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Need an II property

Priscilla said:
PS: anytime you are ready to get rid of your GV ownership, I could take it off your hands.
I have been patiently waiting for a GV RCI points to purchase.
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Oh I’m sure there will be lots of RCI points contracts coming up soon lol, I’ve used all of my 2022 points already but come June of next year I’ll be evaluating whether or not it’s going to work for me. I do prefer II resorts over RCI.
 
Out of curiosity, what is the big deal about staying in a DVC resort?
I have been to Orlando several times and visited Disney world a few times.

Matter of fact, we are heading there in a couple of weeks for the holidays. I never missed anything staying in other resorts and commuting to DW.
Maybe I’m not aware of what I’m missing with not staying on site.
Don’t you still have to purchase the Disney tickets to visit the parks? Or can you just stay at the resort and not necessarily have to purchase park tickets?
Sorry for the dumb question but truly just wondering what the big deal is.
 

Absolutely free.
This resort is great for exchanging. You can split it into 2 2 bedrooms into II.

OP in case you are interested. Not sure how it will play out with DVC exchanges.
 
dioxide45 said:
DVC might be a lot like Marriott's Crystal Shores. In many cases only the prime 2BR and larger Marriott deposits can pull Crystal Shores. Of course DVC won't have any kind of trade preference but I do suspect even 1BR deposits will be a tough exchange. I won't need to worry about it though, we only own in Orlando and there will indeed be a regional block preventing us from trying to trade in.

Perhaps this might be a reason to pick up Sheraton Flex. I don't know if that would be considered Orlando since there are Orlando resorts in it, but I know other mini systems weren't locked out of DVC through II. Sheraton Flex will likely trade into DVC via their current TPU/Unit Size grid. It would be interesting to see if these numbers hold true for trading into DVC and if DVC will be in the Orlando region as far as TPU goes. Perhaps II will create a new WDW region to reclassify DVC TPUs.
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If this grid doesn’t change for DVC, and DVC deposits follow what they have been in RCI, then 51,700 Sheraton Flex options would be good enough to pull a one bedroom. The majority of DVC deposits in RCI were one bedrooms in weeks that are the equivalent to Interval’s TDI range of 100-130. (Assuming this is how trading with Flex Options works)

Does anyone want to pay nearly 1200 a year in annual fees for 51,700 Flex Options? Doesn’t seem worth it.
 
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Priscilla said:
Out of curiosity, what is the big deal about staying in a DVC resort?
I have been to Orlando several times and visited Disney world a few times.

Matter of fact, we are heading there in a couple of weeks for the holidays. I never missed anything staying in other resorts and commuting to DW.
Maybe I’m not aware of what I’m missing with not staying on site.
Don’t you still have to purchase the Disney tickets to visit the parks? Or can you just stay at the resort and not necessarily have to purchase park tickets?
Sorry for the dumb question but truly just wondering what the big deal is.
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so there are a few perks to staying in the bubble-
One is transportation- quite a few of the resorts you can even walk to parks and or the springs or take direct transportation to parks/springs…there is no cost for parking either at the WDW resorts or at WDW parks- this has been somewhat of an issue occasionally with DLP & Aulani with rentals no idea if those even appear as trades…

dvc villas are eligible for the extended park early accesss & ( when offered ) the extended evenings for deluxe resorts.

early access to genie+ ( this is a bubble thing )

Pre Covid there were a ton more reasons for staying bubble - those and some new ones are supposed to be coming in 2022. Some are great some are cute some are just meh
 

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Cool.
Glad the bubble makes others happy.
 
Agree that dual affiliated (trades with both II and RCI) is important, as DVC was II initially, then moved to RCI, and is now moving back to II. Recommend you get the highest trading category in II's T.D.I., ie the 'highest red' category to put it in more familiar terms. That level will then match up with DVC which is also in the highest level of trading category (demand). I own many weeks at an oceanfront resort in the Carolinas that is dual affiliated with both II and RCI for trades, is stable, and has a 2 bed maintenance fee of $750ish. The weeks in the highest II category for trades in Carolina Coast resorts is weeks 22 - 33 (early June to late August). I know of a few 2 beds for sale in week 22 for approx $1000-1500. The weeks are deeded, but can also be traded in II's points system too. Or RCI one year, and II the next (ie choosing which exchange network to use is not a permanent choice in dual affiliated resorts). Suggest you buy a week/unit that you can later sell if it doesn't work out for you. You could find weeks for $0, but check their trading category and possibility of marketability later on so you're not stuck with it should you decide to change your strategy. Reply to me if interested in knowing more.
 
jr4seasons said:
Agree that dual affiliated (trades with both II and RCI) is important, as DVC was II initially, then moved to RCI, and is now moving back to II. Recommend you get the highest trading category in II's T.D.I., ie the 'highest red' category to put it in more familiar terms. That level will then match up with DVC which is also in the highest level of trading category (demand).
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I do not think it is foolish for someone to get a trader unit to potentially trade into DVC, but assumptions come with risks. If DVC leaves. II in 5 or 10 years to exchange somewhere else …. itis hardly safe to assume it would be RCI.

We have no idea at this time what the most efficient trader in II will be to land a DVC trade. And whatever it is in 2022 could be considerably different in 2025.

Owning a 150 (highest) TDI week in II is good for trading purposes. However, TDI ratings are week specific and region specific, but not resort specific. You can have a TDI 150 week at a skunk of a resort and that does not mean it will be a great trader. II ratings like premiere or elite likely matter a fair amount as well.
 
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II has always been second to RCI. It makes me wonder why DVC would bother to switch. RCI is more transparent and if you save enough points, anyone can qualify for a high value property. In fact there is a widget buried in RCI accounts that tells you thé worth of anything in its system. The points are used as resort handicapping.
 
SML123 said:
II has always been second to RCI. It makes me wonder why DVC would bother to switch. RCI is more transparent and if you save enough points, anyone can qualify for a high value property. In fact there is a widget buried in RCI accounts that tells you thé worth of anything in its system. The points are used as resort handicapping.
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Didn't RCI only come up with the TPU system out of the class action suit where they were sued regarding renting of units deposited by owners?
 
dioxide45 said:
Didn't RCI only come up with the TPU system out of the class action suit where they were sued regarding renting of units deposited by owners?
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Yes and funny that it was also about the same time they started giving change back if what you gave up was more valuable than what you got. We prefer off season, so the overhaul worked to our advantage.
 
bnoble said:
It was around that time, but not in response to anything from the suit IIRC.
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I recall it around that time and thought it was one of the stipulations of the settlement. I could be wrong.
 
bnoble said:
It was around that time, but not in response to anything from the suit IIRC.
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I think it was a result of the suit. The terms only required them to do it for 5 years and when questioned about that during the proceedings, rci responded that it was quite an expensive system change and if they did it, they would have no intention to going back to the old way. I think they actually found a combination of the transparency, the ability to get get more fees with combine and extensions and multiple exchange fees from a single deposit all brought in more money so once they changed they did keep it.
 
Anyone think II will go in this direction in the next few years? Just curious. EPlus and higher quality inventory (if you can land it) is what I like about II. RCI has much better transparency, a larger quantity of resorts with more inventory available in my region, and offers more flexibility.

SML123 said:
Yes and funny that it was also about the same time they started giving change back if what you gave up was more valuable than what you got. We prefer off season, so the overhaul worked to our advantage.
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My dual-affiliated units at Tree Tops Resort in Gatlinburg always traded well with II. I'm not a big II fan, so RCI has been getting them the past few years. Gatlinburg is a hot driving destination for much of the east coast. It was crazy busy even during COVID. Tree Tops was impacted by the wildfires a few years ago, so it is practically a new resort since the rebuild. Good management with very reasonable maintenance fees. Not even a special assessment when it burned. Many of the owners use their week, so deposits always seem to be in high demand there. We don't go to Gatlinburg because of the tourists, but we've had great trades from it.

Sheila
 
I recently purchased a small HICV package and asked for a received an II account as well as RCI. No idea about the trades yet.
 
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