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OLD/Closed General Discussion Thread: C-19/Hawaii. Will Hawaii re-open Oct. 15th? (+ NEW POLL)

When do you think Hawaii will re-open? (End 14 day quarantine.)


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Ooops. 168 cases reported today, 6.1% of those tested. Not good. Seems a bit odd, but...
 

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There are four different things going on because of the history of Hawaii's trying to get tourists to Hawaii. From the DOT website...

"The pre-travel testing program for COVID-19 will start Oct. 15, 2020. Pre-travel testing enables travelers to avoid a mandatory 14-day quarantine if they are tested no earlier than 72 hours before their flight arrives with an FDA-approved nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT), performed using a nasal swab, and can show proof of negative test results from a CLIA certified laboratory." And from the DoH website...

"[T]he state will accept test results from other sources so long as they meet the testing parameters set forth by the DOH, which are an FDA-authorized NAAT test processed by a CLIA certified lab."

So one, Hawaii is saying that you can use the lab of your choice as basically any mainland lab that does 'real' NAAT testing is CLIA certified. So you can get your 11 year old (or 11 month old) tested at your local provider. The trick is to find one that tests young children and gets results back in 24 hours but they exist (at least in NY). In NY these tests are necessary to get your kid back in school if they are sick.

Two, Hawaii naively reached out to partners that they thought could handle COVID testing in volume and with quick turn around time for mainland tourists - Kaiser in CA and CVS nationwide. A complete bust thus far.

Three, Hawaii (and in particular Kauai) has been trying to work with large scale resorts to create 'travel bubbles'. Not for us, but there is likely a market.

Four, Hawaii has been trying to get the US government and the governments of Japan, Australia, New Zealand, to allow tourists from countries that have more or less contained COVID-19 to visit Hawaii. Still a fantasy thus far.
 

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There are four different things going on because of the history of Hawaii's trying to get tourists to Hawaii. From the DOT website...

"The pre-travel testing program for COVID-19 will start Oct. 15, 2020. Pre-travel testing enables travelers to avoid a mandatory 14-day quarantine if they are tested no earlier than 72 hours before their flight arrives with an FDA-approved nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT), performed using a nasal swab, and can show proof of negative test results from a CLIA certified laboratory." And from the DoH website...

"[T]he state will accept test results from other sources so long as they meet the testing parameters set forth by the DOH, which are an FDA-authorized NAAT test processed by a CLIA certified lab."

So one, Hawaii is saying that you can use the lab of your choice as basically any mainland lab that does 'real' NAAT testing is CLIA certified. So you can get your 11 year old (or 11 month old) tested at your local provider. The trick is to find one that tests young children and gets results back in 24 hours but they exist (at least in NY). In NY these tests are necessary to get your kid back in school if they are sick.

Two, Hawaii naively reached out to partners that they thought could handle COVID testing in volume and with quick turn around time for mainland tourists - Kaiser in CA and CVS nationwide. A complete bust thus far.

Three, Hawaii (and in particular Kauai) has been trying to work with large scale resorts to create 'travel bubbles'. Not for us, but there is likely a market.

Four, Hawaii has been trying to get the US government and the governments of Japan, Australia, New Zealand, to allow tourists from countries that have more or less contained COVID-19 to visit Hawaii. Still a fantasy thus far.

I agree with what you said here about all the things that are going on at once to get tourists back. Has there been any talk about requiring testing of the military, flight crew, and contractor personnel that are traveling to or back to Hawaii? Furthermore, having them quarantine until the test results come back rather than possible spreading the virus to those they my be living with or contacting upon arrival? In particular the volume of flight crew personnel will be increasing as the volume of tourists return.
 

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My dad sent a link to a headline from the Wall Street Journal stating that United Airlines will be offering testing to its customers. It’s behind a paywall - can any of you who have access to WSJ summarize the article, please?
 

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My dad sent a link to a headline from the Wall Street Journal stating that United Airlines will be offering testing to its customers. It’s behind a paywall - can any of you who have access to WSJ summarize the article, please?

More information is coming out about the United program at other news outlets too:

 

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Ok, but this is not going to line up with the approved testing method Hawaii is saying is required - a NAAT (nasal swab) test that generally takes at least 24-48 hours, and in most cases more, to get the results from. Is Hawaii going to begin to accept the 15 minute Rapid test instead of the NAAT test? That would make things a whole lot easier for a lot of people that want to go there.

More information is coming out about the United program at other news outlets too:

 

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My dad sent a link to a headline from the Wall Street Journal stating that United Airlines will be offering testing to its customers....
From the WSJ article - "United said it worked with Hawaiian officials to ensure the tests will meet its requirements. The quick airport test will be administered by GoHealth Urgent Care in the San Francisco airport’s international terminal, and passengers who test positive won’t be allowed to enter security or travel, a United spokeswoman said."

No idea how this gets around the NAAT requirement. But getting airlines to test incoming passengers before takeoff was indeed yet another avenue for promoting tourism that Gov. Ige was pursuing a few months ago. I guess "When it rains, it pours"...but in a good way.
 

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Has there been any talk about requiring testing of the military, flight crew, and contractor personnel that are traveling to or back to Hawaii?...
On other forums I have to keep reminding people that mainlanders never stopped going to Hawaii. And that while incoming passenger numbers into HNL have varied day by day they divide into three more or less equal groups - visitors and new residents, returning Hawaiians, and those exempt from quarantine (largely though not exclusively military personnel and airline personnel).

I'm pretty much sure that testing incoming military is a 'never gonna happen' since it would require DoD cooperation. Seems likely airline personnel is in the same camp as it would require agreement from the FAA and unions. There was a huge stink when Hong Kong tried to require testing and potential quarantine of crew.

I never really got a good explanation of other exempt. When the quarantine started I read something (probably in the Star Advertiser) about 'essential personnel needed in Hawaii for short term work' but nothing since.
 

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To be clear, NAAT is a broad category of molecular testing of which PCR is the primary method. NAAT testing involves/requires amplification of the viral RNA, allowing detection of very small amounts, which is why it takes some time. (PCR testing became famous in the OJ Simpson case as that was used in a big way for the first time to find traces of his DNA in the mixed samples of blood.)

However, the Abbot ID Now test, which IS a rapid nucleic acid amplification test performed by a CLIA certified lab and it provides results in 15 minutes or less. It received FDA EUA approval last week.

 

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Thank you, csodjd for that information. My head is spinning trying to figure out how we're going to get tested and get our results back within 72 hours for our upcoming trip. It sounds like if I can find someplace that does the Abbott ID Now test we would be in much better shape than doing a NAAT test which might not provide our results back in time.

To be clear, NAAT is a broad category of molecular testing of which PCR is the primary method. NAAT testing involves/requires amplification of the viral RNA, allowing detection of very small amounts, which is why it takes some time. (PCR testing became famous in the OJ Simpson case as that was used in a big way for the first time to find traces of his DNA in the mixed samples of blood.)

However, the Abbot ID Now test, which IS a rapid nucleic acid amplification test performed by a CLIA certified lab and it provides results in 15 minutes or less. It received FDA EUA approval last week.

 

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Thank you, csodjd for that information. My head is spinning trying to figure out how we're going to get tested and get our results back within 72 hours for our upcoming trip. It sounds like if I can find someplace that does the Abbott ID Now test we would be in much better shape than doing a NAAT test which might not provide our results back in time.
I suspect/hope that between now and Oct 15 there will be more clarity. For instance, it's still not clear/certain if 72 hrs means 3 days, or 72 hrs. And if the latter, 72 hrs from when to when? How do you address a test result that doesn't have the time of the test on it? What does "arrival" in Hawaii mean? Touchdown? When it's your turn at the front of the line? What about a flight to Maui that stops in Honolulu for 45 min? Understanding 72 hrs to mean 3 days makes all those testy questions go away. But if 72 means 72, those all have to be answered.
 

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I just went and looked at the actual order signed by the Governor. Exhibit B has the details. Here is what it says (I've added the bolding and deleted not relevant parts):

§4 Mandatory Self-Quarantine .
(a) All persons entering the State of Hawaii shall be subject to mandatory self quarantine, except:
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(2) those persons who have submitted a test sample for a State approved COVID-19 test within 72 hours from the final leg of departure and whose negative test results for the COVID-19 disease are verified by the State upon arrival.
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(c) Notwithstanding the foregoing, those persons who have submitted a test sample for a State approved COVID-19 test within 72 hours from the final leg of departure and whose test results were not available at arrival, may thereafter submit negative test results to state officials designated by the Director of Emergency Management, and upon written acceptance from such officials, will no longer be subject to the mandatory self-quarantine.


What does "from the final leg of departure" mean? Does that mean from DEPARTURE or ARRIVAL?

Because (c) speaks about not having the results "at arrival" I am led to believe that the phrase "within 72 hours from the final leg of departure" means you need to have TAKEN the test within 72 hours of when you leave or start your final leg. If you flew NYC to SF to HNL, that would mean when you departed SF for Honolulu. That effectively negates all the questions about what happens to your time upon arrival and effectively adds about 5-6 hours to the time window.

It does not answer how you address written test results that do not indicate the time the test sample was submitted. But, if you DEPART for Hawaii at, say, 10:00am PST from SF or LAX on a Friday, Going back 72 hours is 10:00am PST 10:00am on Tuesday. That's essentially 3 days.
 

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I suspect/hope that between now and Oct 15 there will be more clarity....What about a flight to Maui that stops in Honolulu for 45 min?
At the moment, the issue of travel to an island that isn't O'ahu is still completely in up in the air. Interisland travel from O'ahu is still subject to a 14-day quarantine and in Gov. Ige's recent interview with the Star Advertiser he said he expected it to remain in place after October 15th because of the scarcity of testing and medical facilities.

Will a negative COVID-19 test get you out of interisland quarantine? Will a layover at HNL 'count' as interisland travel? And if so, how long a layover on O'ahu is allowed? Will you need a separate test obtained on O'ahu to visit other islands? And when will the interisland quarantine requirement for travel from O'ahu be lifted?

All details which will be worked out...but which are currently unaddressed. I wouldn't book an Oct 16th trip to anywhere but O'ahu.
 

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Let's say I have 2 flights to get to Hawaii - the 2nd flight is my final leg of departure.

I don't think a flight from Honolulu to Maui counts as the final leg of travel, because you enter the state when you land on Oahu and that's when you have to meet the requirements.

If you start on the mainland, and then land on Oahu and then Maui, it would not be considered interisland travel, because your original point of departure was the mainland.
 
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At the moment, the issue of travel to an island that isn't O'ahu is still completely in up in the air. Interisland travel from O'ahu is still subject to a 14-day quarantine and in Gov. Ige's recent interview with the Star Advertiser he said he expected it to remain in place after October 15th because of the scarcity of testing and medical facilities.

Will a negative COVID-19 test get you out of interisland quarantine? Will a layover at HNL 'count' as interisland travel? And if so, how long a layover on O'ahu is allowed? Will you need a separate test obtained on O'ahu to visit other islands? And when will the interisland quarantine requirement for travel from O'ahu be lifted?

All details which will be worked out...but which are currently unaddressed. I wouldn't book an Oct 16th trip to anywhere but O'ahu.
I believe the FAQ says that if you don't leave the airport in Honolulu and you connect to another island that's okay, it's like one flight. But if you leave the airport and, say, your connection flight is the next day, then that connection flight is an "inter-island" flight and those rules apply.
 

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More information is coming out about the United program at other news outlets too:

They are using the Abbott ID Now rapid test initially only at San Francisco for flights to Hawaii from what I read today. The interesting thing is that it appears the Abbott test satisfies the Hawaii rules. It becomes easy to imagine, if necessary, a "Hawaii Travelers" checkin area at the airport where you go to get your COVID test an hour or 90 min before your flight. The center would have its own CLIA approved lab running the Abbott machines, and the cost shared by the major airlines flying to Hawaii.
 

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I just went and looked at the actual order signed by the Governor. Exhibit B has the details. Here is what it says (I've added the bolding and deleted not relevant parts):

§4 Mandatory Self-Quarantine .
(a) All persons entering the State of Hawaii shall be subject to mandatory self quarantine, except:
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(2) those persons who have submitted a test sample for a State approved COVID-19 test within 72 hours from the final leg of departure and whose negative test results for the COVID-19 disease are verified by the State upon arrival.
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(c) Notwithstanding the foregoing, those persons who have submitted a test sample for a State approved COVID-19 test within 72 hours from the final leg of departure and whose test results were not available at arrival, may thereafter submit negative test results to state officials designated by the Director of Emergency Management, and upon written acceptance from such officials, will no longer be subject to the mandatory self-quarantine.


What does "from the final leg of departure" mean? Does that mean from DEPARTURE or ARRIVAL?

Because (c) speaks about not having the results "at arrival" I am led to believe that the phrase "within 72 hours from the final leg of departure" means you need to have TAKEN the test within 72 hours of when you leave or start your final leg. If you flew NYC to SF to HNL, that would mean when you departed SF for Honolulu. That effectively negates all the questions about what happens to your time upon arrival and effectively adds about 5-6 hours to the time window.

It does not answer how you address written test results that do not indicate the time the test sample was submitted. But, if you DEPART for Hawaii at, say, 10:00am PST from SF or LAX on a Friday, Going back 72 hours is 10:00am PST 10:00am on Tuesday. That's essentially 3 days.

Yes, but apparently the Governor or whoever drafted the order may not have ever looked at the results of a COVID-19 test. My test and all that I'm aware of do not show the time of the test, only the date.
 

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Yes, but apparently the Governor or whoever drafted the order may not have ever looked at the results of a COVID-19 test. My test and all that I'm aware of do not show the time of the test, only the date.
Eh, nobody likes to be burdened with details. So, yes, I'm guessing nobody's actually ever looked, or they looked at their own that had it and have not considered labs around the US. More good reasons NOT to be on the first light over on Oct. 15.
 

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We have reservations for Kauai and the Big Island in April. Assuming we can get our tests and results in the 72 hr time frame prior to arrival, do we have to quarantine when flying from Kona to Kauai? If you get a second test before your inter-island flight can you avoid quarantine? Otherwise it would only make sense to visit 1 island.
 

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We have reservations for Kauai and the Big Island in April. Assuming we can get our tests and results in the 72 hr time frame prior to arrival, do we have to quarantine when flying from Kona to Kauai? If you get a second test before your inter-island flight can you avoid quarantine? Otherwise it would only make sense to visit 1 island.
As of today the interisland quarantine from Kona to Kauai is still in effect with no dispensation for COVID testing. But I would be very, very surprised if that was still true in April.
 

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Hawaiian Airlines is getting in on the deal.

Hawaiian Airlines passengers who avail themselves of the offer can use drive-through services at Worksite Labs locations near LAX and SFO. They can opt to pay $90 to get their results within 36 hours or $150 for same-day results. Its Droplet Digital PCR shallow nasal swab tests meet Hawaii's testing requirements.
 
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