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pets

Wish my dogs could come too!

I would be so happy if timeshare resorts even had kenels attached so could take my two toy dogs along and take them out during the day.

Silverleaf makes money by allowing pets. I just don't live near a silverleaf. Catering to pet lovers is big bussiness. Most resorts just haven't had the flexibility to take advantage of that market.

Part of the solution would be requiring a veternarian or similar athority to certify that a pet was not a social menace. Most pit bulls and similar martial beeds are sweet as pie if they are raised as a family pets.

If you don't agree with me I hereby denounce you as "rude." Come on TUGers, disagremments make things more stimulating.
 
A local reporter did a story not too long ago about pets as family members. While I won't stake my life on the guy's research, he found that as more people delay parenthood, the doggies are more like furkids than pets. Further, people in all age brackets are spending more on their dogs - doggie daycare, doggie fashions, doggie gourmet treats... on and on. So, I do believe there is a market and that it is growing.

I have no kids by choice and my dog is my kid (go ahead and snicker, it's fine by me). We have stayed at several Silverleaf's because they accept dogs. When we prepare to leave, I do some cleaning of my own because my border collie sheds. A lot. Sure, I'm paying an extra fee, but I also know how that fur clogs the vaccuum. I'm also one that ALWAYS picks up after my doggie. I don't expose anyone to my dog that doesn't want to interact with her. She's my kid and she's with me. She's not much of a barker and if she has occasion to let a "woof" fly while inside, we quiet her immediately. She doesn't have fleas, and I find it interesting that people are convinced that every dog is leaving fleas behind. But no one is concerned about what the renting general public is bringing in?? And why isn't it presumed that all kids have head lice?

My girl loves taking rides and we always find great parks to hike in. She doesn't whine and cry in her crate on the rare occasion that we leave her alone at the resort. She doesn't rip up anything and is housetrained so doesn't soil the interior. That leaves the problem of dander, which I cannot solve, and those allergic can't solve it.

Problem with leaving my dog behind is that she has excessive energy requirements. No one I know is going to take her for a run, and it's unlikely they would even take her for a walk if the temps/rain isn't suitable to them. That said, there are more and more dog-sitting places that are less like kennels and more like my living room. My dog might be ok there, but she gets stressed when aggressive dogs put her on the defensive. She gets stressed if she hasn't gotten enough exercise. She's a bit high-maintenance, but border collies are.

So you see, there are reasons I don't want to leave the princess behind. She might not be fine in a kennel. And I don't want to pay $400 to leave her behind.

So, I don't sneak her into resorts that don't want her there and I plan my trips to provide her reasonable pet sitting arrangements the times I can't take her. And I don't get snippy with the people with the loud sticky kids nor the people that spit gum out on the sidewalks.

[sorry, had to toss one out to keep the pot stirred]
 
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you know both times I left Spicey - once with a vet - the other time with a pet sitter.

It was not good a situation. He knows he is surpose to be with me. ;)

the vet kennel tried to get him to eat dry food. Spicey will starve first!!! and he did he ate nothing for 5 days and lost several pounds - he only weighted 9 lbs when I left him - when he returned home he weight 5 lbs....

With the pet sitter - he was nice and polite - but again a eating situation. He was given his food in his house - but he still didn't eat enough....

when I take him with me - either in the condo - Celebration World Resort - or in a kennel at WDW - he definitely eats.

he probably eats more in the kennel, than the condo. just because he knows I will feed him other stuff if he doesn't eat his food....

right now he is getting upset with me. I generally don't pack until it time to leave. Well I have been packing for a week now... he is ready to GO!!!

I do take him with me to the stores and things - but it is not the same and he knows it!!!

we are leaving this Friday. :cool:
 
Yahoo News Report on the BIG BUISNESS OF KENNELS

Saw this in the Yahoo's newsroom and thought someone might find it interesting. Somehow I just don't think this is what the average timesharer would pay to kennel their pets on Timeshare Properties. But if every pet owner spent $150.00 TO $200.00 a day to pamper their pets on timeshare properties I'm sure they'd be kennels at every timeshare in America.

People with allergic reaction around animals will not have to worry cause the AVERAGE timesharer not going to spend more money on his pets lodgeing than him-self

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Finds Pampering Pays By DEBORAH YAO, AP Business Writer
Mon Feb 27, 12:48 PM ET



WILLOW GROVE, Pa. - Max and Leo race around one of the kennel's two-room doggie suites, still filled with boundless energy even after a day of treats and activities.

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"You want me to read a story?" says Sonya DeFazio, a kennel employee sitting cross-legged on the floor with a "Clifford The Big Red Dog" book on her lap.

The bedtime tale at Best Friends Pet Care caps a busy day for Max, a 7-year-old West Highland white terrier, and Leo, a 2-year-old Pomeranian. During their two-day stay, they've already had fitness sessions, walks, play time, ice cream breaks, "suite treats" and bottled water.

The final tab: $57 a day for services and $78 daily for boarding in the 56-square-foot "Boathouse Row" suite, which has a low-lying bed and is decorated with oars, sailboat wallpaper and a framed poster of the Philadelphia landmark for which the room is named. Pets typically stay four to five days.

The nation's pet boarding industry has figured out it doesn't take much persuasion to get pet owners, often guilty about dropping their dog or cat off at a kennel while they head off on vacation, to pay extra for pampering: In the last five years, spending on pet services including boarding and grooming has more than doubled to $2.5 billion, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association in Greenwich, Conn.

"It's the art of the upsell," said Charlotte Reed, a pet trend watcher who is vice president of The National Association of Professional Pet Sitters, in Mt. Laurel, N.J.

From boarding kennels to high-end pet hotels, the perks are growing ever more plentiful. Pet services range from birthday parties and spa treatments (such as massages and aromatherapy) to white-glove packages such as recording your dog's first CD for $1,600.

The extra services, Reed said, can pad a typical pet owner's bill by 30 percent to 35 percent.

Pet owners expect kennels to do more than board — they want their dogs and cats treated like children, said Jim Krack, executive director of ABKA, formerly the American Boarding Kennels Association, in Colorado Springs, Colo.

At Best Friends, a privately held Norwalk, Conn.-based company with 42 locations nationwide, customer demand has driven the growth in pet services, spokeswoman Deb Bennetts said.

Pet services is one of the fastest growing areas of business at PetSmart Inc., the Phoenix-based pet supply and services retail chain that changed its name last year from PetsMart. In the third quarter of 2005, revenues from pet services jumped 24 percent, to $71.5 million, from the same period a year earlier.

PetSmart expects those sales to grow by an additional 20 percent this year and again in 2007.

Since 2001, the chain has opened 35 PetsHotel locations, where one popular feature allows owners to telephone their dogs, which bark back in response, said spokeswoman Jennifer Pflugfelder.

Michael San Filippo, a spokesman for the American Veterinary Medical Association in Schaumburg, Ill., said baby boomers and empty-nesters are helping drive the trend.

"The kids are married or away and this sort of fills a parental need," he said.

When pet owners order services that their pets don't really need, such as nail polish, "it's more for the well-being of the owner," San Filippo said.

"There's probably guilt there," he said. "You might be away on business or vacation and you might be overcompensating with some pampering."

For some pet owners, nothing is too good for their beloved animals.

At the newly opened Mazzu's Canine & Feline Hotel in Philadelphia, pet guests are greeted with the soothing colors of a spa, a rock wall for a back-to-nature ambiance and scents of lavender. There's room service as well: Sassy, a nearly 3-year-old chocolate Labrador, was hand-delivered a 12-ounce filet mignon dinner at her $125-a-night carpeted suite. The steak was grilled lightly, sliced and served on a gold platter — and set her owners back by $22.

"I think it's definitely worth it," said Sassy's owner, Christie Graziosi, a Morristown, N.J. resident whose husband's three kids are grown. "Every time my dog has come home from those (boarding kennels) she's usually hoarse because she's been barking. You can tell she wasn't happy there."

L.A. Dogworks in Los Angeles, which says its customers include Jake Gyllenhaal's Atticus and Nicole Richie's Honeychild and Foxy Cleopatra, offers a "Zen Den" — touted as an "eastern retreat" to promote the "total wellness experience" through massages, aromatherapy and other services.

Even hotels for humans are getting in on the action.

In December, New York-based Loews Hotels started "The Hound of Music." The $1,600 package lets dogs ride a limousine to a recording studio, where a voice coach will help them cut their first CD. They can bark or howl along with a guitarist, harmonica player or karaoke beat. Lodging is included.

So what's next for pets?

Geriatric services, said Darlene Frudakis, president of PetAg of Hampshire, Ill., a maker of nutritional products for pets that launched its first products for senior pet care last year.

Frudakis said 75 percent of household pets are past middle age, or around five and older.

When pets get old and sick, she said, instead of putting them to sleep, they can be checked into pet nursing homes such as Bide-A-Wee's Golden Years Retirement Home in Westhampton, N.Y.

At Golden Years, cats with similar temperaments are grouped together and play in their own room. Dogs have their own cubicles with bedding. Staff play with the pets and provide daily care, such as medication, cleaning and socialization.

Darlene Larson, manager of individual giving at New York-based Bide-A-Wee, said the pets can be adopted as well but it's rare due to their age. The retirement home fee is $15,000 for your pet's lifetime.

"They'll take care of your pet for life," Frudakis said.
 
What a spirited Topic

>Sigh< When I posted in the Ask RCI forum, I'd searched the BBS and not found this thread. I guess the bottom line is, MHO is that pets should be accommmodated in more resorts, utilizing whatever methods will make it safe for the allergic (eg, separate units).
My own problem is that I bought a timeshare prior to pet ownership, then had a bad experience with boarding. I then inherited a second timeshare that is currently not traded (membership lapsed). The home resort is one we love to go to - But. They allow pets. Only for fixed-week owners. I own a floating week. Can anyone tell me the sense of that? I suppose it has to do with regulating what units pets are allowed in, but it seems extraordinarily biased.
 
PaigeG said:
The home resort is one we love to go to - But. They allow pets. Only for fixed-week owners. I own a floating week. Can anyone tell me the sense of that? I suppose it has to do with regulating what units pets are allowed in, but it seems extraordinarily biased.

It does seem odd, unless only certain units have ever permitted pets even for Weeks owners.
 
Smooth Action said:
Somehow I just don't think this is what the average timesharer would pay to kennel their pets on Timeshare Properties. But if every pet owner spent $150.00 TO $200.00 a day to pamper their pets on timeshare properties I'm sure they'd be kennels at every timeshare in America.

Boarding my dogs costs me $120 a day while I'm on vacation. Nothing fancy, but it's the one kennel that does not traumatize Booker, so I went with it.

Even if it were offered, I still would not take them to a timeshare, because they don't travel well, they are fairly active, and I would not be comfortable having to keep them on a leash or in a room for 24 hours a day, and I would feel guilty doing anything and leaving them behind in the room/kennel. In addition, the horror stories about airlines and pets really scare me and make it so that I would never take them on a plane.
 
mamiecarter said:
I would be so happy if timeshare resorts even had kenels attached so could take my two toy dogs along and take them out during the day.

Silverleaf makes money by allowing pets. I just don't live near a silverleaf. Catering to pet lovers is big bussiness. Most resorts just haven't had the flexibility to take advantage of that market.

Part of the solution would be requiring a veternarian or similar athority to certify that a pet was not a social menace. Most pit bulls and similar martial beeds are sweet as pie if they are raised as a family pets.

If you don't agree with me I hereby denounce you as "rude." Come on TUGers, disagremments make things more stimulating.

Mamie - There is a Silverleaf in western Massachusetts, the Oak n' Spruce in South Lee, which is frequently avaliable, and usually offers 2 bedroom units.

Hope this helps!
 
Club Intrawest dropped the ball on a pet friendly timeshare at Whistler

Thought you'd all like to know...........

A brokerage company located in Whistler village told me that Club Intrawest lost the option to build (69 units) pet friendly timeshare in Whistler.

The real problem is sales have leveled out in the Whistler area.

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Snowater - No Pets

Contrary to an earlier post Snowater (in Glacier, Washington) does not allow exchangers to bring their pets.
 
Getting out of timeshares

My Yorkie Terriers are my kids--won't travel without them. I've therefore sold my two timeshares because of no pets allowed (bought the timeshares before I got the kids). Can instead rent condos from owners who allow pets. Also have stayed at Best Westerns and they are all over the US. Actually better to be able to move around on vacation and see more things than have to stay in one place.

I expect that resorts will eventually get the message that they are missing out on a big portion of the market and more will decide to reserve certain specially designed units (like with tile floors) to accomodate pets. Just hope they aren't smoking rooms. I would rather stay in a pets allowed room than a smoking unit.

So, Bye bye Pueblo Bonitos... and Hello Best Westerns!
 
gfgallegos said:
I expect that resorts will eventually get the message that they are missing out on a big portion of the market and more will decide to reserve certain specially designed units (like with tile floors) to accomodate pets. Just hope they aren't smoking rooms. I would rather stay in a pets allowed room than a smoking unit.

But this is exactly what has happened with more and more states going non-smoking. Sometimes it took laws but in many cases, especially restaurants, they saw that more and more of their clientele did not smoke, and changed voluntarily. They did not lose business as a result. We had stopped going to several restaurants because of their smoking policies, and let them know that, too.

To me, a better case can be made for banning pets than allowing them. If someone gets bitten by a dog at a TS, I'm sure the next party sued after the owner is the TS for allowing the dog. Now, if a TS wanted to minimize its exposure and still allow pets, it could have rules like proof of vaccination, mandatory leashing and muzzling of dogs (I don't know if there is such a thing as a "meow not bite" muzzle for cats, and what do you do about the claws? :) ) while on TS property, and also require a mandatory $1 million binder on the pet paid for by the owner (they do this sort of thing for itinerant craft vendors while at those huge craft fairs). But then I don't know how many people would want to pay higher MFs for an animal control person's salary at their TS, either.

Bear in mind that I do like dogs and cats. I just don't know if there is a real, overwhelmingly large market that would justify converting no-pet TS to pet-friendly ones (in any percentage). I do think that there is enough of a market for new TS that are set up from the get-go to be pet-friendly, but that presupposes they don't mind that they could lose the non-pet people market.
 
I understand the allergy factor, but muzzle my dog? I don't take my dog to the playground or to visit other units, so she's not gonna bite anyone.

I'll pay the extra cleaning fee, I'll train to receive Canine Good Citizen cert and I'll scoop her poop. But my girl has never come close to biting anyone and has never been muzzled at the vet, either. A muzzle rule would keep me outa that place, too.

CGC is a good standard. It's proof that your dog can handle itself.
 
Club Intrawest was studying an option to build a Pet Frendly timeshare

A brokerage company located in Whistler village told me that Club Intrawest lost the option to build (69 units) pet friendly timeshare in Whistler.


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Club Intrawest intended to build a 100% (Pet Friendly) Resident type timeshare where all members would be required to purchase a mimimum of (4) fixed weeks.

Club Intrawest put out questionaires thru-out Whistler Village to gage the Pet Frendly Market and HAD VERY LITTLE RESPONSE. Therefore Club Intrawest let the option to build drop.


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geekette said:
I understand the allergy factor, but muzzle my dog? I don't take my dog to the playground or to visit other units, so she's not gonna bite anyone.

I'll pay the extra cleaning fee, I'll train to receive Canine Good Citizen cert and I'll scoop her poop. But my girl has never come close to biting anyone and has never been muzzled at the vet, either. A muzzle rule would keep me outa that place, too.

CGC is a good standard. It's proof that your dog can handle itself.

To an extent, yes, but just imagine this scenario:

You're walking with your dog on the TS sidewalk, no muzzle, on a very hot, scorcher-type day. Small child, say a toddler, walking by with or without parent next to them, decides to pull Doggy's tail or try to pet your animal without your permission, and gets bitten. Even the nicest, best-trained dog can be cranky and bite on a hot day, whether provoked or not. The owner would still be responsible, because the law does not hold very young children responsible for their actions, and probably would not hold the parents responsible either. The muzzle would have prevented the injury. It is just something to think about.

Now, when we're out with our dog on a leash, if some child asks to pet, I take their hand in mine, and we both pet the dog together. But not everyone asks, and I'd much rather be safe than sorry.
 
I understand what you're saying, and I have a scar on my hand from childhood that proves I know what an anxious dog might do. I was standing there watching the dog, which had been tied to a fence all day. the starters pistol went off, and I had dog on me. I had not touched the dog. Case of wrong place/wrong time. It can happen.

My dog has always been around kids, including infants, and has never shown the tiniest bit of anxiety (we don't have kids so I'm not talking about anyone in her pack). I know this, because I know my dog well, and have always been tuned in to how she's feeling. I know when she's getting stressed, and I remove her from the stressor. Kids aren't it, she's super-patient with them.

We had a problem with the jumpey-biteys when she was very young, and she never did it to anyone but me, and I worked very hard to determine what causes it and how to calm her back down. I'm not a casual dog owner, I'm a border collie owner and a student of canine behavior.

Suffice to say, if my dog is stressed, that kid ain't coming near us.

But, not everyone is as tuned in and I would agree, this kid could get bit. But I will guarantee you, it won't be by my dog.
 
and by the way, why isn't this hypothetical dog-tail-pulling kid being supervised? Why hasn't he been trained by his parents not go up to an animal and start poking it?

Pets aren't the entire problem.
 
geekette said:
and by the way, why isn't this hypothetical dog-tail-pulling kid being supervised? Why hasn't he been trained by his parents not go up to an animal and start poking it?

Pets aren't the entire problem.

That's true, but often sidewalks are narrow, and you can't avoid brushing up against an animal, which could trigger a bite response (maybe the dog thinks it's a fly or something similar and goes to snap without thinking). Or the dog (on leash, mind you) walks up to the child, tail wagging. Or an adult's hand brushes against a dog accidentally, triggering a reaction from the dog. Or the child, being small, passing by a good-sized dog, has a tail wagged in her face, and naturally raises a hand to brush it away.

Regardless of what the child does, the assumption is that the owner is supposed to have total control over the dog at all times. People shouldn't have to lift their children up in the air to avoid someone's dog, which I have had to do on occasion....

I also see people who, instead of properly keeping their dog at heel, giving them 10 feet or more of leash/lead to play with, and no way are they able to pull the dog away in time, should something happen.

I realize that you and others here are responsible dog owners, but it only takes a few to ruin it for all. :(
 
Is there no end to the silly hypothetical situations???

Gadabout said:
That's true, but often sidewalks are narrow, and you can't avoid brushing up against an animal, which could trigger a bite response (maybe the dog thinks it's a fly or something similar and goes to snap without thinking).

I think my dogs can tell the difference between a person and "a fly or something similar".

Must we endure these endless anti-pet-at-timeshare posts EVERY time someone wants some information about the very few timeshares which allow pets?
 
Steve said:
Must we endure these endless anti-pet-at-timeshare posts EVERY time someone wants some information about the very few timeshares which allow pets?

I'm certainly not 'anti-pet-at-timeshare'. If I was I wouldn't have purchased at my home resort as pets are allowed in ALL units there. The problem arises with the logistics of a non-pet resort trying to become 'pet friendly'. What becomes of anybody who purchased there originally because it was pet free? If a resort decides to build and run kennels for visiting pets, who pays for them? It's odds on that there would be an imbalance between the number of kennel units and the number of people wanting to use them on a week to week basis. How would that be handled if an owner arrives and there is nowhere for their pet because exchangers have already booked them?
I genuinely believe that expecting a resort to change policy from not permitting pets to permitting pets is difficult if not impossible to manage.
The only exception I can see is if a resort build additional units with 'pets permitted' as part of the contract. Even then the problem of earlier purchasers who don't want animals on site is not being addressed.
 
Steve,

I am not anti-pet either--but I agree with KeithT. If a TS is designed up front to be pet-friendly, everyone buying in is made aware of that, and is okay with all the added expenses, liabilities, potential for extra income, great. Would I buy in or stay there? No, and that is a choice I can make after I know the facts.

But trying to change over a TS that was previously non-pet, that's different. Is the TS prepared to buy out owners in order to bring in new owners who want pets? How much are they willing to pay those owners to leave? Is it fair to people who don't travel with their pets to make them foot all the bills/liability etc. upgrading for those who do?

And that's why I wonder if there really is a significant market share for people travelling with pets. I know there is a market share, but not the size of that market share, or how much they're willing to pay.
 
Sure, the logistics of a change-over are many and can get complex. Added-on units are a decent solution, and for those that never wanted pets on their property, if you just grant a bit of space for dog-walking, that's all I need. We typically seek out the larger parks during the day anyway, so we wouldn't need access to the entire property. I'll pay for the privilege of bringing my dog and I would expect that fee to go towards the upkeep of the units added on. Sell those units to people with dogs, or those that are ok with having pets in the units.

Market share is growing, sorry I have no ready stats to base that on. More of us have pets instead of kids, so the pets are our kids (bash me all you want, I have a furkid). I see stuff all the time in our local paper about how "pet spending" is going thru the roof. It's there in the mainstream, if not the hardcore ts folks.

Silverleaf is onto something. Plenty of activities for the kids, big resort for walking the dog, a VERY REASONABLE fee for being able to bring the dog, and all the units I've stayed in have at least nice, if not VERY PLUSH. I've stayed with them 3 times in the last year. Their mf are high, but it's not because of the dogs, it's the wide variety of activities and amenities.

If you take a poll, you have to cast a broad enuf net over a large enuf base throughout the various regions. Don't forget to stretch that net to Indy - we just got our 4th Bark Park and have plenty of doggie bakeries and other dog-friendly areas and have plenty of doggie sports. No timeshares, tho, since we aren't exactly a hotbed for tourism.

Whistler votes no, great, the people that live near the resort can leave their doggies home for the few hours they'd be at the resort - how is this significant? I'd visit Whistler if only my dog were allowed. catch 22.
 
Whistler's pet owners voted with their absents of their pocket-book

Whistler votes no, great, the people that live near the resort can leave their doggies home for the few hours they'd be at the resort - how is this significant? I'd visit Whistler if only my dog were allowed. catch 22.

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Whistler did not vote no to Pet Friendly timeshares. Whistler's City Father put out an option to timeshare developers to build one. Pet owners voted no by not being willing to pay for it.

Developers do not build timeshares out of the goodness of their hearts. EVERYTHING ALWAYS FOLLOWS THE MONEY. AND THEN AND ONLY THEN.....will....TIMESHARES FOR PET OWNERS BE BUILT.

This thread started with WISH MY DOG COULD COME TOO from mamiecarter. Wishing is not going to do it.......you got to open your pocket book. I'm all for the construction of brand new pet friendly timeshares bought and maintained by the many Pet owners interested in traveling with their pets.

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Steve said:
I think my dogs can tell the difference between a person and "a fly or something similar".

Must we endure these endless anti-pet-at-timeshare posts EVERY time someone wants some information about the very few timeshares which allow pets?

We are actually thinking of taking our fur baby to Carmel CA to stay at Doris Day's hotel. I hear the little town is in a beautiful part of California, and her hotel is beyond pet friendly!!! :)

I'm a Doris Day fan-addict! :D I grew up watching her tv show and my mother (who's in her 70's now) loves her too. The 2 of us have "girls night out" every couple of months, where I go over and spend the night with her and we watch Doris Day DVD's. I purchased Doris's complete movie collection several years ago, and I'm now in the process of changing the VHS tapes over to DVD as they become available.
 
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