Need an II property

[tgenerso]

With DVC moving from RCI to II I'm in need of getting an II property to trade into II for DVC. Looking to spend as little as I can and don't really care where the home resort is as I'll likely never stay there. Can someone give me some resorts to check out and maybe an idea of the what to look for? What big timeshare companies use II? (Marriott, etc?). Thanks!!

 

[dioxide45]

Not sure I would be buying just yet, but some of the resorts mentioned in the other DVC/II thread is Sheraton Desert Oasis and Sheraton Broadway Plantation. They both have reasonable fees and trade well. Who knows though how they will trade in II.

 

[escanoe]

Not sure I would be buying just yet, but some of the resorts mentioned in the other DVC/II thread is Sheraton Desert Oasis and Sheraton Broadway Plantation

I wholeheartedly agree with the advice above. If I was 100% buying something to exchange and was in love with things like DVC that can move, I would look at II/RCI (dual affiliated) resorts to maximize flexibility and options. I believe SDO and SBP are.

 

[dougp26364]

My first inclination is to say, if you want to stay at DVC, the safe bet is to own DVC. Trading is like building a house on shifting sands. Things ALWAYS change.

Having said that, if I were going to buy with the intention of always exchanging, I’d be looking at higher quality in high season for the best trade power possible. Dual affiliation is a good idea as well, but resorts that will definitely pull DVC might be as scarce as hens teeth. II can be a mystery as to whether you have enough power to get what you want. Many systems are trying to obtain exclusivity were you need to essentially own there to stay there. More and more we’re seeing systems move towards inventory control and exclusivity.

Also keep in mind that some systems, like Hyatt for example, make it very difficult to trade in from the outside. I wonder if DVC will have a similar arrangement thru II? It might be a good idea to sit tight for a year or two to see how this all shakes out. If this is a power play by DVC to lock out exchangers from cheaper systems, you might end up with something you don’t want that will never get you where you want to be.

 

[lynne]

With DVC moving from RCI to II I'm in need of getting an II property to trade into II for DVC. Looking to spend as little as I can and don't really care where the home resort is as I'll likely never stay there. Can someone give me some resorts to check out and maybe an idea of the what to look for? What big timeshare companies use II? (Marriott, etc?). Thanks!!

We own at Pacific Grove Plaza on the Monterey Peninsula in California. It is a very small resort (16 units total). They trade with both II and RCI but we cannot tell you about trading power since we either use or rent our unit. They do have some very reasonable resales and our maintenance fees are manageable.

 

[CPNY]

With DVC moving from RCI to II I'm in need of getting an II property to trade into II for DVC. Looking to spend as little as I can and don't really care where the home resort is as I'll likely never stay there. Can someone give me some resorts to check out and maybe an idea of the what to look for? What big timeshare companies use II? (Marriott, etc?). Thanks!!

I’d hold off. II isn’t as transparent as RCI. You may never see DVC available for exchange. Just like it’s nearly impossible to see WSJ or HRA in II now. I expect this agreement will only benefit DVC owners.

 

[dougp26364]

I’d hold off. II isn’t as transparent as RCI. You may never see DVC available for exchange. Just like it’s nearly impossible to see WSJ or HRA in II now. I expect this agreement will only benefit DVC owners.

keep in mind, just because you can’t see it online for an instant exchange doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be available using an OGS. There are many, many resorts you’ll rarely or never see online for instant exchanges. Even more where all you’ll see are studio units. Remember, on,I expect availability is everything that’s past thru all the OGS requests first or, the leftovers.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Not sure I would be buying just yet, but some of the resorts mentioned in the other DVC/II thread is Sheraton Desert Oasis and Sheraton Broadway Plantation. They both have reasonable fees and trade well. Who knows though how they will trade in II.

There are not as many of those on ebay as there used to be. I was looking to pick up more weeks and hardly saw a thing for either resort. Vistana started taking back weeks that owners don't want.

 

[mdurette]

I would also take a wake and see approach on buying something until we see what kind of inventory II has available to trade into DVC.

With that said, I am happy with my KingsCreek, Williamsburg 3BR LO. If I reserve and deposit the a high demand week it has very good TP with II. It is also dual affiliated

 

[ocdb8r]

I agree with others that a wait and see approach is likely best.

I am more optimistic that DVC trades will be available (I have yet to understand why people think trades will be more difficult in II than they were in RCI....especially considering RCI has nearly double the membership base AND doesn't police re-rental of trades as well as II does) BUT we have no idea what level of resort will be required to get into DVC nor if perhaps they will create any sort of "preferential" agreements for trading into DVC (the announcement mentions a "curated" set of resorts for DVC members...and even in RCI certain resorts received preferential access to DVC inventory).

 

[HenryT]

Trades in II for DVC will be more difficult than in RCI because II is a weeks based system while RCI is a points/TPI based system.

If you had enough points/TPIs in RCI (by combining if necessary) you could get DVC if there were any available. You can't combine weeks in II to gain a higher power so you are left with trying to figure out what resorts have enough power to get DVC when II's power function is unknown.

 

[CPNY]

keep in mind, just because you can’t see it online for an instant exchange doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be available using an OGS. There are many, many resorts you’ll rarely or never see online for instant exchanges. Even more where all you’ll see are studio units. Remember, on,I expect availability is everything that’s past thru all the OGS requests first or, the leftovers.

Great point, I hardly ever use OGS with II

 

[escanoe]

Trades in II for DVC will be more difficult than in RCI because II is a weeks based system while RCI is a points/TPI based system.

If you had enough points/TPIs in RCI (by combining if necessary) you could get DVC if there were any available. You can't combine weeks in II to gain a higher power so you are left with trying to figure out what resorts have enough power to get DVC when II's power function is unknown.

What is easier for some may be harder for others or "one man's loss is another's gain." Since there is no way to combine trading power in II, seems to me there is less opportunity for DVC properties to demand higher trading power for exchanges. I do not believe there will be enough people with 2 BR peek week Marriot's willing and able to use their units (trading power) to pull down all the DVC inventory.

Illustration: If you were combining poorly trading units to draw down DVC inventory in RCI ... that is not a strategy that will typically work in II. If you have a middle of the road to good 2BR trader, it may actually be easier (cost less trading power) to draw a 1BR DVC unit in II than it did in RCI.

These are theories. Time will tell what happens.

 

[CPNY]

I agree with others that a wait and see approach is likely best.

I am more optimistic that DVC trades will be available (I have yet to understand why people think trades will be more difficult in II than they were in RCI....especially considering RCI has nearly double the membership base AND doesn't police re-rental of trades as well as II does) BUT we have no idea what level of resort will be required to get into DVC nor if perhaps they will create any sort of "preferential" agreements for trading into DVC (the announcement mentions a "curated" set of resorts for DVC members...and even in RCI certain resorts received preferential access to DVC inventory).

I agree, I can see higher end resorts getting preferential access to DVC trades. I can see MVW owners receiving preferential Similar to how Wyndham does now.

 

[HenryT]

What is easier for some may be harder for others or "one man's loss is another's gain." Since there is no way to combine trading power in II, seems to me there is less opportunity for DVC properties to demand higher trading power for exchanges. I do not believe there will be enough people with 2 BR peek week Marriot's willing and able to use their units (trading power) to pull down all the DVC inventory.

Illustration: If you were combining poorly trading units to draw down DVC inventory in RCI ... that is not a strategy that will typically work in II. If you have a middle of the road to good 2BR trader, it may actually be easier (cost less trading power) to draw a 1BR DVC unit in II than it did in RCI.

These are theories. Time will tell what happens.

Everything you said is true but I think there are many more people with low-value weeks who want to trade into DVC than there are people with high-value weeks who want to trade into DVC. The timeshare world is awash with people who want to get more for less (me included).

So yes, owners with high-value weeks will find it easier to get DVC but net-net there will be more losers than winners I think.

 

[CPNY]

Everything you said is true but I think there are many more people with low-value weeks who want to trade into DVC than there are people with high-value weeks who want to trade into DVC. The timeshare world is awash with people who want to get more for less (me included).

So yes, owners with high-value weeks will find it easier to get DVC but net-net there will be more losers than winners I think.

Will those high-value weeks want to trade into DVC? I for one would have a hard time giving up a mandatory star option week for a DVC unit. If I do Disney, I would be quite content with staying offsite as I am currently. The Sheraton vistana resort is working out perfectly. Even when I stayed on-site, I still rented a car and drove to the parks or took an Uber. The nicest thing about staying on-site was only having to carry my magic band. It allowed me to make all purchases easily. Now that they added your park ticket to the Apple Watch and using Apple Pay, the magic band is obsolete.

I picked up an RCI points account to trade into DVC. I must have had extremely high hopes for AKL because I was sort of disappointed in the room. The kitchen wasn’t as equipped as Marriott. I went from the Marriott grand vista to the AKL and I missed the GV room a lot.

 

[travelhacker]

Will those high-value weeks want to trade into DVC? I for one would have a hard time giving up a mandatory star option week for a DVC unit. If I do Disney, I would be quite content with staying offsite as I am currently. The Sheraton vistana resort is working out perfectly. Even when I stayed on-site, I still rented a car and drove to the parks or took an Uber. The nicest thing about staying on-site was only having to carry my magic band. It allowed me to make all purchases easily. Now that they added your park ticket to the Apple Watch and using Apple Pay, the magic band is obsolete.

I picked up an RCI points account to trade into DVC. I must have had extremely high hopes for AKL because I was sort of disappointed in the room. The kitchen wasn’t as equipped as Marriott. I went from the Marriott grand vista to the AKL and I missed the GV room a lot.

I had the same experience. If Animal Kingdom Lodge wasn't at Disney World, didn't have the theming, and didn't have the Savannah I'd think I was in a crappy timeshare.

However, it was at Disney World, the theming was fun, and it was magical waking up to see animals.

Disney World has gotten VERY expensive for our family (We're in it about $3500 just on tickets for our family for a week). We will probably go once every 3-4 years and I'll try to stay on site if possible.

We go to Florida at least once per year, and we really enjoy staying at the Marriott's which I find much nicer and a lot more comfortable for our family.

 

[CPNY]

I had the same experience. If Animal Kingdom Lodge wasn't at Disney World, didn't have the theming, and didn't have the Savannah I'd think I was in a crappy timeshare.

However, it was at Disney World, the theming was fun, and it was magical waking up to see animals.

Disney World has gotten VERY expensive for our family (We're in it about $3500 just on tickets for our family for a week). We will probably go once every 3-4 years and I'll try to stay on site if possible.

We go to Florida at least once per year, and we really enjoy staying at the Marriott's which I find much nicer and a lot more comfortable for our family.

You’ll find as your kids get older that universal will become more appealing to them. You’ll most likely be doing half Disney, half universal trips in which case a Marriott is a better fit. Not just because of the size of the rooms but the driving distance to both parks.

 

[tgenerso]

Thanks for the thoughts here, I've been debating on getting an II tradeable resort for some time as I've read the resort options are nicer overall. The DVC deal just kind of seals the deal as DVC was the only thing swaying me to RCI. Do have a few questions about II though:

-If I get a 2 bedroom unit for 1 week, can I trade that in for 2, 1 bedroom units?
-If I trade a week for a property with less trading value than mine, do I keep the difference to use elsewhere?

 

[tgenerso]

sorry another question..is Vistana and Marriott the same thing?

 

[CPNY]

Thanks for the thoughts here, I've been debating on getting an II tradeable resort for some time as I've read the resort options are nicer overall. The DVC deal just kind of seals the deal as DVC was the only thing swaying me to RCI. Do have a few questions about II though:

-If I get a 2 bedroom unit for 1 week, can I trade that in for 2, 1 bedroom units?
-If I trade a week for a property with less trading value than mine, do I keep the difference to use elsewhere?

1. if you pick up a lockoff, and only if that lockoff splits into two 1 bedroom units. The vistana lockoffs will. Most Marriott lockoff units will split into a one bedroom and a studio. You’ll have to pay a fee to split, then another fee to upgrade the studio.

2. No that’s only in RCI points and TPU. Interval is just that, an interval. Full week for full week. So Exchange wisely

 

[needvaca]

-If I get a 2 bedroom unit for 1 week, can I trade that in for 2, 1 bedroom units?
-If I trade a week for a property with less trading value than mine, do I keep the difference to use elsewhere?

-If I get a 2 bedroom unit for 1 week, can I trade that in for 2, 1 bedroom units? Only if it a 2 BR LOCKOFF
-If I trade a week for a property with less trading value than mine, do I keep the difference to use elsewhere? Nope, it's week for week.
Vistana is Westin and Sheraton. Marriott is a different network. but they are planning some kind of system merger, but only for developer purchases (that's the rumor)

 

[CPNY]

sorry another question..is Vistana and Marriott the same thing?

Yes and no. Marriott acquired vistana (Sheraton and Westin resorts). They still operate differently, however, that may change in 2022. Nothing has been announced.

 

[tgenerso]

Thanks for all the help here guys!

As usual this place is of great help so just a bit more and I'll leave everyone alone. Would like a 2 bedroom LO that is a good trader in II, obviously lowest cost possible. Someone threw out:

Sheraton Desert Oasis
Sheraton Broadway Plantation

Any others?

 

[chellej]

Not sure what it will look like this time but when DVC was with interval before, I traded into Old Key west seven times and Sarasota springs once in the period of 2003-2005. This was using standard resorts ( Timbers at Island Park, foxrun, Landing @ 7 coves) and several times with AC's. Also, these were with available inventory and not OGS.

I would recommend you look at dual affiliated resorts and frankly I would wait and see what people report before diving in . Things change and what might have worked before will not now. Foxrun used to be an excellent trader in II but don't know now. The 3 I mentioned all are independent, dual affiliated and have relatively low maintenance fees, however, you do not get any preference like the Marriotts or sheratons.