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owner update topic - "point manipulation"

I agree, but from what I've read but it's a very consistent "glitch" if you have multiple UY contracts - they will move to the latest expiring current UY. Since the OP is currently in a UY that ends 12/31/12, the points will most likely end up there.

The OP could give it a try now and if it doesn't work all they are out is a RT. That way if it doesn't work then they still have some time to do something with those points instead of doing it the end of June and then have nothing but RCI to do with them.

Jason.
 
I'm pretty certain that if you book a reservation now that uses all the points set to expire for check in prior to July 1st and then cancel it, your points will become cancelled points that expire 12/31/12. I'm going to be doing something similar on Sunday.

Scott, I think maybe you've solved the problem for me. :cheer: I was trying to get some canceled points expiring 6/30/12 to move into my next use year of 12/31/12. I obviously have to book a reservation using dates before 6/30 in order to use these points, and when I would book and then cancel a June reservation, it would end up back in my 6/30/12 use year.

You stated to use ALL THE POINTS set to expire, so I tried it. I used all 118K plus a few from the next use year. Now when I have canceled the reservation, it appears they all have moved into the 12/31 use year.

THANKS!!!

Julie
 
Correct the points will move to whatever use year the reservation is made in but this has to only do with using pooled and borrowed points. So if you use some future year points for a current reservation and cancel the points stay in the current use year. There is no way to use current use year points for a future year reservations unless you pool the points which has to be done before the beginning of the year for resale (and also silver VIP i think), within the first 6 months for VIP Gold and within the first 9 months VIP Plat. Since they expire end of June we would be outside of any of those ranges so its use it by June 30th, RCI or lose them. Those are the only choices.

Jason

The strategy I outlined should allow current year points to be used in future years without pooling. If the OP makes a reservation now for a checkin prior to June 30th and cancels it, the points would then be available for a reservation from July 1st to December 31st (and they could make that reservation today, still incurring the single reservation transaction). If they then cancelled that reservation after July 1st, the points should then become cancelled points expiring at the end of their then-current June 30th 2013 Use Year.
 
Scott, I think maybe you've solved the problem for me. :cheer: I was trying to get some canceled points expiring 6/30/12 to move into my next use year of 12/31/12. I obviously have to book a reservation using dates before 6/30 in order to use these points, and when I would book and then cancel a June reservation, it would end up back in my 6/30/12 use year.

You stated to use ALL THE POINTS set to expire, so I tried it. I used all 118K plus a few from the next use year. Now when I have canceled the reservation, it appears they all have moved into the 12/31 use year.

THANKS!!!

Julie

No problem!
 
I understand the manipulation of points and the ability to upgrade and use fewer points, but have you ever considered the rest of the Wyndham owners having difficulty getting what they want in many cases as you tie up multiple reservations and not intending to use them. I think consideration is in order, you already get discounted reservations.
 
I understand the manipulation of points and the ability to upgrade and use fewer points, but have you ever considered the rest of the Wyndham owners having difficulty getting what they want in many cases as you tie up multiple reservations and not intending to use them. I think consideration is in order, you already get discounted reservations.

It actually makes it better for the resale owners, because the VIP's are canceling all these rooms within 30-60 days we are able to get them within a (sometimes) discounted period
 
... You could test it since you are plat (I believe) ...

Just did the test you requested. My oldest points are as shown below.

Starting Point for today’s activity

Apr 11, 2012 Feb 6, 2013 Cancel 85,000 0

I used 14,000 points to book a October 8, 2012 reservation and then cancelled it. Since my screen for points will not show up until tomorrow, I called reservations, they confirmed that the 14,000 points were taken from my Feb 6, 2013 experiation date points and the new total for that date is now 71,000 cancelled points. They then confirmed the cancelled 14,000 are now in my 10-1-12 to 09-30-2013 use year. The same has been happening to me for use years that do not involve a PIC use year. No glitch, it is authorized under the members directory, and according to reports, is part of the sales pitch at least at Old Town Alexandria.
 
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I understand the manipulation of points and the ability to upgrade and use fewer points, but have you ever considered the rest of the Wyndham owners having difficulty getting what they want in many cases as you tie up multiple reservations and not intending to use them. I think consideration is in order, you already get discounted reservations.

This is not manipulation of points, please see other posts addressing this point. Also, I cannot help but note, the moving of points forward by use of the credit pool or any other authorized method, would have the effect of creating more availability for other users in the current use year. What you are probably addressing is the book cancel rebook trick. I am not sure what the net effect on availablity would be during the course of a year.

As it relates to the issue being discussed here, the booking then cancelling period only takes a couple of minutes. Therefore, the effect on availablity is not significant.

The primary differences between the credit pool, as far as I can tell, and the mulitple use year verision are as follows:

1. Credit Pool has specific dates that the current use year points must be placed into it ranging from prior to the beginning of the use year to the Platium timeframe (I think it is 9 months into the use year). There is a fee associated with this. You get 3 years to use the points and not just to the next overlapping use year.

2. It is my understanding that the Credit Pool has a different availability pool than regular year use and cancelled points use years have (be careful, a Wyndham point is not necessarily a Wyndham point when considering the different availablity pools for reservations).

3. As was pointed out earlier, if not a VIP Gold or Platium Member, a reservation transaction may have to be used. Maybe two if something goes wrong (moral of that is call to confirm the cancelled points went were you wanted them to on the same day or run the risk of needing another one to fix it). If this results in your going over your free transation limit, then this may cost you some money for the transaction (Wyndham still would collect a fee in this case).

4. Based on the two tests reported here, the safest method is to book the reservation to be cancelled before the end of the one use year to shift the points to the overlapping use year with the end date for use as the furthest out. It might very well be that if there is only one use year in an account, this process may also work. I cannot try this verision because I have multiple use year, but it would be logical given the other tests.
 
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I understand the manipulation of points and the ability to upgrade and use fewer points, but have you ever considered the rest of the Wyndham owners having difficulty getting what they want in many cases as you tie up multiple reservations and not intending to use them. I think consideration is in order, you already get discounted reservations.

I paid damn good money to get the upgrades and discounted reservations. I'll consider you if you'll consider me!
 
I paid damn good money to get the upgrades and discounted reservations. I'll consider you if you'll consider me!

I hate to make an observation that according to a couple of sales people that compared re-sale purchases to retail purchases, the re-sale purchases did not pay for the extra benifits. There is some logic to the position that VIP Owners not only pay full frieght for their benifits but they also have a much higher maintance fee commitment for those benifits.

Ride may also have a point, non-VIP owners may well be benifiting from the VIP members that book cancel rebook. It very well may be adding discounted inventory for their use in the 10-40 percent range.

The re-sale buyers get their financial benifits up front and fast by real cost savings at the front end. The VIP Owners get their benifits over an extended period of time. The commentators that observe that a financial savings over the life of the ownership may very well be many many many years for the VIP Owners.
 
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When you cancel a reservation, the points are not showing on the 'Points Status' page until the next day.

I have discovered that by clicking the 'RCI Deposit Request' button, I can immediatly see which Use Year the cancelled points have been returned to. There is a list of all the points that can be deposited to RCI, sorted by Use Year. You don't have to go through with the deposit.
 
Thanks!

When you cancel a reservation, the points are not showing on the 'Points Status' page until the next day.

I have discovered that by clicking the 'RCI Deposit Request' button, I can immediatly see which Use Year the cancelled points have been returned to. There is a list of all the points that can be deposited to RCI, sorted by Use Year. You don't have to go through with the deposit.


Much easier than how I was checking.
 
I understand the manipulation of points and the ability to upgrade and use fewer points, but have you ever considered the rest of the Wyndham owners having difficulty getting what they want in many cases as you tie up multiple reservations and not intending to use them. I think consideration is in order, you already get discounted reservations.

Ive considered that... but I tie up reservations anyway...I own over a million points I think I have the right to hold over a million points worth of reservations at any one time...That doesnt take anything away from you

I figure that you had exactly the same opportunity I did to get that hard to get reservation..You could have gotten up early and made that reservation you wanted at the 10 month mark...but you didnt....I did,,,and since I can only make one reservation at a time just like you; if you were up Im sure you could have gotten what you wanted

Bottom line whether its me with a million points holding 10 reservations, or 10 100000 point owners with 10 reservations..the end result is the same...the high demand times book early
 
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I agree with Ron. Everyone plays by the same set of rules except Wyndham themselves but they own the sand box. Would there be an issue if he or anyone else books 4 rooms because they actually need that many or they want to rent them out? It is permitted within the rules. When we started with our timeshares we didn't plan much but now any vacation we want to take is planned out at least a year in advance so that way we are ready and know what we need at exactly the 10 month mark. If you want prime stays and can't plan for 10 months out then you may want to look at more fixed week type timeshares vs points.

Jason
 
Ron, you worded that correctly. I (and you) get no discount off our MFs if we let 25% of our points not be used for 10 month reservations. Almost all my reservations are made during the ARP window at my Home Resorts - dang if I am NOT going to use those points for just that type of reservations. And trust me, there are a WHOLE LOT of other Wyndham points owners who would LOVE to have those reserved dates. So many in fact, that those Wyndham owners RENT those reservations from me at my full asking price.

And if not a Wyndham owner, then some other person who wants to stay in my timeshare unit.
 
I should have added to my rant...I never make a reservation that I dont intend on using....I may be using it to generate an income, but I use it
 
I should have added to my rant...I never make a reservation that I dont intend on using....I may be using it to generate an income, but I use it

It is good to see booking in the ARP period and then renting is apparently viable. That may be why the bigger contracts on E-Bay are drawing bids. The bigger points amounts would be needed for the ARP reservation.
 
It is good to see booking in the ARP period and then renting is apparently viable. That may be why the bigger contracts on E-Bay are drawing bids. The bigger points amounts would be needed for the ARP reservation.

No it wouldnt...the number of points needed to make a reservation in the ARP period is the same as the number needed in the standard reservation window
 
No it wouldnt...the number of points needed to make a reservation in the ARP period is the same as the number needed in the standard reservation window

What I was refering to was that ARP reservations in Peak seasons tend to be more points than in the non-peak seasons when ARP is typically not needed and if book cancel rebook is used, by VIP members, this could require even more points, espically if the book a 1 bedroom unit than cancel is used in conjuction with booking a three bedroom unit.
 
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