MVCI System Wide Points System ?

[abdibile]

We used our Phuket week in February this year. We met with our sales rep. They are no longer selling weeks in Phuket. Instead, they are selling qtys of points that are used in the Asia Club. This includes Hawaii. Each week is assigned a point value based on location, unit size and time of year. We were definatley told it would expand.

Is there a points chart of this Asian club available somewhere?

A lot of thoughts have been expressed on this threads, but have more people been told something about going to points in owner updates?

 

[Mr. Vker]

Interesting as rumors may start become reality real soon. Isn't the Grand Chateau part of the "Asia Club" too? I thought that's what they told us when we took an update in Las Vegas?

Here is a current list of all Asia Club resorts,

Marriott’s Mai Khao Beach
Marriott's Ko Olina Beach Club
Marriott's Waiohai Beach Club
Marriott's Grand Chateau
Marriott's Phuket Beach Club
Marriott's Bangkok Vacation Apartments at the Empire Place

 

[Mr. Vker]

Is there a points chart of this Asian club available somewhere?

A lot of thoughts have been expressed on this threads, but have more people been told something about going to points in owner updates?

I cannot find a chart (which we did get to see in Phuket),

This link talks specifically about it being a point system.

http://www.marriottvillas.com/asiapac/default.jsp Click on "Discover Asia Pacific Club"

I found something that said "Asia Pacific club is not available to US residents". I do not believe that is the case anymore. They were going to sell to us if we wanted in. I have lived in Maryland my whole life!

 

[Delicate Arch]

If you click through and look at the MCVI's that are available, the picture of the Waiohai is actually the Kauai Beach Club. Sloppy work.

Also, when we did the tour at Ko Olina last month our sales person knew nothing about this although Ko Olina is listed as one of the resorts for Asia exchange.

 

[ondeadlin]

Talked to a rep at Maui Ocean Club yesterday, one of their top people.

She said she believes the Asian points option is leading to a lot of rumors/misinformation/half information. FWIW, she doesn't believe Marriott is anywhere near implementing an internal, points-based system, at least in the short term. Whether she's right or wrong, it was a strongly held opinion.

 

[taffy19]

Did you look further down the page?

If you click through and look at the MCVI's that are available, the picture of the Waiohai is actually the Kauai Beach Club. Sloppy work.

Also, when we did the tour at Ko Olina last month our sales person knew nothing about this although Ko Olina is listed as one of the resorts for Asia exchange.

If you did, you would have seen this sentence in that same web page:

"Exchange your points for other exciting resort destinations"​

It looks to me that the Asia Club already can exchange into all resorts of the MVC so there should be a point allocation already in place.

 

[dioxide45]

If you did, you would have seen this sentence in that same web page:

"Exchange your points for other exciting resort destinations"​

It looks to me that the Asia Club already can exchange into all resorts of the MVC so there should be a point allocation already in place.

Perhaps you are just exchanging your points by depositing a week in to II. Marriott selects the week for you to deposit.

There is no saying what Marriott would do. They could go the point route or a system similar to the Florida Club.

 

[californiagirl]

In the timeshare systems that use points for exchange, (Starwood, Hilton etc.) can you convert their "rewards" points to be used together with the timeshare/vacation club week points?

For instance: if Marriott went to the same system as Starwood, etc.; if I am short of points needed for an exchange to a resort that has a higher point value, could I add my Marriott Rewards points to the account to make up the difference?

 

[linsj]

In the timeshare systems that use points for exchange, (Starwood, Hilton etc.) can you convert their "rewards" points to be used together with the timeshare/vacation club week points?

For instance: if Marriott went to the same system as Starwood, etc.; if I am short of points needed for an exchange to a resort that has a higher point value, could I add my Marriott Rewards points to the account to make up the difference?

No, you can't mix hotel and timeshare points. With Hilton, you can borrow points (for free) from the next year if you don't have enough. I don't know if that's true with Starwood or not.

 

[keebler71]

Hello everyone,

The rep also stated that Marriott was going to handle all of their internal trades (via the points system) and use II for only non Marriott trades when this points conversion takes place in 18 months.

Ok... so we just came back from HI and attended a presentation after which we purchased a unit but only after I was assured that we could back out within 7 days as I wanted to check out the resale market. Sure enough, we get back to the states and I find many comparable units for a fraction of the price. I call the salesperson back to discuss it further and ask him for reasons why I shouldn't buy a resale instead. He is very straight forward and reminds me about ROFR (which I already knew) but then he tells me something that he hadn't mentioned in the presentation nor had I ever heard (and my family has owned time shares since 1992)...

He tells me that within 18 months Marriott will be transitioning to an internal trading system similar to the "Asia Club" which is a pilot version of the program. He then tells me that if we buy on the resale market we will not be able to trade in Marriott's internal network but could still use II for trades. Given that most trades are Marriott to Marriott, I have to agree that this will make it much harder to trade to another Marriott as it will remove most of the direct-purchased Marriott units from the II tradespace.

Now, I know he is a salesperson and it's his job to try to keep us as a buyer, but what do you think about this? Would resales purchased prior to this announcement be grandfathered in? His telling me this actually makes we want to back out even more, simply due to the uncertainties of buying into a system which may be about to change dramatically.

Curious as to everyone's thoughts... thanks!

 

[keebler71]

[Message deleted. I moved this message from another thread because it duplicated the post immeditately above. Duplicate or similar posts are not permitted on TUG. I have also moved the responses to this post to this thread. Dave M, BBS Moderator]

 

[thinze3]

For starters, Welcome to Tug!

Let me remind you that Hawaii is the best property to buy resale because you will probably never trade your Hawaii unit for Marriott Rewards Points, and those points are the ONLY difference between buying resale and directly from Marriott.

This issue of Marriott's proposed changes to an internal trading system is the most talked about issue on the Marriott boards (along with ROFR). Look at this assortment of Marriott threads and two of the top three are about this issue.

Truth is, you should rescind your purchase and read hear on tug for a few weeks before making a purchase. I assure you we can help you make a more informed decision.

Terry

 

[Lawlar]

... so we just came back from HI and attended a presentation after which we purchased a unit but only after I was assured that we could back out within 7 days as I wanted to check out the resale market. Sure enough, we get back to the states and I find many comparable units for a fraction of the price.

I suggest you rescind before your seven days expires. The sales reps will misrepresent the facts to you in an effort to keep you from rescinding.

After you rescind you can read the TUG postings and learn how to buy resale (and the many advantages of not buying at all, but renting instead).

The topic of whether Marriott will set up its own internal trading system has been discussed a lot on TUG. The consesus is that if it happens those that bought previously, even by resale, will probably be grandfathered in. For now, it seems that this is a scare tactic used by the sales reps that may have no basis in fact.

Triple check everything the Marriott rep told you. Read the documents they gave you carefully. Understand that it can be difficult to get the dates you want when you make your reservations (those who purchase multiple units are given the right to select first) and the Maintenance fees increase every year (you can often rent for less than the yearly maintenance fees).

Good luck.

 

[rsackett]

For starters, Welcome to Tug!
...Truth is, you should rescind your purchase and read hear on tug for a few weeks before making a purchase. I assure you we can help you make a more informed decision.

Terry

Thi is VERY good advice!!!


Ray

 

[icydog]

I'm posting to this thread so I can keep track of it. This is a very informative thread. Thanks to all the posters.

 

[taffy19]

I agree. I have posted a few times that I was temporarily insane when I did this. No one to blame but myself (not even my wife who wouldn't let me send in the recission notice after I prepared it - If she and the grandkid want to stay in the TS on Maui I guess I owe it to them even if I feel a bit stupid for having done so.]

Joe: Thank you for your calculations. I'm still trying to get those figures to make sense (I haven't had my coffee yet).

I think the best argument in favor of buying from Marriott is for someone who is 30 (I'm 59) who has a high income and lots of assets and wants to take her family to Maui every year and actually will do so. Then, if money isn't an issue, the family trips might make sense. I am skeptical that the purchase can be justified by the numbers.

I agree with your statement here as that is the mistake we also made but so long we can go there every year, the purchase gets cheaper overall as you would have spent big dollars to stay in a similar resort for the same amount of days. You also can rent it and get some of your money back that way, if you have to.

I wonder how long it will take you to sell it but I still believe that the cycle will turn around and beach front property will go up again and beach front rentals too at the major hotel resorts. I talked to the airlines when we booked our flights and they told me that they were still busy booking flights to Maui at that time of the year.

Many people buy timeshares with the intention to pass it on to their children so they can continue the wonderful vacations they are accustomed to and have their kids enjoy it too. Not a bad concept really so your wife may be right.

 

[inishbofin]

Resind and learn

If I knew then (when I bought my first TS) what I know now (thanks to TUGS). We would not have paid full price. After getting a TUG education we bought the next two TS's as resales.

Resind and learn; then buy is the way to go.

 

[keebler71]

Thanks for the advice everyone. We did indeed rescind. I'll learn from the forums as I search the resale market...