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Just bought a Sheraton Desert Oasis on ebay

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Everyone was so helpful when I bought my WSJ resale and now I'm needing help again with yet another timeshare purchase:D Just bought an EOY 1 BR Sheraton Oasis (Platinum week 1-21, 50-52) for around $300 on ebay. It is a deeded week 3, floating week and I'm responsible for the 2008 mf (1/2 is around $250) and closing costs are reasonable. I bought thru "ttimeshareman".

Carolyn

What is the main advantage to buying such a cheap timeshare unit? If you were to requal this unit with SVO would you be able to add the staroptions of the developer week with the newly requalified week for a larger unit?
 

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I own 10 other timeshares and what I am hearing almost sounds illegal!! Maybe I should just pull out of this deal if I can't:

1. Rent my Week 3 deeded week (although this week AND this size unit would rent for $2100/wk thru Starwood in 2009) Of course I would be fine with $800/week.

2. Deposit my deeded week with II for trading purposes

Hey, can I even USE my deeded week and designated unit? :D I'm beginning to wonder.

We strictly bought our 1 BR WSJ for the sole purpose of using it so I wasn't concerned with these issues. How can Starwood control what I do if SDO is a
non-mandatory resort? Doesn't a deed mean anything?

Carolyn
Yes, you can rent any week you reserve with your ownership.

Yes, a deed does mean something - especially since the week you purchased is from the 'old' developer.

At Sheraton Broadway Plantation, I can call and reserve my deeded week from 24 to 12 months one day ahead of use (that reminds me!).

Once your week is acknowledged by Starwood - you will be able to read about your particular ownership on MyStarCentral - and it explains how your reservation process will work.
And as others have stated, by knowing your rights, you will be able to decide what will get deposited. The reps you reach when u call Starwood to reserve and deposit are not as familiar with (or pretend not to know) the depositing of non-point owners' weeks in II. But I have been able to ''educate' them and end up with good deposits....start reading this board, there has been LOTS of discussion about it - but you will find this a great ownership....
 

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What is the main advantage to buying such a cheap timeshare unit?
Exchanging thru II into other Starwood properties - you get a 3 day II Starwood preference where only other Starwood owners can 'see' and do the exchange - a non-Starwood week would only see what has not been taken for exchange by other Starwood owners after 3 days.

And unlike SVO (point) owners, you can reserve and deposit weeks that will have GREAT trading power in II to exchange for non-Starwood resorts as well.


There is life beyond ;)
 

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Once your week is acknowledged by Starwood - you will be able to read about your particular ownership on MyStarCentral - and it explains how your reservation process will work.
And as others have stated, by knowing your rights, you will be able to decide what will get deposited. The reps you reach when u call Starwood to reserve and deposit are not as familiar with (or pretend not to know) the depositing of non-point owners' weeks in II. But I have been able to ''educate' them and end up with good deposits....start reading this board, there has been LOTS of discussion about it - but you will find this a great ownership....

When I call in, the person I talk to doesn't deposit the week. It is someone else. How do you "educate" the actual person who does the deposit the week in II. Do you tell the first person that you want to deposit week 27 into II? I tried but they ignore me and give me .... all red weeks are equal....
 

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What is the main advantage to buying such a cheap timeshare unit? If you were to requal this unit with SVO would you be able to add the staroptions of the developer week with the newly requalified week for a larger unit?
Yes you sure could do that.
 

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Exchanging thru II into other Starwood properties - you get a 3 day II Starwood preference where only other Starwood owners can 'see' and do the exchange - a non-Starwood week would only see what has not been taken for exchange by other Starwood owners after 3 days.

And unlike SVO (point) owners, you can reserve and deposit weeks that will have GREAT trading power in II to exchange for non-Starwood resorts as well.


There is life beyond ;)

Well said Pat. Since this resort is BOTH a gold crown with RCI and a 5 Star
with II, I figured I should get good trades OR be able to rent it out for a profit. OK...I'm feeling better now :banana:

Carolyn
 

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What is the main advantage to buying such a cheap timeshare unit? If you were to requal this unit with SVO would you be able to add the staroptions of the developer week with the newly requalified week for a larger unit?


Yes, but the advantage being discussed in this thread is that even resale weeks have a 3 day priority in II for other Starwood timeshares. There have been some great II exchanges made with cheap resale weeks.
 

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When I call in, the person I talk to doesn't deposit the week. It is someone else. How do you "educate" the actual person who does the deposit the week in II. Do you tell the first person that you want to deposit week 27 into II? I tried but they ignore me and give me .... all red weeks are equal....

Do you have a reservation for week 27?

When you get the first person on the phone and say you want to deposit - tell them the reservation you have - (say a July week in Myrtle Beach) - ask them to deposit that week or any week from Mid June to mid August - and you will wait on hold while they speak to the other person.
If they come back and say they can't do it - ask for a supervisor and be prepared to read from the reservation policy for your resort - and how u r not a 'points owner' so you will be depositing either the week you reserved or a comparable week in the 8 week span you give them.
 

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Well said Pat. Since this resort is BOTH a gold crown with RCI and a 5 Star
with II, I figured I should get good trades OR be able to rent it out for a profit. OK...I'm feeling better now :banana:

Carolyn
VERY nice trades, Starwood to Starwood and others as well - Marriott's and other high end resorts and also middle of the road stuff - I traded my 1BR PGA for a 2BR DVC September week today - not sure if I am keeping it.... I am 'over-vacationed' as usual! :rolleyes:
 

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Do you have a reservation for week 27?

When you get the first person on the phone and say you want to deposit - tell them the reservation you have - (say a July week in Myrtle Beach) - ask them to deposit that week or any week from Mid June to mid August - and you will wait on hold while they speak to the other person.
If they come back and say they can't do it - ask for a supervisor and be prepared to read from the reservation policy for your resort - and how u r not a 'points owner' so you will be depositing either the week you reserved or a comparable week in the 8 week span you give them.

Great... I will try this on my next reservation/deposit.... Where is the reservation policy for Broadway Plantation so I can read it to the supervisor?
 

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Great... I will try this on my next reservation/deposit.... Where is the reservation policy for Broadway Plantation so I can read it to the supervisor?
Log into 'mystarcentral' and read about your ownership.....and I really feel 'an educated consumer is the best customer' (Sy Syms, remember! :eek: ) is the best approach.
 

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I own 3 Starwood weeks at voluntary resorts including 2 weeks at SDO (all resales) but have never done any trades because I always thought that SW picked the week that got deposited so the trading power would be poor. However, I've now learned that this is not the case. If this is in fact the case, I'm pretty well convinced that you're actually better off not being in the SVN if you own a voluntary resort and you basically have the best of all worlds.

First, since SW picks the weeks for virtually all deposits to the exchange company (even if they're not supposed to for non SVN deposits), it's much easier for an owner to call up and get a highly sought after week. The only time I've ever had to call right at one year out was to reserve my SDO unit for Super Bowl week. Otherwise, as long as I called within 6-9 months (sometimes less), I've been able to get a peak week because SW deposits the bad weeks! With my Marriott TS, it's almost impossible to get a peak week unless you call 12 mos in advance to the minute.

Second, you can reserve a peak week and have SW deposit that week for you (although it might be akin to WWIII to get them to do it, so it appears).

Third, if you're in the SVN, they charge you a fee (something like $39) to change a reservation but there's no charge to do it if you're not in the SVN. If you reserve a week to rent and it doesn't rent, you can even change it up to the day before check in to a new date, and there's no penalty if you're not in the SVN. I've had reps tell me that it would be a $39 charge to make the change but when they finally see that I'm not in the SVN, they say there's no charge. Most everyone who owns SW timeshares must be in the SVN.

Fourth, you don't have to pay the annual $109 SVN membership fee.

So, net net, I think you're a lot better off not being in the SVN.

Also, all three of the SW weeks I own are the small 1BR's and I've never had a problem renting them for quite a bit more than my M&T, but I always reserve them for one of the highest demand weeks of the year. Carolyn, you might not get $900 for your small 1BR at SDO but you should get at least $700 for it which is well over your M&T. One bad thing about an EOY at SDO (and maybe other SW resorts) is that the M&T is a little higher than if you own EY (i.e. you pay a little more than 50% of the EY fee each year). The large 1BR will rent for more but the M&T on it is also more. The main determinate as to how much rent you can get is the demand for the week, not the size of the 1BR unit, IMHO.

I think you'll be very happy with your purchase at SDO.
 

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SDO/II Exchange

I also own a resale at SDO (1-52) and just recently exchanged my deluxe one bdrm. (Jan. 2009) for a premium one bdrm at Westin Kaanapali (Dec. 2008). I had completed a research first and Starwood allocated the Jan. 2009 week.

BTW, I was another bidder on that auction. I was hoping it would stay at $51 but $300 is still really great!

It really is a great trader--couldn't be more pleased. Enjoy your new purchase!
 

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I also own a resale at SDO (1-52) and just recently exchanged my deluxe one bdrm. (Jan. 2009) for a premium one bdrm at Westin Kaanapali (Dec. 2008). I had completed a research first and Starwood allocated the Jan. 2009 week.

BTW, I was another bidder on that auction. I was hoping it would stay at $51 but $300 is still really great!

It really is a great trader--couldn't be more pleased. Enjoy your new purchase!

Gypsie,

How does it compare to your SMV as far as trading? DO you own a winter week. I would think a resale SMV in the winter would have the most power in trading of any of the resale Starwoods (except the WKORV, Harborside, St John trio, which I would not deposit)....

Katherine
 

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Gypsie,

How does it compare to your SMV as far as trading? DO you own a winter week. I would think a resale SMV in the winter would have the most power in trading of any of the resale Starwoods (except the WKORV, Harborside, St John trio, which I would not deposit)....

Katherine
We need someone to deposit these :clap: - how else can the poor resale buyers get there ??? :rolleyes:
 

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Yes, I own winter at SMV but they don't pull up WKOR with II. WKV and SDO are much better for pulling up Harborside and Maui.
 

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Yes, I own winter at SMV but they don't pull up WKOR with II. WKV and SDO are much better for pulling up Harborside and Maui.

I am really surprised. I would think SMV would pull the best since ski weeks are limited and are impossible to trade into -- more so than WKORV, which has 52 full great weeks of use. Ah well.

K
 

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I didn't realize that SMV was that difficult to trade into because I have never tried to trade into it. I suspect that once they complete the new resort in CO, SMV will be much easier to get into.
 

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Well, there will be 2 new resorts (Steamboat and Riverfront) so you are right, availability will be easier. I think ski weeks always demand a high price as they are so limited in time and availability (about 10 good weeks).

As for retro-ing SDO, one needs to be careful. If you bought one of the "old" SDOs that float 1-52, your unit is considered "gold" even though it may be in a platinum (Spring) time and even a 2BR LO will only get 81,000 SOs.

If you plan to retro a unit with a new purchase, I guess all the benefits of depositing your own week into II are lost. Instead you gain access to SO and SPs but with the SVN fee and loss of control over your week.

I think the best is a combo approach. Pick up a cheap week on eBay to trade (like you did) at SDO or SBP, which also trades well. Also, PGA is good and inexpensive.

Then, if you want to retro something, make sure it's worth 148,100 SOs since you will need to spend at least $20,000 with Starwood direct just to get a retro through. No use retro-ing something that is worth only 20-40,000 SOs. It doesn't justify the painful developer price of $20k for that.

I would think WMH or SMV Platinum for about $10,000 will retro for 148k SOs. So you will get 148k SOs x 2 for about $30,000. Do this twice and you are 5* platinum!

Katherine
 

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SMV summer week 1br pulled a 2br WKORN

I didn't realize that SMV was that difficult to trade into because I have never tried to trade into it. I suspect that once they complete the new resort in CO, SMV will be much easier to get into.

I pulled a 2br WKORN for Dec 12-19 with a July 4 SMV 1br.
 

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Yes, I own winter at SMV but they don't pull up WKOR with II. WKV and SDO are much better for pulling up Harborside and Maui.
What week did you have deposited with II?
The Starwood rep tells you 'it doesn't matter' but it is EXTREMELY important to have a good week with II - I image for a ski resort, this would be week 51,51,1-13 and then the summer 24-34ish.

edit - gypsie - log into II now and see if you can see Westin Hawaii for Sept thru Dec 2008....then check the sightings board here to compare.
 
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Since Starwood never deposits easter weeks any longer, that would be an excellent week to reserve and deposit. I'm not certain about President's week. I think they may have stopped deposting those as well. A few years ago, Starwood did put a President's week into my account for my WMH small one bedroom and that unit saw everything in the starwood preference period. When I use a generic small 1 bedroom (no set reservation yet) it doesn't see the 2 bedrooms.

I think you'll do great with an easter or president's week deposit into II. You got an amazing deal on that! Congrats!
 

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I looked at my deed and would you believe that my deeded SDO week is week 52? What do you think - will that be a good week to deposit with II or not? I don't even have a II acct. set up, except for my Starwood acct. and it's an EOY, so I won't be able to do anything with it until 2010.
 

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What week did you have deposited with II?
The Starwood rep tells you 'it doesn't matter' but it is EXTREMELY important to have a good week with II - I image for a ski resort, this would be week 51,51,1-13 and then the summer 24-34ish.

edit - gypsie - log into II now and see if you can see Westin Hawaii for Sept thru Dec 2008....then check the sightings board here to compare.

I don't have anything else deposited right now with II but I performed a search first with my 2-bdrm 2009 SMV winter week and Maui doesn't even pop up. However, a couple of two-bedrooms at WKORN popped up with my SDO and WKV.

I don't know--I think the SDO is a stronger trader than my SMV but am not sure! I think GrayFal has sound advice --I need to make sure I get a strong week from Starwood to trade before attempting a trade with II.
 

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I don't have anything else deposited right now with II but I performed a search first with my 2-bdrm 2009 SMV winter week and Maui doesn't even pop up. However, a couple of two-bedrooms at WKORN popped up with my SDO and WKV.

I don't know--I think the SDO is a stronger trader than my SMV but am not sure! I think GrayFal has sound advice --I need to make sure I get a strong week from Starwood to trade before attempting a trade with II.

Do you own a Sheraton Mountain Vista float week 51-52, 1-14? Or do you own another season? I would think winter skiing in Colorado would be in very high demand.
 
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