New scientific paper: offshore wind turbines alter marine eco-system, could shift ocean currents

[emeryjre]

Tons of studies on OSW affects on fisheries
Norway and other European countries have been doing studies for years
We can count on Carolinian to pick a small segment of the studies to reflect his slanted views

He loves coal though
Will not comment on the mercury poisoning the rivers of the Carolinas
Or the fly ash leaking toxins into the same rivers

New day
SOS

 

[Carolinian]

Tons of studies on OSW affects on fisheries
Norway and other European countries have been doing studies for years
We can count on Carolinian to pick a small segment of the studies to reflect his slanted views

He loves coal though
Will not comment on the mercury poisoning the rivers of the Carolinas
Or the fly ash leaking toxins into the same rivers

New day
SOS

What I love is reasonably priced and dependable power. What I dislike is land intensive alternative power that wrecks the environment, whether it is industrializing the oceans, clearcutting forests for wind and solar, or killing wildlife. I particularly support nuclear and hydro among conventional power and geothermal, where it is practical, among new power sources.

I acknowledge that studies are mixed on fish, and in many cases, that varies on the type of fish and their specific reproductive cycles. When it comes to marine mammals, crabs, and other sea creatures, offshore wind is a huge hazard.

In southeastern NC, the Cape Fear River as well as ground water have been poisoned by GenX chemicals related to the solar industry. Mercury comes from a lot of sources.

Here is a humorous take on the subject of wind, solar, and "net zero" from the AI-powered British humorists of Artificial Idiots. The sketch on the Royal Navy's first solar powered submarine "HMS Sunshine" is particularly a scream. For non-Brits, the government official interviewed "Ted Willihand" is a takeoff on Ed Milliband, the cabinet official who until recently was in charge of Net Zero.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7599011655015468310

 

[emeryjre]

Nuclear power comes up in this thread on a regular basis

This is a press release summarized by Tectonic

Tectonic posts daily reports on the latest and newest technology being evaluated by the US Military

In this fast-moving new world of FPV drones, drone swarms, Autonomous Targeting cruise missiles, they are reporting on the companies getting seed funding and evaluation from the US Military

This press release talks about the new small scale nuclear reactors that are coming online during the first round of testing

At this stage of the game, the designs are all different

They out of the design stage and operational at minimum levels

The next phase will be to deploy working devices onto military bases for further evaluation

Military bases provide around the clock security and space for evaluation

Things are moving fast in this area of nuclear power

The Army’s Project Janus Taps Five Nuclear Companies for On-Base Power

The Army awarded five nuclear companies a collective $2.2B to deploy microreactors on five military installations.

www.tectonicdefense.com

 

[Carolinian]

Here is a positive idea from Alberta that US states should adopt. Beginning October 1, solar panels will be banned from landfills in the province to try to force them to be recycled or reused. Every solar panel sold in Alberta will require a payment of a $14 fee that will go into a fund to finance recycling of the panels.

REAL environmentalism: Alberta bans solar panels from landfills, makes industry pay for recycling

Alberta is banning discarded solar panels from provincial landfills and requiring buyers of new panels to fund their eventual recycling, creating what the government calls North America’s first dedicated solar-panel recycling program.

www.rebelnews.com

 

[pedro47]

Are there any wind turbines in the Mediterranean Seas or the Indian Ocean?

 

[emeryjre]

Here is a positive idea from Alberta that US states should adopt. Beginning October 1, solar panels will be banned from landfills in the province to try to force them to be recycled or reused. Every solar panel sold in Alberta will require a payment of a $14 fee that will go into a fund to finance recycling of the panels.

REAL environmentalism: Alberta bans solar panels from landfills, makes industry pay for recycling

Alberta is banning discarded solar panels from provincial landfills and requiring buyers of new panels to fund their eventual recycling, creating what the government calls North America’s first dedicated solar-panel recycling program.

www.rebelnews.com

This was the status of state mandated solar recycling for 2025

The big problem with solar recycling operations at this point is the lack of solar panels to recycle

I have mentioned this problem several times in the past for companies large enough to have listings on various stock exchanges

50 States of Solar Decommissioning Snapshot: Solar-Plus-Storage Decommissioning Gains Focus as Recycling Mandates Expand | NC Clean Energy Technology Center

nccleantech.ncsu.edu

 

[Carolinian]

This was the status of state mandated solar recycling for 2025

The big problem with solar recycling operations at this point is the lack of solar panels to recycle

I have mentioned this problem several times in the past for companies large enough to have listings on various stock exchanges

50 States of Solar Decommissioning Snapshot: Solar-Plus-Storage Decommissioning Gains Focus as Recycling Mandates Expand | NC Clean Energy Technology Center

nccleantech.ncsu.edu

The charge for recycling upfront when the solar panel is bought is a very positive step. Here in North Carolina, there has been such a fee for some time when one buys a new kitchen appliance. So is banning them from the landfills.

 

[Carolinian]

Are there any wind turbines in the Mediterranean Seas or the Indian Ocean?

The most offshore wind in Europe is in northern Europe, but there is a little in the Med, and a recent proposal for floating offshore turbines there. Offshore wind is significantly more costly to produce than onshore wind. Experience in the British Isles document the harm to wildlife in industrializing the oceans this way.

 

[emeryjre]

Maine is the only state currently collecting a fee from the consumer on the purchase of a solar panel
The fee is $125 a panel

Some states are collecting fees from solar panel manufacturers for the purposes of recycling

There seems to be no federal proposals pending in Congress at this time

Time to contact your Senators and your House District Representative and let them know how you feel about this issue

 

[emeryjre]

Often mentioned as a source of electricity is Geothermal

Here is a good article on the current state of affairs at a promising geothermal technology company
In the Geothermal industry,

This is the company being watched most closely

The reason for the concern about Geothermal

In Germany a major investment was made in a geothermal design
It has been a near disaster
Millions invested
No electricity
Water temperatures too low to spin a turbine

This is story of the company currently being viewed as having a technology that will work

A well 19,448 feet long, drilled straight down into Utah and then turned sideways for 7,500 feet of it, is pushing water into rock at 460 degrees and taking it back out at more than 400, on rigs and pumping spreads that came out of the oil patch. The

If you follow power deals at all, you already know the shape of these. A tech company buys a few hundred megawatts of something clean, both sides put out a

www.autonocion.com

 

[Carolinian]

Geothermal is a promising technology. It lacks the intermittency and land intensive nature that make wind and solar undesirable. Oh, and the cost. Here a major British newspaper discusses that:

Danger of higher bills as billions squandered in 'net zero madness'

Feels like we’re being rinsed again

www.express.co.uk

 

[Brett]

Geothermal is a promising technology. It lacks the intermittency and land intensive nature that make wind and solar undesirable. Oh, and the cost. Here a major British newspaper discusses that:

Danger of higher bills as billions squandered in 'net zero madness'

Feels like we’re being rinsed again

www.express.co.uk

Forget water, "big beautiful coal" is making a comeback .............. for some obscure reason

Coal Power is Rebounding in the U.S​

https://time.com/7382295/us-coal-power-

 

[emeryjre]

Geothermal is a promising technology. It lacks the intermittency and land intensive nature that make wind and solar undesirable. Oh, and the cost. Here a major British newspaper discusses that:

Danger of higher bills as billions squandered in 'net zero madness'

Feels like we’re being rinsed again

www.express.co.uk

Lots of huffing and puffing and bluster in the article

Bottom line is the need for an upgraded grid to deliver power from one area to another

Energy minister Michael Shanks said: “This report is another stark reminder of the cost of years of historic underinvestment in the grid. As the National Audit Office recognises in its report, our once-in-a-generation reforms are finally building the infrastructure we need: reducing our dependence on the fossil fuels that leave households exposed to price spikes and helping lower people's bills for good.”

You obviously didn't read the article on geothermal either
The big plant under development in Utah has the same problem
the expectation is it will produce a lot of electricity,
But no way to send it anywhere
Nobody wants to invest in a power line to nowhere until the capability to produce electricity is proven

 

[emeryjre]

Forget water, "big beautiful coal" is making a comeback .............. for some obscure reason

Coal Power is Rebounding in the U.S​

https://time.com/7382295/us-coal-power-

Unfortunately the link does not lead to the article
The error message says the link is expired

 

[Carolinian]

Lots of huffing and puffing and bluster in the article

Bottom line is the need for an upgraded grid to deliver power from one area to another

Energy minister Michael Shanks said: “This report is another stark reminder of the cost of years of historic underinvestment in the grid. As the National Audit Office recognises in its report, our once-in-a-generation reforms are finally building the infrastructure we need: reducing our dependence on the fossil fuels that leave households exposed to price spikes and helping lower people's bills for good.”

You obviously didn't read the article on geothermal either
The big plant under development in Utah has the same problem
the expectation is it will produce a lot of electricity,
But no way to send it anywhere
Nobody wants to invest in a power line to nowhere until the capability to produce electricity is proven

Of course, the Energy Minister is going to defend what the government is doing and put the blame on past governments. That is NOT what other officials are saying.

Geothermal is a stable, continuous source of power, and once proven, can be connected.

Wind and solar are intermittent. When the wind isn't blowing (or blowing too hard so that it shuts down), it has to have back up, and the same is true of solar when the sun isn't shining. No amount of grid updates can fix the intermittency problem.

Then there are the seasonal problems. With wind, the best wind conditions are in Spring and Fall, when demand is less because it is between a/c season and heating season. Here it overproduces, and many countries require it be purchased and then either dumped or sold on at a loss. There is also a seasonal problem with solar. One of the high demand periods is winter, but this is a time with both shorter days and less intense sunlight, both of which reduce production. Then there are the snow and ice storms that shut down production completely.

Having to turn conventional power generation sources on and off due to the intermittency of wind and solar makes those sources run inefficiently and that also leads to high consumer costs.

 

[emeryjre]

Here is the actual NAO report discussed in the express.co.uk article

https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Upgrading-the-electricity-transmission-network.pdf

 

[emeryjre]

Of course, the Energy Minister is going to defend what the government is doing and put the blame on past governments. That is NOT what other officials are saying.

Geothermal is a stable, continuous source of power, and once proven, can be connected.

Wind and solar are intermittent. When the wind isn't blowing (or blowing too hard so that it shuts down), it has to have back up, and the same is true of solar when the sun isn't shining. No amount of grid updates can fix the intermittency problem.

Then there are the seasonal problems. With wind, the best wind conditions are in Spring and Fall, when demand is less because it is between a/c season and heating season. Here it overproduces, and many countries require it be purchased and then either dumped or sold on at a loss. There is also a seasonal problem with solar. One of the high demand periods is winter, but this is a time with both shorter days and less intense sunlight, both of which reduce production. Then there are the snow and ice storms that shut down production completely.

Having to turn conventional power generation sources on and off due to the intermittency of wind and solar makes those sources run inefficiently and that also leads to high consumer costs.

You sound like a broken record
Repeating the same old addages