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Points Assigned vs Points to Reserve [Merged with a points-assigned thread]

scrapngen

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There is no "skim". The value given to each owner each use period reflects the total number of points in the season they own - which has some weeks worth more in absolute terms than others but all are in that season - divided by the total number of weeks and the resulting average value is what you get as an owner. No skim.

Lets do it very simply.

There are 4 Golden weeks. There are 100 total owners. But one is a holiday week. So 3 of the weeks cost 500 points to reserve but the one holiday week costs 700. The total available points to all owners of that season is 220,000. But no one "owns" the super value week - all owners can try to get it - so the value each owner gets is 550. No skim. No one gets the value of the super week on total and no one gets only the lower value. They all get their fair share to use as they please.

If there were deeded use weeks then each of the 3 should get 500 points and the owners of the 4, super week, would get 700. But they all have a right to it & all get the value. Get it?

I understand this, but it is very simple for fixed weeks. Now, I have to say this would make sense in re: my fixed week 51 as it was also sold as part of a float week on some of the first deeds until they changed to a Platinum Plus week later. Now (according to someone else's post) they have given me the same points for my fixed week as the floaters are getting, not a reflection of the higher price/value they had placed on it with the fixed designation. Good for the floaters, bad for me.

fixed Waiohai 51 assigned: 4225
fixed Waiohai 51 to reserve: 5075
83%

fixed Waiohai 52 assigned: 5175
fixed Waiohai 52 to reserve: 5550
93%

MF/point ratios: .35 and .28 respectively (if I did it right)
$1475MF/assigned point total
 

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I understand this, but it is very simple for fixed weeks. Now, I have to say this would make sense in re: my fixed week 51 as it was also sold as part of a float week on some of the first deeds until they changed to a Platinum Plus week later. Now (according to someone else's post) they have given me the same points for my fixed week as the floaters are getting, not a reflection of the higher price/value they had placed on it with the fixed designation. Good for the floaters, bad for me.

fixed Waiohai 51 assigned: 4225
fixed Waiohai 51 to reserve: 5075
83%

fixed Waiohai 52 assigned: 5175
fixed Waiohai 52 to reserve: 5550
93%

MF/point ratios: .35 and .28 respectively (if I did it right)
$1475MF/assigned point total

I also own fixed week plat+ New Year's week at Grand Chateau. Assigned points are 2975; points needed to reserve are 3175...that tells me I am not getting in points assignments, the value of the week. This is a new resort and there aren't the issues described above.

Ingrid
 

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Canyon Villas, Phoenix, Arizona week 52, 2br/2ba, view excellent, point value = 3900. Points to reserve = 4,175. Difference of 275 points. What is the cost of purchasing the additional points? 93% of value.:confused:
 

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No fair...my Oceanside also gets 3075 points. I'm curious as to what Oceanfront and Gardenview get. Looking at the points chart, OV and OS 'cost' the same...I want the premium I paid for my OS back Marriott :hysterical: .

The more I read, the more I'm convinced I'm getting the shaft.

Ingrid

I was wondering about that too. Should make reserving those OS rooms a real dream :(
 

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There is no "skim". The value given to each owner each use period reflects the total number of points in the season they own - which has some weeks worth more in absolute terms than others but all are in that season - divided by the total number of weeks and the resulting average value is what you get as an owner. No skim.

Lets do it very simply.

There are 4 Golden weeks. There are 100 total owners. But one is a holiday week. So 3 of the weeks cost 500 points to reserve but the one holiday week costs 700. The total available points to all owners of that season is 220,000. But no one "owns" the super value week - all owners can try to get it - so the value each owner gets is 550. No skim. No one gets the value of the super week on total and no one gets only the lower value. They all get their fair share to use as they please.

If there were deeded use weeks then each of the 3 should get 500 points and the owners of the 4, super week, would get 700. But they all have a right to it & all get the value. Get it?

Sure there is a skim. Marriott gives an owner 4,000 points for a week but another owner must pay 5,000 points for that same week. That might not be skim in the technical term of the word but, there's a 1,000 point profit for Marriott on the deal. Give 4,000 for the week and sell/rent it to another for 5,000 points. Call it a 1,000 point profit rather than a skim. It's still a variance of 1,000 points in Marriott's favor.

Thanks but no thanks. If they're going to get 5,900 points for my week, I want 5,900 points for that week as well and not the 4,225 points they're offering. I'm smart enough not to take 75 cents for my $1. I'm smart enough not to do that once let alone sign up for the option to do it every year PLUS pay for the priveldge to get short changed every time I agree to give them my week. What a great business model Marriott has developed!
 

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Points I would get giving them my Marriott Monarch May 28, 2011 week - 1900points.
To reserve the same week with GV = 2675 points.
Percentage= 71%
 

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Moderator note:

Because the number of posts regarding the new system is so huge, it is important to keep threads (other than the main thread) on topic. Thus, I will be deleting a number of posts that are not on the topic of this thread.

Dave M
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MOC 3BR Fixed Week 24/25:

My points: 10,225
Points to book: 11,800

Percentage: 86.66%
 
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Points offered - 3650

Points required - 3725
Jan 7th to Feb 3rd
Apr 8th to Apr 28th

Points required - 4125
Feb 4th to Feb 17th
Feb 25th to Apr 7th
 

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[Message deleted. Please stay on topic in this thread. (See my above post.) Dave M, BBS Moderator]
 
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Moderator note:

Because the number of posts regarding the new system is so huge, it is important to keep threads (other than the main thread) on topic. Thus, I will be deleting a number of posts that are not on the topic of this thread.

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No problem. The topics around Marriott's new problem.....uh, system are a little overwhelming./
 

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MM1 Maui Lahaina tower 2 BR Fixed week.

Points assigned for week 12 = 7475

Points to reserve for weeks
Jan 18 to Feb 17 = 8650
Feb 25 to Mar 31 same
Jun 03 to Aug 31 same

Percentage 86%

To reserve other weeks during 2011 anywhere from 7450 to 10,425 points.
 

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Lakeshore Reserve 2 BR Deluxe Premiere Platinum, get 3800; need 4675, 4175, 3725; 19%, 9%, +.02%

OceanWatch 2 BR Platinum Ocean View, get 3425; need 3725; 9%

Grande Vista Gold 2 BR, get 2175, need 1900, 2500; +1.5%, 13%
 

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I am not concerned about the points I get versus the points Marriott requires to stay at a similar resort because as weeks owners we don't have to use the points system to exchange a full week. We can continue to use the weeks system through Interval World and trade into all the Marriott Resorts the same way we did before the points system was introduced. In addition, if you join there are some other options that you get that look attractive to me.

Am I wrong to think like this? It is only the people that buy into Marriott now that have to use the new points charts and be concerned about the way the points are being priced now.
 
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I am not concerned about the points I get versus the points Marriott requires to stay at a similar resort because as weeks owners we don't have to use the points system to exchange a full week. We can continue to use the weeks system through Interval World and trade into all the Marriott Resorts the same way we did before the points system was introduced. In addition, if you join there are some other options that you get that look attractive to me.

Am I wrong to think like this? It is only the people that buy into Marriott now that have to use the new points charts and be concerned about the way the points are being priced now.
If what I read on one post is true, and I haven't seen it in writing you are correct we don't need to worry about points if we are using a full week either in our home resort or in exchange we just handle it the same way we always have done. I think the issue is competition for those weeks.

The conversion figures for two of my weeks are posted and I haven't figured the bronze weeks out yet but am I the only one who thinks that Marriott has been doing this all along?

If you traded your week for MR or rented it through Marriott, then Marriott received the payment for the week and could have obtained the full rack rate for our week even though MR or the rental payment did not equal what Marriott received for our week on the reservation system.

Based on earlier posts, I'm getting more points for my GV gold then needed on the chart but I believe its less for Aruba. It seems the same in many ways as opting to exchange for MR or rent.

Please tell me if and why I'm wrong?
 

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Points to reserve:
Mar-May-- Oct to Nov 2500 95%

June - Aug 2900 82%
 

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assigned 4225
required 4225-5075 for floating weeks
typical summer week required is 4850 pts (87%)
 

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There is one thing that disturbs me about the theory Marriott is balancing points and not skimming. With Grand Chateau, the entire season is Platinum except for week 52, which is Platinum Plus. If they're balancing the points out, then why is it that every single 3 bedroom Platinum week receives the same short end of the stick?

Points assigned are 4,625. I can see no arguement that ANY owners of a 3 bedroom Plat. week would be assigned anything more or anything less. That is unless there is a Marriott fickle finger of fate which smiles upon some owners but gives the finger to others.

So, they assign 4,625 points to every three bedroom Plat. owner but, the smallest point fee to reserve is 4,675 points. That means that there are no owners who will recieve what Marriott takes. Points totals for 3 bdrm Plat weeks are 4,675 points, 5,225 points and 5,400 points. I'm sorry but is it just me that see's that Marriott gives less than they take? EVERY SINGLE OWNER GET'S LESS THAN THE VALUE MARRIOTT ASIGNS TO THE WEEKS FOR EXCHANGE! How can anyone argue that they're not taking more in points for reservations than they're giving owners to use for reservations? At this one resort it is very easy to calculate the NEGATIVE flow of points for owners and the POSITVE flow of points for Marriott.

Yes I know one does not elect to use points to reserve at their home resort but, other owners DO use points to reserve these same units. So how is this a like for like exchange and not skimming? If I give you $1 for your product, then charge $1.25 for that exact same product, I've just made a profit at YOUR expense and without breaking a sweat to work for that profit. The points are unbalanced in Marriott's favor. It's their game, they set the rules and YOU pay a premium in addition to the sign on fee and yearly membership fee.

As to why I won't join I have a trust issue with any company that will do this up front. As I understand it, and maybe I'm wrong, Marriott has written this new program so that they have full control to change virtually any aspect of the program as they see fit. Anyone here familiar with Marriott Rewards points? We all know how aggresively Marriott pushed that option as a reason to but direct rather than resale. But every year MF's go up and over time the value of MR points has gone down. I wonder what the future holds for those who pay to have the option to use Marriott Exchange Company Points? Before signing any agreement, I'd be sure and read the fine print. Anyone know if there is a right to rescind since this isn't a timeshare sale but a membership fee?
 
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With all my weeks at Marriott, I can at least get a week at my home resort except for one silver week I own at Legends Edge.

My silver week is worth 1,150 pts, but it takes 1,225 to reserve the lowest week there. I can't even trade into my resort at all!!! I can't believe that.
 

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I'm not sure if this is what people are looking at/for but here's what I:

pasted from the Points Chart for Maui Ocean Club
1 BR Ocean View
Fri - Sat 475
Sun - Thur 500
Full Week 4,700

pasted from from my MVCI account
Maui Ocean Club
Floor Plan: 1BR + 2BA
View Type: Ocean View
Point Value 3,900

only 83% value (if I understand this)

HTH,
ileneg
 
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