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Though I would not rush out to buy a property based on DVC joining II, I personally don't see how DVC would be an impossible trade when brought in. I think Hyatt is excellent (at least as desirable for trading into) and in II it has not been hard to trade into two bedroom Hyatt units, the difficulty is it is that they are high-demand, so the weeks making it out of OGS into the regular inventory go quickly. When I say "go quickly", I can see one appear and it is often gone in less than 10 seconds. Sure, people give up their hold and they may circulate for a little bit longer, but they are often gone the same day they are posted.

There are a few Hyatt's this doesn't apply to, but for the most part the Florida weeks go quickly.

I'm not sure if dual affiliation would be important if you already have a week in RCI that you are happy with. If I was going to buy something to trade in II, I would personally lean towards either Marriott or Vistana as you would also benefit from the preference period, should you not want to trade exclusively into Disney with your ownership.

I also think owning Disney is great if that is where you want to be. Trading internally in DVC gives you access to the most desirable resorts, and the points system make it possible to stay less than a week in some places that may never end up in II (thinking of trying to get a 2 bedroom in Aulani may be impossible in II).

It is all just speculation of course, but if you can't trade into Disney with a one bedroom, then maybe a two bedroom will do it. If you buy a lockoff you can adjust your strategy to make sure you have enough trade power.
 
I think demand for DVC is a lot different than pre-2009 (me included). I'd imagine deposits will be similar to RCI in II, but mid-lower resorts might not have enough "power" to pull DVC like they might have done pre-2009. And I cannot imagine DVC ever being had for an AC again.
 
I think demand for DVC is a lot different than pre-2009 (me included). I'd imagine deposits will be similar to RCI in II, but mid-lower resorts might not have enough "power" to pull DVC like they might have done pre-2009. And I cannot imagine DVC ever being had for an AC again.
DVC might be a lot like Marriott's Crystal Shores. In many cases only the prime 2BR and larger Marriott deposits can pull Crystal Shores. Of course DVC won't have any kind of trade preference but I do suspect even 1BR deposits will be a tough exchange. I won't need to worry about it though, we only own in Orlando and there will indeed be a regional block preventing us from trying to trade in.

Perhaps this might be a reason to pick up Sheraton Flex. I don't know if that would be considered Orlando since there are Orlando resorts in it, but I know other mini systems weren't locked out of DVC through II. Sheraton Flex will likely trade into DVC via their current TPU/Unit Size grid. It would be interesting to see if these numbers hold true for trading into DVC and if DVC will be in the Orlando region as far as TPU goes. Perhaps II will create a new WDW region to reclassify DVC TPUs.
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I think demand for DVC is a lot different than pre-2009 (me included). I'd imagine deposits will be similar to RCI in II, but mid-lower resorts might not have enough "power" to pull DVC like they might have done pre-2009. And I cannot imagine DVC ever being had for an AC again.
Agree, and It may have made sense to buy an RCI point account to trade into DVC, I’m not so sure it makes sense to buy an II trader to try and get into DVC. Interval will be much different than RCI, Especially since we have no idea how much power a resort has in interval. With the exception of the high season Hyatt’s, Westin’s, and Marriott’s, most resorts will be hard to figure out. I’d only buy a trader with the intention on trading everywhere, not just DVC. I highly doubt there will be any DVC in any free AC, even Marriott’s aren’t available.
 
I am wondering about when DVC inventory (as well as Welk inventory) will start to show up.

It is easy to figure out weeks inventory I think - - Many people reserve close to a year in advance and a fair portion of that inventory gets deposited soon afterwards. That would mean that a lot of the 2022 weeks inventory has already been reserved and deposited in RCl. So, with weeks inventory, we probably won't be seeing a lot of it until late 2022. Of course, some people will wait to deposit their weeks in ii.

And with points inventory, I suspect that there will still be a lag, with people having already deposited the 2022 points in RCI. But I wonder if the lag isn't going to be as large. What do other points owners think?
 
I am wondering about when DVC inventory (as well as Welk inventory) will start to show up.

It is easy to figure out weeks inventory I think - - Many people reserve close to a year in advance and a fair portion of that inventory gets deposited soon afterwards. That would mean that a lot of the 2022 weeks inventory has already been reserved and deposited in RCl. So, with weeks inventory, we probably won't be seeing a lot of it until late 2022. Of course, some people will wait to deposit their weeks in ii.

And with points inventory, I suspect that there will still be a lag, with people having already deposited the 2022 points in RCI. But I wonder if the lag isn't going to be as large. What do other points owners think?
Most summer inventory began to be released in the first part of the year. So I’d expect to start seeing May inventory and beyond pop up in Interval in the beginning of 2022. March/April is currently being spotted in RCI now
 
does anyone know if DVC gives RCI deposits when someone puts DVc points into RCI or it is only when the DVC member chooses a RCI resort? If the latter, there's likely quite a few who dumped expiring (Covid) DVC points into RCI to get 2 years to then book a RCI trade.
 
does anyone know if DVC gives RCI deposits when someone puts DVc points into RCI or it is only when the DVC member chooses a RCI resort? If the latter, there's likely quite a few who dumped expiring (Covid) DVC points into RCI to get 2 years to then book a RCI trade.
I think it likely that the deal was x number of deposits per year (based on anticipated usage) not necessarily based on when a dvc member either deposits or makes an exchange. I think it likely that no additional developer made dvc deposits will be coming although there may be some cancellations from already confirmed exchanges.
 
Lots of assumptions on how the II system will work for Disney. Waiting expectantly to see the actual rules/process for DVC trades in II.
 
Agreed. For all we know they may end up have resort fees that are in line with Vidanta. One thing that will likely be the case is that II will police the rentals of exchanges more than rci was willing to do.
 
does anyone know if DVC gives RCI deposits when someone puts DVc points into RCI or it is only when the DVC member chooses a RCI resort? If the latter, there's likely quite a few who dumped expiring (Covid) DVC points into RCI to get 2 years to then book a RCI trade.
I often wondered about that too! Obviously the DVC deposits to RCI were not based on home resort of the points DVC owners deposited into RCI, since the villas seen most often in RCI in recent years were generally the last to fill internally (1 BR at SSR, OKW and AKL in January through late summer). So I envisioned that when DVC owners put points in, those points went into a sort of pool that DVC used to pay for the villas that were made available in RCI.
 
I often wondered about that too! Obviously the DVC deposits to RCI were not based on home resort of the points DVC owners deposited into RCI, since the villas seen most often in RCI in recent years were generally the last to fill internally (1 BR at SSR, OKW and AKL in January through late summer). So I envisioned that when DVC owners put points in, those points went into a sort of pool that DVC used to pay for the villas that were made available in RCI.
Agreed I think it’s done that way intentionally to backfill the resorts.
size wise those are the biggest of the DVC resorts so most rooms available- and in most DVC users seem to prefer studios and the points value in 1brd in DVC just isn’t worth it IMO- those are the units usually last to go…it’s primarily the leftovers.
I think it was DIS boards or possibly Mouseowners that had a great spreadsheet on availability of all DVC units at any given time within the use year.
 
DVC might be a lot like Marriott's Crystal Shores. In many cases only the prime 2BR and larger Marriott deposits can pull Crystal Shores. Of course DVC won't have any kind of trade preference but I do suspect even 1BR deposits will be a tough exchange. I won't need to worry about it though, we only own in Orlando and there will indeed be a regional block preventing us from trying to trade in.

Perhaps this might be a reason to pick up Sheraton Flex. I don't know if that would be considered Orlando since there are Orlando resorts in it, but I know other mini systems weren't locked out of DVC through II. Sheraton Flex will likely trade into DVC via their current TPU/Unit Size grid. It would be interesting to see if these numbers hold true for trading into DVC and if DVC will be in the Orlando region as far as TPU goes. Perhaps II will create a new WDW region to reclassify DVC TPUs.
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DC points negate regional blocks, which is one of the good things about being a Marriott enrolled owner. So it is possible to elect your Orlando deeded weeks for points, then exchange into Disney. Initially Oceana Palms was off limits to Ocean Pointe owners due to a regional block. Then DC came to be and voila, instant access thru points.
Of note is the fact I have yet to deposit DC points into II for exchange. I was looking at that possibility for 2022, but realized I have a studio deposit on hand that will get me what I want at a lower price, so I’m still looking for that opportunity to deposit/exchange using points.
 
Most points systems are created to make their owners happy and frustrate exchanger. The system has control over inventory, not owners. An owner in a weeks based system will perceive they need the highest demand week to assure they can get any exchange they desire. Thus they reserve, then deposit those coveted weeks.

Points systems cure that for developers. The developer/management can keep the highest demand/peak weeks for owners in their systems, thus keeping their owners happy and offer a feeling of exclusivity. A side benefit is they can always say, if you want to stay with us, you need to own with us.

I don’t know but will assume DVC will do the same. Peak season will be tougher to get. Slightly off season and lower, not as difficult.
 
Most points systems are created to make their owners happy and frustrate exchanger. The system has control over inventory, not owners. An owner in a weeks based system will perceive they need the highest demand week to assure they can get any exchange they desire. Thus they reserve, then deposit those coveted weeks.

Points systems cure that for developers. The developer/management can keep the highest demand/peak weeks for owners in their systems, thus keeping their owners happy and offer a feeling of exclusivity. A side benefit is they can always say, if you want to stay with us, you need to own with us.

I don’t know but will assume DVC will do the same. Peak season will be tougher to get. Slightly off season and lower, not as difficult.

Peak season one bedrooms, particular with upgrade views, are so high on DVC's point chart that they are often the ones that have shown up in RCI for exchange.
 
The developer/management can keep the highest demand/peak weeks for owners in their systems, thus keeping their owners happy and offer a feeling of exclusivity.
Prior to about 2015 or so, DVC did not do a particularly good job of this. After that, they made a noticeable change in their deposit strategy that made it very clear they were thinking hard about what owners wanted, and that owners came first in line. The practical impact is that, since then, DVC has exclusively* deposited 1BRs, the least popular room size system-wide. The vast majority have come from SSR, followed by a healthy number from OKW, some from AKV, and the infrequent unit at some of the others. Unsurprisingly, SSR is the last to fill, OKW generally the second-to-last, AKV the third, and all of the others tend to be very tight. Finally, Fall (roughly October 1st through mid-December, plus or minus a few weeks at the ends and in the middle) are much less commonly deposited. Guess which season is the most in-demand internally? They are re-balancing the point charts to try to smooth out this seasonal imbalance, but they've not gotten there yet.

I don't see any reason why DVC would suddenly change this behavior in favor of exchangers at the expense of owners, though I've been wrong before. Personally, I think that's exactly right. If there is a conflict between owners and exchangers for high-demand time, it seems appropriate for owners to have an advantage. I say that as someone who exchanges more often than I use owned time, though it is closer to 50/50 these days.
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*: There were a few perferential exchange agreements with smaller systems (e.g. Welk) that afforded access to 2BRs, but they were few and far between. Most people could safely ignore the possibility.
 
Interesting that DVC hasn’t gotten the mix right or balanced to favor owners. I would have thought they’d lead the field in this respect. It seems to me that would be the entire reason for having a points based system.
 
I must have not written it well because as of six or so years ago they absolutely have.
I understood your post fine. And understood it the way you meant it.
 
Interesting that DVC hasn’t gotten the mix right or balanced to favor owners. I would have thought they’d lead the field in this respect. It seems to me that would be the entire reason for having a points based system.
I think DVC is a unique bird in this regard. Points are expensive (both developer and resale). When people go to WDW, they aren't always as concerned about the room, so they have a tendency to book the cheapest room, point wise, with the highest occupancy. You may see a family of five in a deluxe studio. Where if I were booking a Marriott week somewhere, I would want at least a 2BR for five people. At Disney, they are more apt to just use the room to sleep and bathe. Disney is always tweaking their points charts. They found that those real cheap off season nights were often the ones that booked up first. They also found that weekdays booked up fast and high point weekend nights were sitting open. They are always working the points chart to keep the system in balance.

With Marriott, it seems people are willing to pay more to travel on a weekend and weekends at resorts are pretty busy and weekdays the resorts seem to slow down.
 
I think DVC is a unique bird in this regard. Points are expensive (both developer and resale). When people go to WDW, they aren't always as concerned about the room, so they have a tendency to book the cheapest room, point wise, with the highest occupancy. You may see a family of five in a deluxe studio. Where if I were booking a Marriott week somewhere, I would want at least a 2BR for five people. At Disney, they are more apt to just use the room to sleep and bathe. Disney is always tweaking their points charts. They found that those real cheap off season nights were often the ones that booked up first. They also found that weekdays booked up fast and high point weekend nights were sitting open. They are always working the points chart to keep the system in balance.

With Marriott, it seems people are willing to pay more to travel on a weekend and weekends at resorts are pretty busy and weekdays the resorts seem to slow down.

Maybe Disney should have done something similar to the old Sahara hotel in Las Vegas. At one time they sold sone sort of RTU package that guaranteed a hotel room for a week, paid for up front. That would have been cheaper than building, selling, managing and promoting timeshare sales.
I don’t really recall how Sahara’s pay-in-advance hotel room program worked. I only recall seeing it as resales with an end dates on the RTU program
 
Peak season one bedrooms, particular with upgrade views, are so high on DVC's point chart that they are often the ones that have shown up in RCI for exchange.

You sure on that- again I am not sure that the higher point views have a relevant history on RCI for exchange... From what I see on the tug boards its mainly SSR and OKW-
not sure how many treehouses or 1 bad units from VGF lake views or BLT theme park views get sent to RCI. DVC usually sends any breakage from the high point resorts over to cash reservations...Owners can rebook those for cash at a discount.
 
You sure on that- again I am not sure that the higher point views have a relevant history on RCI for exchange... From what I see on the tug boards its mainly SSR and OKW-
not sure how many treehouses or 1 bad units from VGF lake views or BLT theme park views get sent to RCI. DVC usually sends any breakage from the high point resorts over to cash reservations...Owners can rebook those for cash at a discount.

Check out the discussions in this forum about AKV Savannah views. It seems they come up quite often in RCI. Of course you don't know until you call DVC to add your names.
 
Check out the discussions in this forum about AKV Savannah views. It seems they come up quite often in RCI. Of course you don't know until you call DVC to add your names.

AVK Savanah views are not on the higher point scale for dvc, VGF, BLT & now RIV for Florida those are the higher points values rooms and - and are historically less likely to be booked at the 7 month mark - most of the of the one bedrooms in DVC are higher in points than AKV Savanah...AVK Savanah view has historically not been a hard reservation to get in any room size other than grand villa. Its actually quite dependable reservation for last minute before covid...
 
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