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Ongoing Sales Incentive - Enrolling Post-6/20/10 Weeks [MERGED]

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I'm surprised by all the people willing to pay this much to enroll their post 2010 weeks. I'm hearing the cheapest to enroll is 2500 points for just over 10 per point. Isn't that at least $25,000 (wow) that is a ton of money just for the flexibility of points. Is that really worth it? It seems I could rent many really nice vacations for that kind of price.

If I would have been offered this option for around the $2-3,000 range I'd consider it, but $25,000 seems like way too much.

How many tuggers are really planning on doing this?

I'm surprised right along with you, and not by "only" the money required. It would be one thing, albeit a ridiculously expensive thing, if the cost was simply an enrollment fee. But it's not. It's a purchase of Trust Points that requires an ongoing financial commitment in the form of annual MF's; it's an additional ownership on top of the enrolled Weeks.

I asked somewhere upthread, "how many of us would have enrolled at the outset if these were the terms then?" Thinking back the answer would have been a resounding, "a few if any!" I still don't think this is anything worth writing home about but GregT seems to think that it will be a successful promotion so I'm thinking I must be missing something. :ponder:
 

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There have been and continue to be a fair number of Starwood owners who requalify a resale week by purchasing the now minimum of $20,000 in new money for a retail purchase ($30,000 for Hawaiian weeks). On TUG, we know it is only worth it if you have a high point value (low MF) annual week and a clear goal toward 5 star elite. Many come to TUG with the thought of requalifying a biennial mid season 1 br unit with a $20,000+ purchase of a questionable retail week and now flex points.


From the outset when Marriott set the 2010 date, I doubted that they would resist allowing new resales to enroll if the owner was offering in $20,000+ in new points purchase per week. I am a little surprised that they didn't follow DRI's requirement that the new purchase equal at least half of the points that the week being brought in but adding the $20,000 minimum per week brought in. I guess I am surprised that it took 5 years.
 

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I'm surprised by all the people willing to pay this much to enroll their post 2010 weeks. I'm hearing the cheapest to enroll is 2500 points for just over 10 per point. Isn't that at least $25,000 (wow) that is a ton of money just for the flexibility of points. Is that really worth it? It seems I could rent many really nice vacations for that kind of price.

If I would have been offered this option for around the $2-3,000 range I'd consider it, but $25,000 seems like way too much.

How many tuggers are really planning on doing this?

I'm surprised right along with you, and not by "only" the money required. It would be one thing, albeit a ridiculously expensive thing, if the cost was simply an enrollment fee. But it's not. It's a purchase of Trust Points that requires an ongoing financial commitment in the form of annual MF's; it's an additional ownership on top of the enrolled Weeks.

I asked somewhere upthread, "how many of us would have enrolled at the outset if these were the terms then?" Thinking back the answer would have been a resounding, "a few if any!" I still don't think this is anything worth writing home about but GregT seems to think that it will be a successful promotion so I'm thinking I must be missing something. :ponder:

I don't currently have any post-6/2010 weeks with which to take advantage of this deal, but I can say unequivocally if we did have any such weeks, we would seriously consider a deal like this. Here's why:

We only have 3375 points right now from a small number of Trust points and an enrolled Barony week. While that is adequate for the next year or two, once our youngest heads to college and frees us from the school calendar, we'll likely need more. My dilemma going forward is how to add those points for a reasonable price.

With the current special offer, when you factor in the cost of the Trust points (with the discounted price) plus the enrolled points, the net cost/point of the new points (Trust points + the newly enrolled points) can wind up being in the $4-$5/point range (or less) with a reasonably high point-value week. No way we could touch that with resale points + junk fees or another hybrid bundle.

From what I've seen, if we already owned a decent point value post-6/2010 week, this new offer would likely be the cheapest way to get to Executive level and the 1+ day 13 month booking privilege.

We don't do direct owner rentals on Redweek, etc, so renting accommodations on Marriott.com or other similar travel sites can get expensive fast. I also much prefer points as a way to travel to a variety of destinations versus the weeks trading game. While renting points is a viable option for us if we don't find a way to own more at price we can justify, if I could acquire a batch of points at $4/point or so, I would be hard pressed to pass that up since that would give us full flexibility to bank/borrow whereas rented points don't offer that. It also would offer some insurance against any future Marriott policy changes that devalue point rentals (Plus we would pick up the 1+ day 13 month ability).

I believe deeded weeks are still superior to points for going to the same resort frequently, and we may add a deeded week in the next couple years for that specific purpose. But if I could later enroll that week with an offer similar to this one, it would be hard to pass up. If I were sitting here today with a Post-2010 Gold Grande Ocean OF week worth 3850 points or so and could enroll that by spending $27K for 2500 points, I would be adding 6350 points to my ownership.
 
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I own 2 weeks of post 6/2010, purchased from Marriott and I am willing to buy up to 1000 DC points to enroll. 3500 DC points to enroll is too rich for my blood.
 

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We decided to enroll our weeks and purchase 3500 points to do so. For us, we felt the flexibility was worth it. We now have over 14,000 points now (our weeks have fairly strong point value) and even though we won't always convert to points - it's nice to have the option.

I think this is a very individual decision and really needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis. A few years back I attempted to get Marriott to re-qualify these 2 weeks if I had bought 6500 points and they would not budge. I gave up on the idea until this promotion came out and feel that 3500 is fair.

Of course, had these been bought prior to 6/20/10 I would have loved to just pay a fee to enroll the weeks!

Darius

I'm surprised by all the people willing to pay this much to enroll their post 2010 weeks. I'm hearing the cheapest to enroll is 2500 points for just over 10 per point. Isn't that at least $25,000 (wow) that is a ton of money just for the flexibility of points. Is that really worth it? It seems I could rent many really nice vacations for that kind of price.

If I would have been offered this option for around the $2-3,000 range I'd consider it, but $25,000 seems like way too much.

How many tuggers are really planning on doing this?
 

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So if I understand this correctly, for ~25k I can buy 2,500 points and enroll the points from my NCV week (3475 I think?) for just shy of 6,000 points?

Or I can hop over to a resale site and buy 6k points for 18-24k and still keep my legacy week that we use every year anyway?

Unless I'm missing something, Marriott is going to have to work a little harder to get my week enrolled.

Glad I didn't agree to sit through the presentation when the nice lady from Newport called me this evening. They were offering peanuts for an incentive anyway...
 

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So if I understand this correctly, for ~25k I can buy 2,500 points and enroll the points from my NCV week (3475 I think?) for just shy of 6,000 points?

Or I can hop over to a resale site and buy 6k points for 18-24k and still keep my legacy week that we use every year anyway?

Unless I'm missing something, Marriott is going to have to work a little harder to get my week enrolled.

Glad I didn't agree to sit through the presentation when the nice lady from Newport called me this evening. They were offering peanuts for an incentive anyway...

Not exactly. On those resale sites, you will have to pay close to $5 per point to pass ROFR, then pay Marriott $2 per point to activate the points and use them in the system. So your all-in cost of those 6000 points would be $7 per point or so, or $42,000 - not $18-24K. That is why this current offer from Marriott is one of the better offers they have made as an enrollment incentive.
 

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When I spoke with the rep who discussed this new program with me, I was told this was being offered because 90 percent of the legacy week owners enrolled their week in the DC program. This success will carry over to the post 2010. When I asked how many legacy owners exchange for points, I was told the majority. This seems way to high but have no clue. If it is true, MVCI controls inventory.

I like many have an opinion on this new program but the rubber meets the road when someone who can execute on this program does or does not. I am curious on what is true or not true. Tug users are a small but knowledgable community. Would it be meaningful to anyone else but me to have a sticky poll that asks ...

If you have a post 2010 resale, how many weeks could you enroll, did you take advantage of the program and if so how many weeks?

If you have an enrolled legacy week, how many do you have and how often do you exchange for points?

I will not enroll my one post 2010 resale week
I do not trade for DC points with my legacy enrolled week.,

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I have one newly eligible to enroll week. I did not buy the points to do so.
 

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(Just to be clear: I think all Marriott legacy weeks are now <potentially> eligible to enroll?)

I have 2 post 2010 weeks: I won't enroll for $25K or $35K. Especially with the elusive 'buy-back' details being absent.

...maybe at $5k or 10k. Heck, for $25k I could buy a lot of HGVC that would get me multiple weeks/points.
 

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Not exactly. On those resale sites, you will have to pay close to $5 per point to pass ROFR, then pay Marriott $2 per point to activate the points and use them in the system. So your all-in cost of those 6000 points would be $7 per point or so, or $42,000 - not $18-24K. That is why this current offer from Marriott is one of the better offers they have made as an enrollment incentive.

There's no doubt that the fees for external Points resales are high but is MVW now charging a per-Point ROFR fee? When we saw the first reports of resales we were surprised that MVW was charging the (same as Weeks) $95/transaction rather than the per-Point fee that the governing docs allow. Has this changed, in which case the Points FAQ should be updated?
 

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There's no doubt that the fees for external Points resales are high but is MVW now charging a per-Point ROFR fee? When we saw the first reports of resales we were surprised that MVW was charging the (same as Weeks) $95/transaction rather than the per-Point fee that the governing docs allow. Has this changed, in which case the Points FAQ should be updated?

I think JIMinNC was quoting that a $5 per point purchase offer would be needed to get past ROFR, because GregT and others have posted that offers in the mid to upper $4 range have been getting snagged by MVC via ROFR. Were you assuming he was saying they were charging a $5 per point fee to process the ROFR?
 

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I think JIMinNC was quoting that a $5 per point purchase offer would be needed to get past ROFR, because GregT and others have posted that offers in the mid to upper $4 range have been getting snagged by MVC via ROFR. Were you assuming he was saying they were charging a $5 per point fee to process the ROFR?

DOH! Nevermind. :eek:
 

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Just received a marketing email from MVC.....

Marriott Vacation Club® is celebrating five years of providing more vacation options to Owners through the Marriott Vacation Club Destinations™ Exchange Program. To celebrate, we're offering you an unprecedented, limited-time opportunity*.

From now through November 4, 2015, we are providing you the opportunity to enroll your externally purchased weeks when you purchase additional Vacation Club Points.

For details about enrolling and this limited-time opportunity, contact us at 800-638-8148.

Nice of them to wait until they upped the price per point by 26 cents before sending this out!!! :D
 

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Just received a marketing email from MVC.....



Nice of them to wait until they upped the price per point by 26 cents before sending this out!!! :D
Well, on the positive side you did receive a Marketing email!
I have been following all the posts on these offers.
Perhaps other owners in Europe have received such offers or maybe emails just take a long time to cross the Atlantic?
I have received nothing.
(Sarcasm probably does not work too well over the Internet)
 

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I have been puzzled by the phrase "externally purchased week". I bought from Marriott and I wonder if they have a different offer. I don't want to find out as I do not want to be tempted to drop a few more dollars into timeshare. However I am curious...
 

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I have been puzzled by the phrase "externally purchased week". I bought from Marriott and I wonder if they have a different offer. I don't want to find out as I do not want to be tempted to drop a few more dollars into timeshare. However I am curious...

"External resales" are Weeks or Points purchased from someone/a company other than MVCI/MVW as the developer or Marriott's Resales Operations.

You bought direct from Marriott so your Weeks are eligible for enrollment under different terms than this current promotion, depending on when you bought your Weeks and/or if they're original developer Weeks or Marriott Resales.

See the TUG Points FAQ "Enrolling MVCI Weeks in the DC" information related to eligibility.
 
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"External resales" are Weeks or Points purchased from someone/a company other than MVCI/MVW as the developer or Marriott's Resales Operations.

You bought direct from Marriott so your Weeks are eligible for enrollment under different terms than this current promotion, depending on when you bought your Weeks and/or if they're original developer Weeks or Marriott Resales.

See the TUG Points FAQ "Enrolling MVCI Weeks in the DC" information related to eligibility.

I am well aware of this. The issue is that it had been matching points under the hybrid system which I bought under and I did not want to buy matching points. Since this is such a discounted deal for external weeks, I am wondering if there is a further discount given to Marriott purchased weeks.
 
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"External resales" are Weeks or Points purchased from someone/a company other than MVCI/MVW as the developer or Marriott's Resales Operations.

You bought direct from Marriott so your Weeks are eligible for enrollment under different terms than this current promotion, depending on when you bought your Weeks and/or if they're original developer Weeks or Marriott Resales.

See the TUG Points FAQ "Enrolling MVCI Weeks in the DC" information related to eligibility.

Yes, but I think sprung raises a valid point...for those folks who bought a post-6/2010 week from Marriott Resales and elected NOT to enroll by buying matching points within 12 months, does this offer also apply to them on the same terms?

Marriott Resales cost quite a bit more than external resales in most cases, so I think it raises a valid question.
 

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I have been puzzled by the phrase "externally purchased week". I bought from Marriott and I wonder if they have a different offer. I don't want to find out as I do not want to be tempted to drop a few more dollars into timeshare. However I am curious...

I am well aware of this. The issue is that it had been matching points under the hybrid system which I bought under and I did not want to buy matching points. Since this is such a discounted deal for external weeks, I am wondering if there is a further discount given to Marriott purchased weeks.

Sorry, I misunderstood what was puzzling you.

It can't hurt for you or anyone who made an internal resale Weeks purchase or a Points purchase after the DC was implemented and prior to the announcement of this promotion, to try asking if the purchase requirements for the promotion can be applied now. In the past when Weeks were discounted after being on the developer market they wouldn't allow adjustments to past purchases but it's worth asking.
 
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Here's the scenario we're discussing....

In 2013, John Doe bought a 2 BR OF at Maui Ocean Club from Marriott Resales that would be worth 6450 DC points if enrolled. But because that week would have required a 6500 point purchase, John elects to pass on enrollment.

So because more than 12 months have now passed, John now has an un-enrollable resale week purchased from Marriott Resales, not an external reseller. Would John now be allowed to enroll that week under the current promotion by buying 2500 points just like an external resale buyer?

If not, Marriott would be treating externally bought weeks more favorably than weeks bought from their internal resale department.

Perhaps they may be using the term "externally purchased weeks" to refer to ANY post-6/2010 resale, since technically, even when Marriott Resales is acting as the broker, the buyer is buying the week from the previous owner, who is "external" to Marriott.
 
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Well, on the positive side you did receive a Marketing email!
I have been following all the posts on these offers.
Perhaps other owners in Europe have received such offers or maybe emails just take a long time to cross the Atlantic?
I have received nothing.
(Sarcasm probably does not work too well over the Internet)

You can have mine (which I just received a few seconds ago). ;)
 

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Here's the scenario we're discussing....

In 2013, John Doe bought a 2 BR OF at Maui Ocean Club from Marriott Resales that would be worth 6450 DC points if enrolled. But because that week would have required a 6500 point purchase, John elects to pass on enrollment.

So because more than 12 months have now passed, John now has an un-enrollable resale week purchased from Marriott Resales, not an external reseller. Would John now be allowed to enroll that week under the current promotion by buying 2500 points just like an external resale buyer?

If not, Marriott would be treating externally bought weeks more favorably than weeks bought from their internal resale department.

Perhaps they may be using the term "externally purchased weeks" to refer to ANY post-6/2010 resale, since technically, even when Marriott Resales is acting as the broker, the buyer is buying the week from the previous owner, who is "external" to Marriott.

I'm sorry, trying to edit my thought process and you're just too quick! In that scenario AND the one in which someone who owned officially-ineligible external resale Weeks bought Points, it's worth asking. There's no telling what the response will be on a case-by-case basis but I think, based on history, the official answer will be that the promotion only applies to current situations.
 
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