but it's never due to disrepectful behavior. She is a welcome addition to the Forum and I enjoy reading her posts.
) or who thinks I post too much. I love TUG and want to continue to post to my heart's content. But I don't want to be disrespectful when it's not warranted, and so I've asked the mods to review my posts in this thread and let me know if I've crossed TUG boundaries. Waiting on a reply ...Thanks Greg, much appreciated.
It would be foolish for me to try to say that I have never been disrespectful when posting to TUG - sometimes discussions get tense and it's only human nature to lose composure occasionally. But if anyone thinks that I intended disrespect here in this thread, I'd like to clear the air.
I thought I made it quite clear that it is my opinion that Allan Cohen is not someone whom I would choose to champion a cause and it worries me that he's set his sights on the impending spin-off. It's an opinion I formed while participating in that Aruba Ocean Club lawsuit thread, I shared it here because the opportunity presented itself (especially considering that the post immediately after his was from a TUGger who wasn't involved in the MAOC thread and had sent him an email,) but I certainly am not making demands that anyone and everyone agree with my opinion. Take it for what it is, and feel free to form your own.
To support my opinion, though, I stated two things which I consider facts and which appeared to me to follow his post naturally. Namely, he is the catalyst for exorbitant legal fees which all MAOC owners are facing, and, there were allegations in that thread that he released MAOC owners' personal contact information to others for reasons that were not related to those owners' previous contact with him. The first statement of fact is supported by this document issued by the MAOC Board which names Allan Cohen specifically; the second statement of fact is supported by this and similar posts in that MAOC thread.
Finally, I don't care about how many posts I have on TUG (other than the Upping Your Post Count Game
Now I really wouldn't mind if we all moved on and continued with trying to figure out how the many changes we're facing with our Marriott timeshares will affect us ...
Oh, and go Sox!
pondering future participation
My interest in a speedy resolution and a positive outcome for the concerned owners at AOC regards "common themes" that are of concern to all MVC owners. There are many of them including management control, governance and regulatory compliance which have already surfaced in this discussion.
What seems to be a rallying call to organize for the 'common owner good' by buying stock, monitoring regulatory compliance, and championing some form of owner representation on spinco's BoD was not even discussed for it's merits. As quoted above, I agree with the opinion that one person's leadership efforts were disparaged.
To some extent, I agree and would like to add some clarity as to why I feel that way. Based upon recent postings elsewhere*, it is very clear to me that the MVC and MVCD community is disenfranchised, unorganized and relatively powerless - except to walk away. Disparaging another member of this community only preserves that state, IMHO. Sadly, it also turns our attention away from seeking a positive outcome - together.
* Elsewhere:Not trying to put words into anyone's mouth, a positive and open-ended re-phrasing of the intent of several recent posts may offer an exit approach. There are lessons-learned from the MAOC struggle to negotiate with management, achieve transparency in governance, provide equity in owner voting rights; and rally efforts to organize owners. The lessons-learned may or may not apply to active owner involvement and support towards the successful realization of spinco.
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As a MVC owner and TUG guest, I am enthusiastic, continue to feel engaged and very open to continuing discusssion. Hopefully, vitriolic debate about what the lessons-learned are, will be fruitful. But, if disparaging and disrespectful behavior continues, it takes away from the sense of TUG as a welcoming community, undermines the value of joining, and negates the benefit of active participation.
On its face it's not a bad statement because the action supports the result. But like MALC and others have said, it's going to take a whole lot of owners purchasing a whole lot of stock to make a difference. Plus, it's one thing to speculate about when and why to make a stock purchase, it's a whole different animal to determine if such a purchase fits your individual financial picture and what you can reasonably expect afa gains and losses. Heck, I mentioned the stock in another thread for another reason just the other day (and it turns out I'd lost my mind somewhere in that thought) but I wouldn't just tell someone else to buy it. And I wouldn't accept the suggestion from anyone who has no knowledge of my financial situation.
Again, like MALC asked, is there a precedence to support this? If not, do/will the governing docs support it? If not, what's it going to take to get it? Marriott's not going to just roll over and say, "yeah, great idea, let's give seats to owners whose visions of the product may conflict with our visions for the company."
Just my opinion, but I don't see the need for such a position. Each and every one of us has a voice and the means to contact Marriott's executives and customer advocacy offices. We don't all agree on what we want and expect from our timeshares. A redundant position within the new company will not change that fact.
Again, our interests do not always align with each other's. Working together to gain the knowledge that's necessary to understand our timeshare ownerships makes perfect sense. Thinking that we can all form a unified one-voice coalition is an unrealistic expectation.
Makes perfect sense, I agree completely. That's why I'll continue to turn to TUG for the information that helps me learn, because the collection of participants here are able to contribute specific information with which they individually hold the expertise to disseminate. Many voices, including dissenting ones, make for better knowledge.
Many Tugger's anti-Marriott, I am not sure why someone would think that
You are very correct, Most people are not tuggers, sometimes to their detriment. But many Tuggers and mvci/mvcd owners are in general quite happy as well. JMO, but I think what the 'angy' Tuggers are most concerned about is that they had figured out the old system, and now the new system offers a more level playing field that is harder (not impossible) to game or effectively be "way better at" than the other owners.
The new system is here, they are selling points, they will continue to sell points and lots of them. The new spin off is going to be fine, Marriott is going to be fine, and we all would be best off figuring out how to maximize our ability to use both systems. On that point, PerryM has been right for a very long time.
There are one or two people who post here who are clearly not MVCI owners who I would class as Anti Marriott and perhaps even Anti TS.
By the same token, just because people are generally satisfied with RCI -- i.e., enough so that they remain RCI customers -- that doesn't mean they believe RCI Can Do No Wrong.
touche!!
Cmore - (same Cmore as on the II Community?) - I use MALSCREEN1 there !
