Marriott Vacation Club: Return on Investment in 19 years?

[Hankmoon]

My best timeshares are not high end name brands but they are still very nicely done, clean and great quality and are in the best locations, prime time. Renting at them during the times I own would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

Yes Panina, this is another good reason to own a timeshare vs renting. That is why it is very hard to do a break even analysis. There are many intangible reasons for owning. Everyone has their own individual reasons, lifestyles and preferences.

 

[Panina]

Yes Panina, this is another good reason to own a timeshare vs renting. That is why it is very hard to do a break even analysis. There are many intangible reasons for owning. Everyone has their own individual reasons, lifestyles and preferences.

You said it best, agree totally with you.

 

[Hankmoon]

What time frames can you get a 2br at westin kaanapali or north for $899 a week? What about time frames for atlantis at Harborside? How far out can you get a unit? Can you call and see what is available for next july at westin kaanapali? Just want to get an idea of availability and dates to book if you can just call and make reservations so easily at westins.

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SFX is not a vacation club, as you know. Vidanta has a special arrangement with SFX where they award Vida weeks so you do not need to exchange your weeks. However, you still need to put in a request for what you want and see if you get it. If you get it, it is a great deal. SFX says Vida weeks and exchanges have the same priority in their system. So just like with exchanges, you need to make the request as far out as possible and be flexible with dates. Even with vacation clubs, it is always better to call as early in advance as possible to get the dates and room type you want but it is certainly easier than relying 100% on a trader for exchanging a timeshare week through an exchange company. Also, owners always get priority in room category and views. Between my 2 vacation clubs, I can also join RCI and II but I don't like RCI so I will let that one lapse when the free membership expires. I have not yet decided if I want II or not because with II, I would need to exchange weeks. Also, II and SFX have a lot of duplicate inventory so not sure if it is worth joining II if the Vida weeks work out well since Vida weeks are cheaper than trading on II both in terms of fees and the cost per week.

 

[Colt Seavers]

What time frames can you get a 2br at westin kaanapali or north for $899 a week? What about time frames for atlantis at Harborside? How far out can you get a unit? Can you call and see what is available for next july at westin kaanapali? Just want to get an idea of availability and dates to book if you can just call and make reservations so easily at westins.

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I was curious about this too, as it sounds basically like something you would only hear at a presentation. Does anyone have any actual examples of booking one of these Marriott/Westin deals or is it just a sales pitch? I am also curious how much Marriott inventory even gets into SFX now that Marriott in inextricably linked with Interval.

 

[Hankmoon]

I was curious about this too, as it sounds basically like something you would only hear at a presentation. Does anyone have any actual examples of booking one of these Marriott/Westin deals or is it just a sales pitch? I am also curious how much Marriott inventory even gets into SFX now that Marriott in inextricably linked with Interval.

I was talking to SFX, not the TS sales people about availability. It just depends on how much inventory SFX gets. But I would rather buy a week than exchange a week. Either way, you need to go through the same process of putting in a request and waiting. So we should be asking the SFX members how hard it is to get Marriott and Westin inventory. SFX says exchanges and buying weeks are equivalent in their system.

 

[dagger1]

What time frames can you get a 2br at westin kaanapali or north for $899 a week? What about time frames for atlantis at Harborside? How far out can you get a unit? Can you call and see what is available for next july at westin kaanapali? Just want to get an idea of availability and dates to book if you can just call and make reservations so easily at

Some of the destinations I am able to enjoy with my vacation clubs are not available for rent on TUG and Redweek and VRBO. For example, Pueblo Bonito Pacifica Adults Only (not the timeshare version) and Royal Hideaway Adults Only. I was able to book both of these for just the cost of the food - about $1200 to $1500 for the week for 2 adults. We are going to PBP for Christmas, and on Expedia, the ocean view suite is at least $6000 for the week. It is a AAA 4 Diamond resort. Royal Hideaway is a leading hotel of the world. We are going at the end of January and on Expedia it is a minimum of $5000+ for that week for the worst room. I am hoping we get something better than the worst room since we are a member of the vacation club that owns Royal Hideaway. So being a vacation club member can actually be beneficial financially if you stay at high end resorts that can't be rented any other way. I am also able to rent Marriotts and Westins for $699 for 1 bedrooms and $899 for 2 bedrooms without exchanging through my Vida weeks on SFX. I prefer to never exchange my Grand Luxxe weeks. For me renting or exchanging weeks to stay elsewhere is too much work. I much prefer to call the vacation club and make a reservation. I calculate breakeven based on how much I save between what I pay to stay somewhere vs what retail costs since I stay places that are hard to rent any other way and/or I can get the Marriotts and Westins in Hawaii and elsewhere well below the cost of maintenance fees and rental prices on TUG and elsewhere.

Could you let me know what vacation club offers 2 BR Westins/Marriotts for $899/week. I am very interested in this because the MF's for these units in Hawaii are $2K plus. If this is an annual perk on top of the other club benefits, it's a fantastic deal!!!

 

[frank808]

I was curious about this too, as it sounds basically like something you would only hear at a presentation. Does anyone have any actual examples of booking one of these Marriott/Westin deals or is it just a sales pitch? I am also curious how much Marriott inventory even gets into SFX now that Marriott in inextricably linked with Interval.

It will be next to impossible to get units from SFX at kaa, kan and mko for $699 and $899. It is exchange company trying to get you to pay their annual fees. I have had no luck with sfx a few years ago. Gave them a couple hgvc lagoon units for exchange and got no exchanges for it. Was told that the units i wanted in hawaii were possible to get me to deposit the lagoon units. My units did not hit for anything i asked for in hawaii. Which were westin and marriott units. They expired with no matches. What a waste for me to deposit prime weeks with SFX.

It is a sales talk to tell you your vacation club CAN get you units and list these awesome places at such great rates to buy into their vacation club. Then the reality is that it would be next to impossible to get these units.

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[Hankmoon]

Could you let me know what vacation club offers 2 BR Westins/Marriotts for $899/week. I am very interested in this because the MF's for these units in Hawaii are $2K plus. If this is an annual perk on top of the other club benefits, it's a fantastic deal!!!

Maybe I will put in a request just to see if I get something. If successful, I will let Tuggers know. I am particularly interested in Squaw Valley for ski season 2019. But I may also try for Hawaii in summer 2019. Next year, we already have plans made.

 

[dagger1]

Maybe I will put in a request just to see if I get something. If successful, I will let Tuggers know. I am particularly interested in Squaw Valley for ski season 2019. But I may also try for Hawaii in summer 2019. Next year, we already have plans made.

I read a little further, I guess you meant that SFX could get us into a Marriott or Westin 2/2 for $899. I guess I will have to check them out.

 

[Hankmoon]

I read a little further, I guess you meant that SFX could get us into a Marriott or Westin 2/2 for $899. I guess I will have to check them out.

Yes, if you have the equivalent of Vida weeks. I am not sure what they call them with other timeshare companies or if you can get them if you join as a Diamond member. I just put in a request for summer 2019 for some Marriotts and Westins in Maui and Kauai but I was very specific since I have been to Hawaii so many times.

 

[Quadmaniac]

I think the biggest differential is that you COULD possibly get the weeks, but actually getting it is much different. As Marriott and Westin Kaanapali mostly trades in II, I think their availability in SFX is limited and I would say try getting them first as it sounds like a sales pitch to me as well. If it was as easy as you assume it to be, I think many more would have reported getting them from SFX

For how much you paid for the Vida weeks, I'm pretty sure we're further head buying cheap traders (for easily under $1000, sometimes $100) trading into the Marriotts and Westin with preference under II.

 

[hurnik]

I was talking to SFX, not the TS sales people about availability. It just depends on how much inventory SFX gets. But I would rather buy a week than exchange a week. Either way, you need to go through the same process of putting in a request and waiting. So we should be asking the SFX members how hard it is to get Marriott and Westin inventory. SFX says exchanges and buying weeks are equivalent in their system.

AFAIK, the only way SFX gets Marriott inventory is if someone (a Marriott owner) deposits. For that reason, I'd say it's *not* common for them to get a MOC. But I know they *have* gotten some in the past, but I'd say (gut feeling) it's maybe 1-2/year.

SFX does get some Hilton (because HGVC does have some sort of agreement with SFX), and LOTS of Vidanta ( although not as much as II apparently).

If you were flexible, you *might* get one with a 2 year search, but keep in mind your pecking order may not be as high as someone who has deposited a high value week or something.

Just saying.

Personally I like SFX and have used them successfully, but mainly for Mexico resorts.

I own HGVC, so I do not have access to II or Marriott (unfortunately).

 

[Denverken]

Referring to original post.

If you really like a place then buy there resale. Get a good deal on TUGG or Redweek or some other place. If you buy at a quality resort and reserve high demand weeks then you will be able to rent it if you don't go. I own at the Marriott Maui Ocean Club. We love the resort. We bought it resale and it has been a great "investment". When we use it we save money and can live there, bring food, etc. When we don't go I reserve it for spring break or some other high demand time (almost any week of the year in HI) and I rent it out and get much more than my fees. I actually make money with a good rate of return based on my resale purchase price. It has been great. It just takes a little bit of effort (not too much though). I'm thinking if you put this much effort into analyzing it then you must like the place a little. Or maybe you just like crunching numbers that much. Sicko! Just kidding!

Just as an example, we got pitched for the first time at Marriott Waiohai in Kauai. My wife was ready to go. I said "lets think about it". They were selling an every other year week for about $22,000 (around 2006 I think). The cheapest one listed on Redweek right now is $3,799. Both are Island view, every other year (all are 2 bedrooms there). The resort is beautiful and the fees are the same whether you bought from them or resale. So if you are even considering buying from the developer and you like the place that much then just buy resale. If you hate owning it just sell it. You won't take a bath that way. Most likely you will go a couple of times and say "man I'm smart. I pay $2100 per stay in fees and these guys are paying $5000 and they have to pay for parking!" or something like that. That's how I feel.

The best option for you may be to just rent timeshares if they are a better deal than the hotel prices wherever you are going. Stick with quality names like Marriott, Hilton, Starwood, etc. If you can rent a nice hotel room there then it is probably the right place. People like me that own timeshares and rent them out will gladly make a little money and you will still get a deal. This will help you explore more places. If you find that you love one of them then you can look at buying something, resale of course.

Good luck and happy travels!

 

[pedro47]

Why is Marriott building four (4) new hotels in Ocean City, Maryland?
Right now.

Are they going to build a timeshare resort in Ocean City, Maryland?

This could be the next Myrtle Beach and a good investment for Marriott and the timeshare industry.

 

[JIMinNC]

Why is Marriott building four (4) new hotels in Ocean City, Maryland?
Right now.

Are they going to build a timeshare resort in Ocean City, Maryland?

This could be the next Myrtle Beach and a good investment for Marriott and the timeshare industry.

Different company building the hotels. That's Marriott International doing that.