. If I don't like this deal I'll just reserve one of those 5,900 hundred weeks like I have been in the past.

 

[Slakk]

St Kitts Gold Oceanside 2 BR- 4550

Jan 7- Feb 3, April 8-28 4125 points
Feb4-17, Feb 25-April 7 4525 points
April 29-Sept 1, Nov 4-Dec 3325 points (traditional Gold)
Sept 2-Nov 3 2575 points
Pres Week 5675 points
Christmas 5450 points
New Years 6825 points

 

[rsackett]

Here's what I came up with for Manor Club

Just went through the points offered for Manor Club Platinum.

to use points at manor Club for a two bedroom in what is now the Platinum Season there are:

18 weeks that cost 2500 pts.
12 weeks that cost 2950 pts
2 weeks that cost 2175 pts
4 weeks that cost 1400 pts

this results in 90,350 pts / 36 wks = 2510 points per average platinum week. Marriott is offering 2375 points for a Platinum two bedroom a difference of 135 points, or 5.4%.

Out of 36 weeks in the season there are 30 that cost more points than Marriott gives and 6 that cost less.

Ray

 

[5infam]

There have been several for Maui, but I don't think anyone posted for what I have yet - Maui Ocean Club, 1 bedroom, mountain/garden view - weeks 1 to 50. Points I get from Marriott if I trade in are 3,100. According to the chart, the platinum weeks are now one of the 3 following categories for the identical room type and view:

3,100 points
3,550 points
3,725 points

If I average the 3 out, it is 3,458 points - or 89.6%. However, I have only used mine in the summer and have traded back in during the summer, so that would be 3,550 points vs. the 3,100 I would get as a trade or 87.3%.

Maintenance fees...I paid $1,475.07 for my 2010 week. So if you base that on the points Marriott gives me (3,100), then it is $0.4758 per point. If you base it on what I use it for, which is a summer week - then I would need 3,550 points, or $0.4155 per point, which is closer to the $0.40 that apparently will go along with the points.

Sounds like I could do better with the points on MF's, but someone correct me if I screwed up the math.

 

[dougp26364]

I really don't understand the point of this thread. If you bought a week at a resort why would you give that week to II for the purpose of trading back in to your home resort? Once you give it to II there is no guarantee of getting back in or getting anywhere you might want to visit. This is what this thread is asking.

In the past there would be no reason to do this except to game the system. In the future I could see doing it as you now have the ability to pick any week of the year you want. There are no more seasons. If you are a new purchaser this is more expensive than what we all bought but at least you can buy what you want. For all of us weeks based owners this is a home run IMO. You can still reserve any week in your original "season" at no extra cost other than the initial fee and you can pick any "season" that you have accumulated enough points to reserve.

That said here are my numbers for a 3bdrm silver at Ocean Pointe 4225 points assigned

silver season 20 weeks

8 weeks @ 5900 = 47,200
8 weeks @ 4000 = 32,000
4 weeks @ 2000 = 8,000

TOTAL SEASON POINTS 87,200

20 weeks @ 4225 = 84,500

Is Marriott skimming? Well they are getting 2700 more points than what they charge for a season. In exchange they opened up the entire "Gold" season to Silver owners for no charge. I don't have worry about not getting a 3bdrm on a trade anymore. Something that was very hard to do with II.

And the best thing. If I don't like this deal I'll just reserve one of those 5,900 hundred weeks like I have been in the past.

You don't use points to trade back in. The variance is the overage Marriott charges other owners to trade into your resort. When you give Marriott your week for points, then trade into another resort, you're the one making up for the shortage.

Look at it this way, you sell your week to Marriott for 93 cents on the dollar. Marriott then charges you full price for the week you want to reserve. If they did this to everyone, there's a 7 % variance in favor of Marriott. They charge 7% more points than they give.

Now, if you have 1,000,000 points outstanding in your system and, you overcharge you owner/exchangers by 7%, you suddently find yourself (Marriott) with a surplus of points to the tune of 70,000 points. Marriott can then use that surplus to take weeks from the system to rent. If the average points to exchange is 4,000 points, that gives Marriott 17.5 full weeks to rent that they didn't have to pay for.

There is no other system that I'm aware off that offers owners this exciting enhancement of "we'll give you less for you week than we charge everyone else who exchanges in" or, as I like to think of it, the Marriott double standard. All other systems seem to manage just fine without skimming a portion of the points. Why can't Marriott? Even when Hilton started labling all their new units as "premium" and charging more for them, those that bought those units received the "premium" number of points for them. Marriott choose a different path.

 

[mtnpilot]

There IS one positive...

For Summit Watch, the average points required in the platinum season is 4750, and with my assigned points of 4425, the "skimming" is about 7%.

However, those of us with high demand weeks get one real advantage over new "points-only" owners. My maintenance fees this year are around $1200, but under the new system, my maintenance fees would be $1770, a difference of $570 or 48%! So, there are places where we are getting some advantage. I have a feeling that this is the primary reason why it seems that Marriott is skimming from existing owners.

The bottom line is that Marriott is moving to a new system that simplifies marketing, sales, and management, and there are some plusses for existing owners, and some minuses. As for me, I will probably join the program...

MS

 

[taffy19]

Maui Ocean Club -

MMO OF 2bdrm Suites: 6450
Charts for the suites range from 6425 to 7800, week 1-51

MM1 OF 2bdrm Floating Villas: 7475
Charts for the villas range from 7450 to 9050, week 1-51

Week 52 (10,425 points) was lumped in with the rest of the year so did that change the percentages? I only figured the slippage on our own week.

 

[jjking42]

legends edge platinum

points given 2250
points needed for summer 2950

only 76% give me a break

 

[Dave M]

Moderator note #2:

As I stated above, I will be deleting (not transferring) some posts that are not on the titled topic of this thread. Please post elsewhere if you have comments on fairness, whether you like the new program, whether it's a good idea to convert, etc.

 

[NJDave]

Cypress Harbour Special week.

Allocated 2,650 points

It takes at least 2,675 to reserve any week. The average value is 2,828.

Week Points

1 2,675
2 2,675
3 2,675
4 2,675
5 3,225
6 2,900
7 2,900
8 2,900
9 2,900
10 2,900
11 2,900
12 2,900
13 2,675
14 2,675
15 2,675
16 2,675
17 2,675
51 2,900
52 3,225

Average Value 2,828

 

[DanaTom]

Shadow Ridge Gold:

Allocated: 2325
Need for most weeks: 2450

94.9%

However, there are some June months at 1950, and then early November months that require 3175 and Thanksgiving week at 4000! Basically they turned November into Platinum.

 

[dioxide45]

Anyone know what a plat Fairway Villas is getting?

 

[vistana101]

[Message deleted. Please see my above post. Dave M, BBS Moderator]

 

[Superchief]

Ocean Pointe Silver gets more points than Oceana Palms Gold

I do not understand how my Ocean Pointe Silver OV receives more points than Oceana Palms Gold OS.
Ocean Pointe Silver OS 3050
Oceana Palms Gold OV 2625

The Oceana Palms is dramatically undervalued.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

I do not understand how my Ocean Pointe Silver OV receives more points than Oceana Palms Gold OS.
Ocean Pointe Silver OS 3050
Oceana Palms Gold OV 2625

The Oceana Palms is dramitically undervalued.

Oceana Palms set up an expanded Platinum Season compared to Ocean Pointe, and no silver season exists at all at Oceana Palms. Matter of fact, many of Ocean Pointe silver weeks fall during Oceana Palms Platinum Season.

 

[wa.mama]

With all my weeks at Marriott, I can at least get a week at my home resort except for one silver week I own at Legends Edge.

My silver week is worth 1,150 pts, but it takes 1,225 to reserve the lowest week there. I can't even trade into my resort at all!!! I can't believe that.

The Minimum number of points you can own to join the club is 1500. That's why Marriott is offering the "free" 800 points - to allow you to join and trade for one year. Next year you'll be on your own if you want to exchange outside of II.

 

[dougp26364]

For Summit Watch, the average points required in the platinum season is 4750, and with my assigned points of 4425, the "skimming" is about 7%.

However, those of us with high demand weeks get one real advantage over new "points-only" owners. My maintenance fees this year are around $1200, but under the new system, my maintenance fees would be $1770, a difference of $570 or 48%! So, there are places where we are getting some advantage. I have a feeling that this is the primary reason why it seems that Marriott is skimming from existing owners.

The bottom line is that Marriott is moving to a new system that simplifies marketing, sales, and management, and there are some plusses for existing owners, and some minuses. As for me, I will probably join the program...

MS

What I'd like to know is why the trust MF's are so much higher than the resorts MF's. In theory, the trust MF's should be an average of all the resorts in the trust. Yet it seems to me that the trust MF's are considerably higher than just about every Marriott resort, which are notorious for having the highest MF's in the industry.

Could it be that Marriott is not only skimming points but gouging on the MF's as well? It sort of looks that way to me. Maybe Perry was correct that Marriott was on the verge of insolvency and they needed a new bankroll to keep going.

 

[dioxide45]

What I'd like to know is why the trust MF's are so much higher than the resorts MF's. In theory, the trust MF's should be an average of all the resorts in the trust. Yet it seems to me that the trust MF's are considerably higher than just about every Marriott resort, which are notorious for having the highest MF's in the industry.

Could it be that Marriott is not only skimming points but gouging on the MF's as well? It sort of looks that way to me. Maybe Perry was correct that Marriott was on the verge of insolvency and they needed a new bankroll to keep going.

Actually if I own enough points for a silver week somewhere the MF are much lower than what an owner currently pays. This was discussed a lot in the speculation thread. In a weeks based system the MF are spread evenly among all owners, it is just how it works. In a points based system it doesn't work that way. People with enough points for platinum weeks will pay much more MF than those with enough weeks for a cheap silver or bronze week.