New Point Requirements to Trade Hyatt in II?

[skimeup]

I'm so done with Hyatt. Extreme increases in maintenance fees and this is what we get for them.

 

[ScoopKona]

If the Hyatt system is no longer "excellent" for II trades are there any other point systems that remain especially good for II trading?

The "nerfing" isn't linear. I looked at the places I trade to most, at the times I tend to visit. The increase is annoying. But not a deal breaker. Visiting Hawaii during school breaks has almost doubled. They're really sticking it to families, teachers, and anyone else who wants popular places during school breaks.

 

[dioxide45]

Yes, but it's screwed up a bit:

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Now points requirements don't just depend on season and size, but also on II resort rating. "Premier Elite" requires more points to trade into. In the chart above, first table is for Affiliate, second appears to be for Premier Elite, third for Preferred Residences, and Select table is missing. At least that's how I read it. And, the web programming is crewed up, you can only click on affiliate numbers, so you cannot trade into anything above 1,750 points at the moment due to links not working.

Are all the charts now available in II and are the links working yet?

 

[heathpack]

Well, my hatred for Hyatt is complete.

I just sold both of my weeks. I had one sold, made an II exchange using points from the other week. Hyatt took the points out of the wrong week and then wouldnt fix their error. My buyer agreed to keep our deal alive, if I paid the MF and kept the points. I didn’t want the points but made 3 interval deposits and paid Eplus with the intention of retracing them.

Meanwhile Hyatt bought back that week. Then I found a buyer for my second week, we’re waiting to hear from Hyatt on ROFR. I hope they take my week because who knows if my buyer will back out given this development.

But now when I look in II, I’m not going to be able to retrade my exchanges because I will need more points to retrade. I won’t have any more points once I unload this second week. So I’m stuck with what I have. Maybe I can make the case to II to refund my Eplusses at least.

So I now have 3 exchanges close together in late 2024/early 2025. I can’t EPlus and I can’t use all three.

I really do hate Hyatt!

 

[echino]

made an II exchange using points from the other week. Hyatt took the points out of the wrong week and then wouldnt fix their error.

You can't choose from which Hyatt week to use points to exchange in II. It looks like you are choosing in II, but really you are not. Hyatt will always use EEE points first, and then non-EEE points which expire first, regardless of which week you choose in II.

 

[echino]

Are all the charts now available in II and are the links working yet?

They removed the charts completely.

 

[heathpack]

You can't choose from which Hyatt week to use points to exchange in II. It looks like you are choosing in II, but really you are not. Hyatt will always use EEE points first, and then non-EEE points which expire first, regardless of which week you choose in II.

Actually, talking to Hyatt and II, this can be done. If you call II to make the exchange and state which contract you want to points pulled from, they are able to pull points from the correct one.

However if you elect which ownership you want them to pull from on the website, they will disregard that and just pull from the pool of the oldest points.

 

[ArizonaSun4Fun]

I suggest we all refuse to pay the additional $157 club dues for II membership. (Or pay it only once if you own multiple weeks.) This exorbitant point devaluation without warning, on top of extensive maintenance fee increases can not be tolerated. The value proposition for timeshares is pretty much over, and we basically won't even be able to give them away.

 

[dioxide45]

They removed the charts completely.

So even the old rates aren't available?

 

[ScoopKona]

Let's be honest -- how many people were prolific II traders?

Nobody ever seemed to care much for II trades last week. I'm in the minority as I bought this JUST to trade in II -- and that's what I've been doing for 25 years. But most people seem to be content trading Hyatt for Hyatt.

I'm more unhappy about this than most. But it seems to me the bulk of legacy Hyatt owners won't be affected because they aren't using this feature in the first place.

 

[heathpack]

Let's be honest -- how many people were prolific II traders?

Nobody ever seemed to care much for II trades last week. I'm in the minority as I bought this JUST to trade in II -- and that's what I've been doing for 25 years. But most people seem to be content trading Hyatt for Hyatt.

I'm more unhappy about this than most. But it seems to me the bulk of legacy Hyatt owners won't be affected because they aren't using this feature in the first place.

Lol you just talked about it the most. I don’t think you were you particularly unique. I predominantly traded my Hyatt units in II and have talked about doing so here on TUG for years. I just looked at my II account and counted 31 interval exchanges that I made over around 15 years. I probably made 8-10 club exchanges during that time, and I never once used my owned weeks.

 

[Creekway6]

Sorry to see this adjustment. I never traded in RCI, but the II trading into Disney was compelling. I have been getting 3 weeks in a studio on property at WDW for my single two bedroom week at Wild Oak (for which I paid $1). Revised charts will give me two weeks at DVC, not three. And no way to get into a 2 bedroom unit at DVC. That’s still good value (I also own DVC), but no longer compelling.

 

[SteveinHNL]

While we aren’t happy about this change, our main interest in owning Hyatt is to stay at our home resort (Sedona) and exchange internally to other Hyatt resorts. We will only use II if necessary.

Same. We have had 2200 EEE points for over a year but I haven't found anywhere I would like to use them yet.

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

We used II for summers in Colorado, Mexico trips and to add on to our Hawaii trips, and yes inventory has slowed done but for diligent seekers there were bargains to be found. We have gotten our money's worth and will still find many uses for our Hyatt internally but it's sad to loose what we thought was a given

 

[ivywag]

Let's be honest -- how many people were prolific II traders?

Nobody ever seemed to care much for II trades last week. I'm in the minority as I bought this JUST to trade in II -- and that's what I've been doing for 25 years. But most people seem to be content trading Hyatt for Hyatt.

I'm more unhappy about this than most. But it seems to me the bulk of legacy Hyatt owners won't be affected because they aren't using this feature in the first place.

Maybe not using as II as much, but paying Interval fees on each unit. For us that’s 7 Interval fees per year while the other brands only pay 1 Interval membership for their all of their units. Now, they’re increasing the number of points necessary for an exchange but only for Hyatt owners. It’s now double-dipping at our expense.

 

[ScoopKona]

Maybe not using as II as much, but paying Interval fees on each unit. For us that’s 7 Interval fees per year while the other brands only pay 1 Interval membership for their all of their units. Now, they’re increasing the number of points necessary for an exchange but only for Hyatt owners. It’s now double-dipping at our expense.

To be fair, no other system could get as many weeks from a single maintenance fee as Hyatt. Yes, the changes absolutely stink for Hyatt owners. But I've gone from being able to trade my single week for up to five weeks a year (easily) to three weeks.

It's worse for families who need Christmas/Easter/Summer weeks because of school -- anyplace nice and sunny in those areas has doubled in points.

Devil's advocate -- we're still getting more than one week for our week. That's better than most other systems, still.

 

[dioxide45]

Can anyone see the points levels now on the II website? Have the charts returned and working?

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

Can anyone see the points levels now on the II website? Have the charts returned and working?

Just checked, no charts at all currently.

 

[dioxide45]

Just checked, no charts at all currently.

So can you even do a trade right now if there are no point values to click on?

 

[skimeup]

Yes - you can do an exchange but at the new rate.

I purchased primarily for the trading value in II - I like to go many different places, but now that I am aging out, I prefer cities and am heading to Boston and Vancouver through II in a couple of months. New York City and probably DC in May. That is through RCI, and I think I will switch to RCI now and dump the Hyatts. One last swing through Beavercreek and Aspen for summer music festivals and then on to other things.

I do feel like this was a bit of a swindle - it seems that the bigger the corporations become, the less value one gets. I have been choking over the $2600 Highland Inn maintenance fee and am glad to be motivated to get rid of it!!! RCI deals use many fewer points even if the trading costs are higher.

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

So can you even do a trade right now if there are no point values to click on?

There is no chart. It's just like normal . It gives you amounts after you chose .

 

[TravelJoy]

I do feel like this was a bit of a swindle - it seems that the bigger the corporations become, the less value one gets.

Absolutely. It's quite literally a hunt or be hunted type environment not to just hospitality consolidation but visible throughout the market, particularly given the recession backdrop. In more recent times Sprint/Tmobile, MSFT/ATVI, Soon to be JetBlu/Spirit, Alaska/HA the smaller you are the more likely you are to be gobbled up inevitably reducing competition resulting in higher prices in some form with reduced benefits to mature customers. We are seeing massive consolidation in hotel space and likely more to come.

 

[dioxide45]

Perhaps them providng the charts to pick from was a mistake and now they don't want you to see the price amounts until you go to select an exchange? They didn't intend to be so transparent with this change.

 

[TravelJoy]

Perhaps them providng the charts to pick from was a mistake and now they don't want you to see the price amounts until you go to select an exchange? They didn't intend to be so transparent with this change.

Likely, It also provided proof of the tdi levels and where the trade falls for exchanges, too late now.

 

[Benz_one]

This is incredibly disappointing for people that exchange in II. I have a one bedroom platinum that yields 1320 points per year which allowed us to trade for ANY 2 bedroom in II. We have gotten fantastic trades over the years. With the new math, we get 1490 points to trade in II. That is no longer enough to do what we want to do. I will likely need to sell this one. Does anyone have suggestions on any solid traders? We aim for Westin, Marriott and Hyatt properties.