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Looking into HGVC...again

CalGalTraveler

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So I crunched some numbers. I wanted to convert what I paid in dollars to points that I would have otherwise needed.

In the last 6 months, I would have needed roughly 13,000 HGVC points to cover my 28 days of usage. Assuming it cost me about $2500 for 28 days that works out to $0.19 per point which is essentially pretty close to what some of the numbers I'm seeing in terms of what is a good mf/pt to consider in resale.

I tend to book within 30 days of travel.

So if on per point basis I'm breaking even - meaning my cost to own is the same as my cost to rent, the issues are:

1. I still have to add in the initial investment for a TS that would provide 14,000-28,000 pts (analysis is for 6 months and I am averaging out)
2. If I allocate all my available weeks to work, what other benefits remain for me other than booking with open season rates? Open season rates are higher than my current per night rate.
3. Are there special reduced rates available to owners?
4. Based on my situation, is HGVC the right fit for me?

Thanks for any further guidance.

If everything is even then you should simply rent. If there is some benefit, how about a hybrid? i.e. buy one property for 7000 points and .14 MF/point. Use open season when it is feasible for work and use the points for Hawaii or a Vegas trip during a peak time. Rent the rest.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Once you get your feet wet you can decide if you want to go deeper.
 
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If everything is even then you should simply rent. If there is some benefit, how about a hybrid? i.e. buy one property for 7000 points and .14 MF/point. Use open season when it is feasible for work and use the points for Hawaii or a Vegas trip during a peak time. Rent the rest.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Once you get your feet wet you can decide if you want to go deeper.

That is some straight-up advice from the wise! You're probably right. I'm trying to cover too many scenarios.

Lots to reflect on during Christmas week.
 

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Well....I guess I'll be the Devil's advocate here. Essentially all of the TUG posters above are being very cautious, protective and making sure you don't purchase something you'll regret etc....
I'm going to point out the other side of the argument. I CONCEDE that my esteemed TUG colleagues are all making very valuable and accurate observations.
  • If you can afford to take vacations with family/friends and use the timeshare--then it might be a good idea. If your only use is for business.....meh, not so much
  • A timeshare can be used for business lodging expense.
    • Do NOT rent any portion of the timeshare; this will significantly complicate this strategy
    • Expenses pro-rated between personal and business use (No 'lavish or extravagant' expenses)
    • exchanges are still personal use....and/or business use if conduct business at the exchanged location
    • Business use and UNUSED days count as 100% Business if predominantly for business use
    • Sharing/cost-sharing with family is not a rental.
    • The unit is a dwelling; must have cooking/sleeping/toilet
    • I'm not a lawyer...stayed at a holiday inn express--NEVER AGAIN
  • HGVC is a good brand with flexibility, good resale (could always change). It's not like you're throwing money on a fire--unless you don't use it
  • HGVC is not the only TS in the world. Worldmark could also provide similar benefits....but you'd be the judge of that (vegas/orlando)
Good luck!
 

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First off, thanks to TUGBBS for being a great source of information and having saved me lots of money since I discovered this place 2 years ago.


Over a year ago I had seriously looked into purchasing a HGVC timeshare. After crunching the numbers, I concluded it was not worth it for me and my family.


Fast forward to December 2019, my personal situation has changed. I have a business that requires me to travel to Orlando and Vegas on a monthly basis. Therefore, once a month, I am travelling for approximately a week. What I have been doing is renting out timeshares through fellow TUG members.


Given this frequent travelling, I am now thinking it would make more financial sense for me to buy a timeshare and reserve additional days/weeks for cash as needed. This came to me last night as I was looking into my next trip. I will be crunching the financial analysis this weekend but my hunch is, i will be better off financially and I will always have the option of booking additional weeks for personal use elsewhere.


Looking for your opinion on my situation and my logic.


More to come!


Cheers
Quick question...2 years ago, and saved you lots of money. Why are you still only a guest?
 

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I feel like I might have been in a similar situation as you (persistently curious despite sound advice that perhaps this wasn’t for me), so I’d like to share my timeshare ownership experience so far in case it helps you a bit... Apologies in advance for the lengthy post, I don’t typically do this on here :)

It’s amazing how the “timeshare bug” bites some folks (i.e. me and apparently you too!) and then they can’t let it go... I was very curious and interested in timeshares for many years, found TUG last year and then was on a mission! Based on my initial survey, the wise TUG family suggested renting was perhaps better for me vs owning (I tend to book last minute, seemed to prefer less commitment, prefer shorter vs longer vacations, don’t need larger accommodations since it’s just 2 of us, etc) and yet I persisted. My husband and I travel frequently for work so we both get a decent # of hotel points (and status) and often our vacations are booked on pts... and yet I still had it in my head that we could “save money and take more vacations”. To boot, my husband is definitely the pickier type when it comes to hotels (I jokingly say that a Courtyard Marriott is “roughing it” for him....) therefore buying an “unknown”/lesser brand or independent timeshare with perhaps lower MFs (thinking of using it as a trader) wasn’t an option. Finally, since I didn’t have his full buy-in, exit strategy was very important (needed to buy something I could “get rid of” relatively painlessly if it didn’t work out for us, in the end).

Fast-forward 16 months and I now own TWO small timeshares which I bought at the same time (March 2019) on eBay LOL! I bought HGVC (Elara studio plus 3500 annual pts) because my husband and I both love Elara and I figured, if nothing else, we could use our points there. We go to Vegas OFTEN (at least 4 times per year, 6 times in 2019, but always for 2-3 nights only... we go for shows, awesome restaurants and work, NOT to gamble, everyone calm down haha!) and for us the open season rates and points costs were worth it because we like to stay center strip vs whatever random hotel has a good rate for the weekend. HGVC also satisfied my husband’s need for a “nicer” brand of timeshare. I also bought a small Worldmark contract (6000 pts).

What we’ve used so far (keep in mind I closed HGVC in June and WM in October... yes, CAVEAT EMPTOR, Worldmark takes about 6 months to close):
  • First use was my husband in Vegas (Elara... shocker!). He actually had a work conference at the Cosmopolitan (basically right across the street from Elara) and the rates were OUTRAGEOUS that week... he booked open season (vs using pts) because he needed to be able to expense the stay to his company. He spent less on a 3 night stay in a 1 bd grand plus vs what he would’ve paid at the Cosmo for 1 night in a standard room. His coworkers ended up having to stay off strip because everything in Vegas was booked up or too expensive for his company to approve. SIDEBAR: there are taxes charged on open season stays, don’t forget to consider those...
  • Next we went back to Elara for 4th of July and used 640 total pts for 3 nights. I don’t recall exactly what regular hotel rates were, but they were either astronomical or off-strip/less desirable in terms of location and hotel appeal. After this stay my husband was SOLD on our purchase and started bragging to friends about “our” timeshare (all of a sudden he wanted full part in this wise decision haha!)
  • Having used up only 640 pts out of my 3500 for 2019, I saved my pts ($108) and have booked a 2 bedroom (1408 - 1764 sq ft... no big deal...) at Elara for May 2020 for an epic girls’ trip weekend getaway. There are 6 of us and I charged each of my girlfriends $150 and, of course, our 5,040 pts booking is a steal vs every other good location hotel I was able to find online... and way bigger.... All of my girlfriends are impressed and asking all kinds of questions about becoming owners, now I gotta calm them down and send them over here to TUG to educate themselves...
As for my Worldmark, I bought this to explore the West Coast a bit (we moved here from the East Coast about 3 years ago and haven’t done much exploring yet), but was a bit worried about quality vs what my husband expects and likes. I have reservations to go check out Yosemite with 3 friends in April, we have a little Napa getaway planned shortly (February, was going in December and had to cancel, no penalty...LOVE my Worldmark!) AND we are going to Fiji for 4 nights (staying 5 nights in a Marriott afterwards because my husband doesn’t trust the WM brand just yet...) in May.

Some things I’ve learned along the way and advice I would have for someone like us...
  • You may not save money vs the cheapest available option, but you probably will (or at least break even), ESPECIALLY if there are specific locations that interest you (i.e. I like the location of Elara vs whatever rando hotel has a deal but is far away from the action).
  • You will take more vacations/will get in the habit of planning more vacations! This is one of the only truths that the developer sales reps tell you, timeshares “make you” take more vacations!
  • You will start inviting friends and family to join you on vacations! Having the ability to book larger accommodations for cheaper or the same price will get you in a sharing mood!
  • Fees will annoy you... HGVC charges for everything (book reservation, save pts). You will become a better planner. Btw, WM is amazing for this... I agree with @taterhed suggestion you should scope this system out.
  • Don’t be scared of availability, if you are persistent you can likely get what you want, even last minute (at least for the locations you are interested in: Orlando and Vegas). Persistence is key, just keep checking back OFTEN.
  • Start small, but not so small that you can’t get rid of it later if you discover this isn’t for you. I am happy with my studio plus 3500 at Elara because it’s platinum and because MFs here are low, but I would not, for example, have gone for a silver or even gold week at the studio level, I don’t think? Maybe in Vegas (excluding Trump which is more $$$$) I would have, but not elsewhere.
  • Open season is awesome (for me, anyway). Sure, some prices have gone up, especially for larger units, but overall I find this to be a great value still and allows for even shorter trips (2 nights vs the standard 3 nights needed for pts bookings).
  • RCI hasn’t worked for me (yet), I probably haven’t invested the right amount of time. For last minute (book usually 5 months or less before travel) folks like me, it seems that the places available are not the ones I want to go to, or have crazy All Inclusive (AI) fees, or are significantly less flexible in terms of check in dates and length or stay...
  • BECOME A MEMBER OF TUG. There are amazing folks on here and lots of wisdom, consider joining the fam, especially if you’ve been on here for some time.
Great luck! Let us know what you end up getting!
 
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