MLB Playoffs 2015

[Ironwood]

Richard, after what had transpired an inning before it was an exclamation point to cap the series!

 

[MULTIZ321]

Richard, after what had transpired an inning before it was an exclamation point to cap the series!

I know and I agree. However, many in the baseball world do not share our opinion.


Richard

 

[DeniseM]

In the US, baseball has very traditional and conservative "unwritten rules," for what is appropriate conduct. These rules of conduct are FAR more conservative than football or basketball.

The biggies: Don't show off. Don't show up the other team.

In other countries (primarily Latin countries) where baseball is popular, enthusiastic celebrations are the norm.

When Latin players come to play in the Us (or Canada) there is a cultural clash regarding the "unwritten rules," of baseball.

As the old school American players age, and get out of baseball, and more and more Latin players join the MLB, I suspect this to gradually loosen up over time.

 

[Ironwood]

In the US, baseball has very traditional and conservative "unwritten rules," for what is appropriate conduct. These rules of conduct are FAR more conservative than football or basketball.

The biggies: Don't show off. Don't show up the other team.

In other countries (primarily Latin countries) where baseball is popular, enthusiastic celebrations are the norm.

When Latin players come to play in the Us (or Canada) there is a cultural clash regarding the "unwritten rules," of baseball.

As the old school American players age, and get out of baseball, and more and more Latin players join the MLB, I suspect this to gradually loosen up over time.

DeniseM.....I know, I know all that! And yes, we know how to catch a baseball in Canada. Personally I don't like excessive celebrations or in your face stuff. Why don't we all just look forward to the rest of the post season...I think there is a lot more to come!

 

[DeniseM]

Why don't we all just look forward to the rest of the post season...I think there is a lot more to come!

I am looking forward to it, but talking about it is half the fun of being a sports fan!

 

[DavidnRobin]

The baseball instant replay is a benefit to the game - also the ability to overturn bad calls.

I was at a Giants game where the 1st baseman didn't have possession of the ball and the 1st base umpire called the runner out based on the forced play (the ball was rolling on the ground in clear view of everyone). As it was a senior umpire at 1st base, the junior umpires did nothing to correct the ruling even though it was a clear mistake.
Roger (HummBaby) Craig and the base runner (Robby Thompson) were thrown out of the game for arguing an incredibly bad call (worse I have ever seen).

Glad to see instant replay and over turning bad calls in Baseball - I hope they start using computerized strike zones as well (blasphemy!) - too much HomePlate umpire bias for a crucial calls. (see Cowboy Joe West...)
we shall see what the future brings.

They got the call right in Toronto. Baseball is interesting in that there is always something that you had never seen before even after seeing 1000s of games - as in this case. I thought the ball was dead, but the batter was in the box and did not intentionally block the catchers throw back to the pitcher - that is the rule.

As to the flipping of the bat in that manner... he is lucky the series ended. I disagree that this will become common place. Why? because the batter has to stand in the box while the pitcher pitches the ball at 90+ mph by his head - there have been Latin players in the leagues for years and are well aware of the unwritten rules. He just got caught up in the moment.

As to people throwing stuff onto the field... typical - the few ruin it for the many. I hear the guy who hit the kid was arrested.

next year is an even year... Go Giants!
(and... F the Dodgers)

 

[Ironwood]

I am looking forward to it, but talking about it is half the fun of being a sports fan!

I'm with ya there!

 

[BevL]

and here's more info on Jose Bautista's Celebration After a Series-Winning Home Run is Causing a Fire-Storm in Baseball- by Emmett Knowlton/ Yahoo! Sports/ Finance/ yahoo.com

"With two runners on and the fifth and deciding game of the American League Division Series tied in the bottom of the seventh inning, Jose Bautista crushed a Sam Dyson pitch into the upper deck of the Rogers Center to give the Jays a 6-3 lead.

In a postseason that's already had its fair share of absolutely monstrous home runs (looking at you, Yoenis Cespedes), none has been quite as important as Bautista's on Wednesday night. Nor has any single home run caused so much outrage.

After Bautista went yard, he unleashed arguably the most triumphant bat flip you'll ever see. Take a look for yourself:...

...Unsurprisingly, a celebration like this caused serious outrage around the baseball world, as many players and spectators felt that Bautista's bat flip was unnecessary and unclassy...."


Richard

I love Bautista's quote after being asked if he had any response to Dyson's blethering about the bat throw - "Do you have a response?" "No."

Dyson needs to call the wah-mbulance - understandable he's not happy about the outcome of the game but really?

And here's the opposing point of view

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joey-bautista-bat-flip-legend_561f02ffe4b050c6c4a44e25


On the West Coast, it's all everybody is talking about today - "Did you see the game? Did you see the highlights?" We may be divided about our hockey and football - CFL and NFL, but we only have one MLB team up here, so it's a lot of fun.

 

[am1]

"Jose Bautista needs to respect the game more" -said some loser nobody remembers

Has anyone hit more homers then Jose in the last 5 years? The bat flip said it all and the best way to silence Texas and make them remember the 3 errors in a row they made prior.

Lets not stereotype Latin players or people here now.

 

[BevL]

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Lets not stereotype Latin players or people here now.

Whoa, did I miss something? With the greatest of respect, that is a complete 180 turn from the tone of this thread.

It's baseball, it's fun, it's not politics, right? Sorry, let's just have a little fall-time distraction.

 

[dioxide45]

and here's more info on Jose Bautista's Celebration After a Series-Winning Home Run is Causing a Fire-Storm in Baseball- by Emmett Knowlton/ Yahoo! Sports/ Finance/ yahoo.com

"With two runners on and the fifth and deciding game of the American League Division Series tied in the bottom of the seventh inning, Jose Bautista crushed a Sam Dyson pitch into the upper deck of the Rogers Center to give the Jays a 6-3 lead.

In a postseason that's already had its fair share of absolutely monstrous home runs (looking at you, Yoenis Cespedes), none has been quite as important as Bautista's on Wednesday night. Nor has any single home run caused so much outrage.

After Bautista went yard, he unleashed arguably the most triumphant bat flip you'll ever see. Take a look for yourself:...

...Unsurprisingly, a celebration like this caused serious outrage around the baseball world, as many players and spectators felt that Bautista's bat flip was unnecessary and unclassy...."


Richard

I find it interesting that in this article that they call out Joe Carter's bias, but not any bias of Curt Shilling

Curt Schilling, on ESPN afterward, said he understood Bautista's emotion but also said he hoped Bautista would be ready to get hit next season when the two teams faced each other.
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Former Blue Jay Joe Carter seemed to have the most reasonable (if also biased) stance on the whole matter.

Sure, Joe played for Toronto and hit the home run to win the World Series over the Phillies, the team that Curt was playing for at the time. Not only was Curt a member of that 1993 Phillies team, he was also a pitcher, so I am sure he has a bias also. I have seen some of his commentary before some of the games on ESPN and I get the impression he isn't a Toronto fan, understandably so.

 

[am1]

Whoa, did I miss something? With the greatest of respect, that is a complete 180 turn from the tone of this thread.

It's baseball, it's fun, it's not politics, right? Sorry, let's just have a little fall-time distraction.

It seems generalizing a nationality, race, group of people etc is considered unacceptable even if it to explain what someone is asking. Latin people respect the game of baseball. Maybe we live in a too PC world?

 

[DeniseM]

am1 -

I have no dog in this fight, and I like Joey Bats, but if you think he has universal support, you are only listening to Toronto fans.

- Actually, the two camps are pretty evenly divided on the Joey Bats bat flip. Obviously, his fans are going to support him, but across baseball there is no consensus on the bat flip issue. It's certainly not just "one loser," who thinks it was over the top.

- If you read or listened to the discussions in the media the last couple of days, this was a universal theme: There are a well-known cultural differences in the way baseball is played in Latin American countries and in the US and Canada. There is nothing disrespectful in talking about it.

-Question: On average, how many baseball games did you watch per week over the entire season?

 

[billymach4]

NLDS

It's a nail biter in LA! Should the Mets win I will be at at the home games this weekend!

 

[am1]

am1 -

I have no dog in this fight, and I like Joey Bats, but if you think he has universal support, you are only listening to Toronto fans.

- Actually, the two camps are pretty evenly divided on the Joey Bats bat flip. Obviously, his fans are going to support him, but across baseball there is no consensus on the bat flip issue. It's certainly not just "one loser," who thinks it was over the top.

- If you read or listened to the discussions in the media the last couple of days, this was a universal theme: There are a well-known cultural differences in the way baseball is played in Latin American countries and in the US and Canada. There is nothing disrespectful in talking about it.

-Question: On average, how many baseball games did you watch per week over the entire season?

It could be considered offensive to some. True or not. To me not really a big deal but I have thick skin on these kind of things.

A bunch of losers that nobody remembers then? Its a joke.

It has been about 20 years since I started watching the Jays as much as I have this year. A lot less games then I would like. It is not easy with two kids. I do not live in the home market. I prefer college football as a sport. I do follow the Blue Jays every day in the Toronto Star.

I do try to go see games of the local team when I can.

May I ask why you are asking?

Where else would a city celebrate like this:

https://www.facebook.com/david.l.lindsay.3/videos/10206787866669331/?fref=nf

 

[DeniseM]

Based on some of your comments about the rules, I wondered how closely you followed baseball.

 

[am1]

Based on some of your comments about the rules, I wondered how closely you followed baseball.

You are the one who said talking about it is half the fun.

But really not sure how people could not like Jose Bautista. He is a hard working, consistent, team player. Then lets his bat do the talking.

 

[billymach4]

It's a nail biter in LA! Should the Mets win I will be at at the home games this weekend!

Only 3 more outs to go!

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

Blue Jay Fans

Hey Denise - This is tongue in cheek - but should it be Toronto fans ( those who live there) or Toronto's fans? I am hearing ( Fan 590) that the peak TV numbers for all 6 Canadian time zones was 11.5 million in a population of 35 million.
My guess is that (almost) all of them loved the bat flip - including those who saw it 1/2 an hour earlier in Newfoundland- and don't much like Toronto ( the city )

For a further view of Canadian sport cultural views -google -Bobby Clarke-1972 slash or ask the USSR teammates of Valery Kharlamov .

It will be interesting to see how many babies born in Canada next year are named Jose

GO BLUE JAYS

 

[billymach4]

Only 3 more outs to go!

1 more out!

 

[billymach4]

1 more out!

See you at the GAME!

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

Mets beat Dodgers - final

Mets - blue & orange
Cubs - blue
Royals - light blue
Blue Jays - blue

Is this a pattern or an MLB /umpire conspiracy ?

 

[DeniseM]

Hey Denise - This is tongue in cheek - but should it be Toronto fans ( those who live there) or Toronto's fans? I am hearing ( Fan 590) that the peak TV numbers for all 6 Canadian time zones was 11.5 million in a population of 35 million.
My guess is that (almost) all of them loved the bat flip - including those who saw it 1/2 an hour earlier in Newfoundland- and don't much like Toronto ( the city )

For a further view of Canadian sport cultural views -google -Bobby Clarke-1972 slash or ask the USSR teammates of Valery Kharlamov .

It will be interesting to see how many babies born in Canada next year are named Jose

GO BLUE JAYS

By "Toronto Fans," I mean anyone who is a fan of the Blue Jays, no matter where they are.

Like I said - I like Joey Bats, myself!

 

[joewillie12]

See you at the GAME!

Citi will be rockin!
Lets Go Mets!

 

[pedro47]

How about those the new amazing Mets over the Dodgers last night..