Looking for information on a possible Branson, MO timeshare

[truckinusa]

Is there anything I should investigate or look at for a Branson timeshare? I am confused what I would be getting if I purchase a Branson timeshare from a reseller. I have heard the Marriott Willow Ridge in Branson is a nice place, but I am little confused if that same room can be rented for the same or less than the yearly fees? I've never been to a timeshare presentation, never stayed in one and definitely never owned one. I'd just like a week in Branson one week a year or maybe every other year if that makes more sense.

 

[Jan M.]

My suggestion would be to look for a biannual one bedroom 49,000 points week at Grandview Las Vegas. The yearly maintenance fees for 2019 are $208.75. If it would be an even year that isn't a problem as you can borrow points from your next use year. There are even triennial one bedroom point weeks and if my math is right the maintenance fees on them for 2019 are $139.17. You can usually find someone selling these biannual or triennial weeks really cheap and sometimes even free.

You can use your points to book any of the thousands of resorts not just all over our Country but all over the world that exchange in RCI. You will pay an annual membership fee for your RCI account on top of your maintenance fees and the best deal is if you pay for five years but you can pay for fewer years. And you will also pay the RCI exchange fee of $239 for each week you book with your points. However if you book longer stays in one reservation the cost is $288 for 14 or more nights.

Annual RCI Points® Subscription Fees USD/Price Per
Year (USD)
1 YR $124
2 YRS $229/$114.50
3 YRS $321/$107
4 YRS $409/$102.25
5 YRS $499/$99.80

Now we are getting to the good part and why some people are fine with the biannual or triennial point weeks. All RCI owners can also book the sale weeks which don't use any points. RCI just had a pretty good sale and there are sales pretty regularly. The sales vary in regards to the price, the amount of inventory available for the sale weeks and how far out the stays are. Some sales are better than others. We've gotten some great stays with the sale weeks and they can run anywhere from approximately $250-$300 with the tax for a week long stay. You can even find two bedroom units in those sale weeks. There are also the Last Call weeks and those are stays available within 45 days of check in. You don't use any points for them either and the cost usually seems just a little higher than the sale weeks from what I've seen.

Grandview Las Vegas is part of the Vacation Village family of resorts and as on owner there you would get 2 extra weeks a year that you can book for just the fee, $250-$280 approximately. And you don't use any points to book those weeks. Like the Last Call weeks what you can book with the extra weeks is within 45 days of check in. I just logged into our account to copy and paste what is available in Branson with those extra weeks. You will find hotel rooms, studios, one bedroom and two bedroom units available at the different resorts. There are only a few resorts I wouldn't pick. Either because they are resorts that don't get good reviews or because I wouldn't want a hotel room or a studio which could be all some of them currently have available. But even after I eliminate the resorts that aren't what I want or don't have the one or two bedroom unit I want there is still a very nice selection to pick from.

Vacation Village- Extra Vacation Certificate

19 resorts (136 Available Units)
City

• Branson [85]
• Hollister [6]
• Kimberling City [35]
• Reeds Spring [10]

• Check-In Month
  • March 2019 [42]
  • April 2019 [94]

 

[Shankilicious]

I'll go ahead and promote the resort I own at in Branson. Welk Resorts Lodges at Timber Ridge.
They are a point based system (platinum ownership) and make it very easy to book as little as a two day stay in anything from a 450sqft studio to a three bedroom villa.
They have a theater on property with a variety of shows hosted throughout the year, indoor/outdoor pool and restaurant.
Your maintenance fees will include a platinum RCI membership.
Resale points can be gotten for the best prices at www.calresorts.com there is also a maintenance fee chart on that site.
Feel free to message me with any questions about how Welk points work

 

[truckinusa]

My suggestion would be to look for a biannual one bedroom 49,000 points week at Grandview Las Vegas. The yearly maintenance fees for 2019 are $208.75. If it would be an even year that isn't a problem as you can borrow points from your next use year. There are even triennial one bedroom point weeks and if my math is right the maintenance fees on them for 2019 are $139.17. You can usually find someone selling these biannual or triennial weeks really cheap and sometimes even free.

You can use your points to book any of the thousands of resorts not just all over our Country but all over the world that exchange in RCI. You will pay an annual membership fee for your RCI account on top of your maintenance fees and the best deal is if you pay for five years but you can pay for fewer years. And you will also pay the RCI exchange fee of $239 for each week you book with your points. However if you book longer stays in one reservation the cost is $288 for 14 or more nights.

Annual RCI Points® Subscription Fees USD/Price Per
Year (USD)
1 YR $124
2 YRS $229/$114.50
3 YRS $321/$107
4 YRS $409/$102.25
5 YRS $499/$99.80

Now we are getting to the good part and why some people are fine with the biannual or triennial point weeks. All RCI owners can also book the sale weeks which don't use any points. RCI just had a pretty good sale and there are sales pretty regularly. The sales vary in regards to the price, the amount of inventory available for the sale weeks and how far out the stays are. Some sales are better than others. We've gotten some great stays with the sale weeks and they can run anywhere from approximately $250-$300 with the tax for a week long stay. You can even find two bedroom units in those sale weeks. There are also the Last Call weeks and those are stays available within 45 days of check in. You don't use any points for them either and the cost usually seems just a little higher than the sale weeks from what I've seen.

Grandview Las Vegas is part of the Vacation Village family of resorts and as on owner there you would get 2 extra weeks a year that you can book for just the fee, $250-$280 approximately. And you don't use any points to book those weeks. Like the Last Call weeks what you can book with the extra weeks is within 45 days of check in. I just logged into our account to copy and paste what is available in Branson with those extra weeks. You will find hotel rooms, studios, one bedroom and two bedroom units available at the different resorts. There are only a few resorts I wouldn't pick. Either because they are resorts that don't get good reviews or because I wouldn't want a hotel room or a studio which could be all some of them currently have available. But even after I eliminate the resorts that aren't what I want or don't have the one or two bedroom unit I want there is still a very nice selection to pick from.

Vacation Village- Extra Vacation Certificate

19 resorts (136 Available Units)
City

• Branson [85]
• Hollister [6]
• Kimberling City [35]
• Reeds Spring [10]

• Check-In Month
  • March 2019 [42]
  • April 2019 [94]

I have heard of RCI but I am completely lost how that works. Also I don’t get what points get you. I assume you are saying I could book a week in Branson with a $200 maintenance fee and possibly an exchange fee or RCI fee? I’m a little lost on the whole process and the safest place to purchase.

 

[truckinusa]

I'll go ahead and promote the resort I own at in Branson. Welk Resorts Lodges at Timber Ridge.
They are a point based system (platinum ownership) and make it very easy to book as little as a two day stay in anything from a 450sqft studio to a three bedroom villa.
They have a theater on property with a variety of shows hosted throughout the year, indoor/outdoor pool and restaurant.
Your maintenance fees will include a platinum RCI membership.
Resale points can be gotten for the best prices at www.calresorts.com there is also a maintenance fee chart on that site.
Feel free to message me with any questions about how Welk points work

After reading the website I am a little unclear how that even works?

 

[Jan M.]

I have heard of RCI but I am completely lost how that works. Also I don’t get what points get you. I assume you are saying I could book a week in Branson with a $200 maintenance fee and possibly an exchange fee or RCI fee? I’m a little lost on the whole process and the safest place to purchase.

You could look on eBay, in the TUG Marketplace, in the Bargain Deals under the Buying Selling, Renting forum also on TUG, on Sumday's website. Many people here on TUG use LT Transfers to do the closings.They are very good and very reasonable price wise.

RCI is the exchange company thousands of resorts use. You would get a deed for your week at your resort and you pay your maintenance fees to the resort not RCI. As long as you make sure you are getting a points week you would get those points to use in RCI every year, every other year or every third year depending on what you own. You will have your annual maintenance fees, the RCI membership fee and for every week you book using the points the $239 exchange fee. Sale weeks, Last Call weeks and the EXtra Weeks Vacation Village owners get don't use any points. Typically the cost of those weeks is just a little more than the exchange fee would be.

When I say make sure you are getting a points week that is because there are also fixed weeks too. RCI has two types of accounts, points and weeks. With a fixed week if you want to go some other time or place than your week at your resort you would deposit your week for trade and get TPU's, Trading Power Units to book other resorts. Points owners see more inventory than fixed week owners so I always recommend getting a points week. Some people prefer to have their week at their resort and so a fixed week works better for them. If a points owner wants to use their week because they do own an actual week they would have to contact their resort and RCI at the start of their use year to arrange to use their week that year instead of getting the points. Because there is always so much availability in Branson there is really no point in having a fixed week.

Some people who go to places like Branson, Orlando and other places that have a lot of timeshare locations are fine with the small number of points they get with their triennial weeks. They know they can book those places with the Sale Weeks, Last Call Weeks and VV Extra Weeks. They save their points to go places that you aren't going to find in those weeks.

 

[vacationtime1]

We tend to be very timeshare centric on this forum, perhaps overly so. And what passes here as a few simple hacks to extend vacation dollars is often absurdly complex to the uninitiated.

If all OP wants to do is to have a nice condo in Branson every year or two, I suggest he rent. The best sites for rentals are the TUG Marketplace: https://tug2.com/timeshare-classifieds/default.aspx and Redweek: www.redweek.com

 

[truckinusa]

You could look on eBay, in the TUG Marketplace, in the Bargain Deals under the Buying Selling, Renting forum also on TUG, on Sumday's website. Many people here on TUG use LT Transfers to do the closings.They are very good and very reasonable price wise.

RCI is the exchange company thousands of resorts use. You would get a deed for your week at your resort and you pay your maintenance fees to the resort not RCI. As long as you make sure you are getting a points week you would get those points to use in RCI every year, every other year or every third year depending on what you own. You will have your annual maintenance fees, the RCI membership fee and for every week you book using the points the $239 exchange fee. Sale weeks, Last Call weeks and the EXtra Weeks Vacation Village owners get don't use any points. Typically the cost of those weeks is just a little more than the exchange fee would be.

When I say make sure you are getting a points week that is because there are also fixed weeks too. RCI has two types of accounts, points and weeks. With a fixed week if you want to go some other time or place than your week at your resort you would deposit your week for trade and get TPU's, Trading Power Units to book other resorts. Points owners see more inventory than fixed week owners so I always recommend getting a points week. Some people prefer to have their week at their resort and so a fixed week works better for them. If a points owner wants to use their week because they do own an actual week they would have to contact their resort and RCI at the start of their use year to arrange to use their week that year instead of getting the points. Because there is always so much availability in Branson there is really no point in having a fixed week.

Some people who go to places like Branson, Orlando and other places that have a lot of timeshare locations are fine with the small number of points they get with their triennial weeks. They know they can book those places with the Sale Weeks, Last Call Weeks and VV Extra Weeks. They save their points to go places that you aren't going to find in those weeks.

I am still a little unclear what 49,000 points means exactly? Is Grandview Las Vegas the only resort that offers the Vacation Village weeks? Maybe there is a better choice in case I didn't want to visit Vegas or maybe the location doesn't really matter if I am just trading points for other resorts anyways? What would the total cost look like to buy in? I'm a little leery of trashing my credit again and would like to avoid any situation where I can't unload the timeshare too. Is this something I should consider bidding on? tiny url dot com slash y4nymzpk

 

[Passepartout]

All this talk of points and exchanging and Las Vegas etc. Etc. Is just confusing. If what you want us a week a year in a nice, clean, fairly luxurious condo in Branson, rent. Use the TUG Marketplace or Redweek.com. You might not get the rock bottom price every time, but with no buy-in cost and no exit strategy necessary, it's safe. You'll keep your credit intact, and get a taste of resort life. Later, you might want to go somewhere else. C'mon back to learn more. But trying to get just a little into on TUG is like sipping from a fire hose. Time sharing is a kind of fun hobby, but it can get obsessive to milk it for every perk.

Rent. Have a great vacation.

Jim

 

[truckinusa]

All this talk of points and exchanging and Las Vegas etc. Etc. Is just confusing. If what you want us a week a year in a nice, clean, fairly luxurious condo in Branson, rent. Use the TUG Marketplace or Redweek.com. You might not get the rock bottom price every time, but with no buy-in cost and no exit strategy necessary, it's safe. You'll keep your credit intact, and get a taste of resort life. Later, you might want to go somewhere else. C'mon back to learn more. But trying to get just a little into on TUG is like sipping from a fire hose. Time sharing is a kind of fun hobby, but it can get obsessive to milk it for every perk.

Rent. Have a great vacation.

Jim

I read some of the safety tips on here, but is an escrow the only way to safely transact if you want to rent a timeshare? All the different gimmicks, swapping, points, etc has me a little overwhelmed. Can't be trashing my credit again. Been there done that.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

I am still a little unclear what 49,000 points means exactly?
Is Grandview Las Vegas the only resort that offers the Vacation Village weeks?
Maybe there is a better choice in case I didn't want to visit Vegas or maybe the location doesn't really matter if I am just trading ....

1)Vacation Village Parkway (Kissimmee Florida) and their Weston Florida locations have these as well
Grandview net yearly cost is a little less because Florida has a higher real estate tax rate on timeshares than Nevada .

2) Not all resale’s at VV resorts are in RCI points . Not every fixed week that is in RCI points has the same points value . When originally sold by the developer - the original purchaser paid more for the weeks with a higher point value . Since resale starts at $1 - you want the higher point value since the
MF is the same . The resale biennials & triennials in RCI points allow someone a low cost way to access
timeshare use - particularly non- high season use .

3) TUG members who buy resale Grandview as a low cost RCI trader - may never visit Las Vegas .

******

Timeshare usage can have an arbitrage component . This is something that confused me when I first joined TUG . I thought you owned one timeshare and used it .

Jan M explained the TS equivelant of buying a used 2 door Chevy Cruze - paying the insurance / loaning to a rental car company in Las Vegas for a week and then getting a loaner / rental in Branson from the same company - except it is a 4 door Chevy Suburban & if you do this off season you may get it for 2 weeks .

Jim / Passeparout - is giving you a good starting point - rent & check things out .
Read TUG - learn , read some more - then decide what works for you .
Timeshare have a lot more vacation useage value than hotel rooms - BUT
they are harder to get rid of if you buy something that does not work FOR YOU .

 

[Passepartout]

I read some of the safety tips on here, but is an escrow the only way to safely transact if you want to rent a timeshare? All the different gimmicks, swapping, points, etc has me a little overwhelmed. Can't be trashing my credit again. Been there done that.

Not at all. In fact most of us bought our timeshares for pocket change. A dollar to $100. Now, just because the buy-in is cheap does'nt mean it's a good deal. So REALLY! I'd encourage you to rent a few times. Try it out. Compare the cost with hotel prices you find on TripAdvisorr or Trivago. You'll like the space, the in-suite laundry and kitchen and everyone having their own bedrooms.

 

[truckinusa]

Not at all. In fact most of us bought our timeshares for pocket change. A dollar to $100. Now, just because the buy-in is cheap does'nt mean it's a good deal. So REALLY! I'd encourage you to rent a few times. Try it out. Compare the cost with hotel prices you find on TripAdvisorr or Trivago. You'll like the space, the in-suite laundry and kitchen and everyone having their own bedrooms.

can you give me a good example of something to rent and where to find it? I believe from what I read the check in day is always Friday also? That works great for my work schedule.

 

[Shankilicious]

After reading the website I am a little unclear how that even works?

Every timeshare has maintenance fees. Some also have club fees/dues and housekeeping credits. It does get complicated.
Your best bet, as someone else mentioned, is tour a few. Get some free/cheap stays and sit through a couple sales presentations but DO NOT BUY! This will let you tour the resort and they'll make it sound as amazing as possible, which a lot of times it's not, until you really learn how each system works.
If you want to get 3 free nights at Welk, shoot me a message and I'll give you a direct number to call.
Buying from a resale site like calresorts.com means you get the points for cents on the dollar.
Points=staying power. You could stay Sun-Fri in a 800sqft villa for 75k points. Or stay for a whole week for 150k. Welk let's owners check in any night of the week.

 

[VacationForever]

If you are looking at Marriott Willow Ridge, when you trade in Interval International, it gives you discounted Marriott-Marriott trading fee and 24-day priority to new Marriott deposits into II where non-Marriott cannot see or trade into during this period. But make sure you pick up one in the Platinum season as the resort itself does not have high trading power and a platinum week will help increase the trading power.

 

[truckinusa]

If you are looking at Marriott Willow Ridge, when you trade in Interval International, it gives you discounted Marriott-Marriott trading fee and 24-day priority to new Marriott deposits into II where non-Marriott cannot see or trade into during this period. But make sure you pick up one in the Platinum season as the resort itself does not have high trading power and a platinum week will help increase the trading power.

platinum week retains enough value to at least give it away? I'm guessing platinum is a premium room with a summer week?

 

[Shankilicious]

Don't have to worry about any resort to resort transfer fees with Welk or its affiliates. Also, no one week is better than another. Points are points are points.

 

[VacationForever]

platinum week retains enough value to at least give it away? I'm guessing platinum is a premium room with a summer week?

Marriott's Willow Ridge generally has no resale value including one in platinum season because the resort itself is not a strong trader. It has the lowest MF in the Marriott system so it is a good entry level Marriott trader.

You should be able to give it away without issues when it comes time that you no longer want it. The huge advantage is the low maintenance fees and it has Marriott-Marriott preference in II.

 

[Passepartout]

can you give me a good example of something to rent and where to find it? I believe from what I read the check in day is always Friday also? That works great for my work schedule.

Sure. This one is from the TUG Marketplace in the dark blue stripe near the top of this (and every) page:
Branson- 2 bedrooms, 2 baths $325 for 7 nights. That's less than Motel 6!

For Rent
Floating | EY | FriSatSun
Eagle's Nest Resort
USA | MO | Branson
03 2019
10 2019
01/15/2019
03/07/2019
Other
2
2
6
Rental Price$325.00
Posted: 2/2/2019 - Eagle's Nest Resort - Branson Missouriview ad

Located next to Silver Dollar City amusement theme park and at the edge of Table Rock Lake, Eagle's Nest Resort offers 2-bedroom/2-bathroom floor plans featuring views of the lake and/or nearby Ozark Mountains.

The units are conveniently equipped to make this your home away from home. The resort includes amenities such as seasonal outdoor pool and hot tub, a newly updated playground, basketball half court, walking trails to the lake and much more.

Dubbed Live Music Capital of the World Branson Missouri offers something for everyone. From outdoor and water activities, golfing, shopping and of course live music the fun never stops in Branson Missouri.

 

[truckinusa]

Sure. This one is from the TUG Marketplace in the dark blue stripe near the top of this (and every) page:
Branson- 2 bedrooms, 2 baths $325 for 7 nights. That's less than Motel 6!

For Rent
Floating | EY | FriSatSun
Eagle's Nest Resort
USA | MO | Branson
03 2019
10 2019
01/15/2019
03/07/2019
Other
2
2
6
Rental Price$325.00
Posted: 2/2/2019 - Eagle's Nest Resort - Branson Missouriview ad

Located next to Silver Dollar City amusement theme park and at the edge of Table Rock Lake, Eagle's Nest Resort offers 2-bedroom/2-bathroom floor plans featuring views of the lake and/or nearby Ozark Mountains.

The units are conveniently equipped to make this your home away from home. The resort includes amenities such as seasonal outdoor pool and hot tub, a newly updated playground, basketball half court, walking trails to the lake and much more.

Dubbed Live Music Capital of the World Branson Missouri offers something for everyone. From outdoor and water activities, golfing, shopping and of course live music the fun never stops in Branson Missouri.

Do additional options pop up in the summer season? It appears like this one is for March. I forget what dates I'm available in the summer but would like to plan something ahead of time.

 

[Jan M.]

Do additional options pop up in the summer season? It appears like this one is for March. I forget what dates I'm available in the summer but would like to plan something ahead of time.

This is an exceptionally good deal and the price is that low because the check in date was very close, and in fact has now passed. Don't expect to find deals like that all the time or when you need them. And they usually aren't found until it gets down to the last week or two before the check in date. But I would think you should be able to find something in a one or two bedroom in the $500-$700 range whenever you want to go to Branson. And who knows you might find something for less.

If you only take one or two at the most weeks of vacations that you go away a year then renting may make more sense for you. If finances are really tight you may not want to have more expenses to worry about and renting would be a lot better option for you for the time being.

If you go with other family or friends and would want more than one unit or want to plan further out then owning might be perfect for you. Some families or lifelong close friends split the cost of buying a timeshare, the yearly expenses, each pay for what they use and they all get to benefit. You would just add a guest certificate to the reservation if your family or close friends were going when you weren't. There are a lot of families who share the annual expenses and the account successfully.

Some young families whose finances were very tight when they started out found that owning a fixed week at a resort with really low maintenance fees that they knew they could drive to was perfect for them. Using your fixed week means no exchange fee. And they were able to book the last call weeks or sale weeks to be able to have a cheap second vacation. They would go to a resort that had a nice pool for the kids, maybe some free activities for the kids and a little mini golf course too. Maybe they went to a beach resort and hung at the beach. Maybe if their family was into taking walks or hiking they picked some place close to a State or National Park too. They cooked in so pretty much their only expenses were the cost of the week for under $300 and their gas money to get there. I've seen people posting about the wonderful memories their family has of those cheap vacations and saying how without their one little timeshare they would never have had those vacations.

If the time isn't right for you to own something now you are still learning a lot that may be very helpful to you at a future time.

 

[truckinusa]

This is an exceptionally good deal and the price is that low because the check in date was very close, and in fact has now passed. Don't expect to find deals like that all the time or when you need them. And they usually aren't found until it gets down to the last week or two before the check in date. But I would think you should be able to find something in a one or two bedroom in the $500-$700 range whenever you want to go to Branson. And who knows you might find something for less.

If you only take one or two at the most weeks of vacations that you go away a year then renting may make more sense for you. If finances are really tight you may not want to have more expenses to worry about and renting would be a lot better option for you for the time being.

If you go with other family or friends and would want more than one unit or want to plan further out then owning might be perfect for you. Some families or lifelong close friends split the cost of buying a timeshare, the yearly expenses, each pay for what they use and they all get to benefit. You would just add a guest certificate to the reservation if your family or close friends were going when you weren't. There are a lot of families who share the annual expenses and the account successfully.

Some young families whose finances were very tight when they started out found that owning a fixed week at a resort with really low maintenance fees that they knew they could drive to was perfect for them. Using your fixed week means no exchange fee. And they were able to book the last call weeks or sale weeks to be able to have a cheap second vacation. They would go to a resort that had a nice pool for the kids, maybe some free activities for the kids and a little mini golf course too. Maybe they went to a beach resort and hung at the beach. Maybe if their family was into taking walks or hiking they picked some place close to a State or National Park too. They cooked in so pretty much their only expenses were the cost of the week for under $300 and their gas money to get there. I've seen people posting about the wonderful memories their family has of those cheap vacations and saying how without their one little timeshare they would never have had those vacations.

If the time isn't right for you to own something now you are still learning a lot that may be very helpful to you at a future time.

My maximum spend would be $2,000 to buy in and maybe $1000 a year maintenance. I could go a little higher on either one, but would prefer not to. I live 7 hours from Branson in Oklahoma City. I have 2 children and a wife. I make a modest income at $60k. Just looking to get there by whatever means makes sense. Might be nice to invite mother and father also.

 

[Passepartout]

Do additional options pop up in the summer season? It appears like this one is for March. I forget what dates I'm available in the summer but would like to plan something ahead of time.

Look for the word 'Floating' on dates available. The renter then secures a Guest Certificate for you and your party. Payment is made and you're all set. You would get confirmation from the resort. Yes, at some point, there is a degree of trust. You take it on trust that the ad poster has the week You want, and they have to trust that you'll pay. You can ramp up the trust quotient by only renting from experienced renters (no first-timers) and using those that use mutually agreeable pay method- credit card or pay-pa!.

You asked for an example, and a pointer to where to find it. There is a sticky on how to rent. TUG has a very good search engine. I can not imagine any question regarding time sharing that has not been covered. Give it a try.
Jim

 

[Shankilicious]

You can buy 120k annual points at Welk for $1,200 and you're total annual fee will be around $800ish.
Below is a list of what that will get you in Branson.
Platinum Weeks Branson
2 Bedroom 240,000 per week
1 Bedroom Villa 150,000 per week
1 Bedroom Suite 90,000 per week
2 Bedroom 60,000 Fri & Sat; 24,000 Sun-Thurs
1 Bedroom Villas 37,500 Fri & Sat; 15,000 Sun-Thurs
1 Bedroom Suite 22,500 per night Fri & Sat; 9,000 Sun-Thurs

 

[CMVer]

Be careful buying in Branson. It has one of the lowest trading values in the RCI or II trading systems because the city is so over built. There are several very nice resorts near all the action, but don't forget the lake areas. Bluegreen has beautiful resorts out on Table Rock Lake. Renting is a great option in Branson since you can rent for very little more than the maintenance fees. We own at Palace View and really like it there, but we also own Bluegreen, so we have access to the Big Cedar area resorts.