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[June Thread] It's Hard to be Green!

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I used to recycle, but stopped when the Green machine started attacking my rights, so I decided they could all get stuffed. The right they attacked was our right to travel. The governments of the UK and now the Netherlands have imposed extra $100+ air ticket taxes on trans-Atlantic tickets to discourage air travel in order to ''save the planet''. The UK now wants to raise that to $200. My response to that direct attack on my rights is to adopt a zero cooperation with Greens approach.

If you want some insight on the real agenda of the Greens, read ''Blue Planet in Green Shackles'' by Vaclav Klaus, currently President of the Czech Republic, or the best selling novel ''State of Fear'' by Michael Crichton (Juriassic Park, etc.)

I am quite sure it was the revenue not the planet they wanted to save...

And as a bleeding heart liberal who does everything he can to conserve and reuse (even though it sometimes saves me a whole penny) I will stay out of this conversation.

Wayne
 

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I've definitely been converted to "tree hugging", but as a profit motivate businessman, and an analytical one at that, am carefully assessing each potential move before making them in a gradual fashion.

I could therefore post the world's longest TUG post on this, but will spare you, just a few thoughts for now :

Personal - House :
- tankless water heaters. Forget electric (nowhere near efficient enough compared to gas), and be careful with gas, due to the (already posted) inefficiencies of wasting water as it heats up and moves around the house... also, if you are in a high humidity area and mount these on outside walls....I'm pretty worried about them rotting well before they hit pay back.
- old fashioned heaters. Get one with proper lagging and a decent digital and programmable thermostat... ancient history in Europe, but standard US water heaters are still using 30+ year old technology standards (minimal lagging, always on, thermostat is a screw you turn).
- A/C. Be careful, don't go to the absolute highest SEER unit, the payback is just not there once you get past about 16 to 18 SEER
- Roof insulation - I've decided to go for open cell foam (after MUCH research). Expensive, but payback is there in a hot climate
- Roof material. For both hurricane preparedness and insulation, standing seam roof.. and WHITE... don't believe them when they say with the new coatings you are just as reflective and emittive with coloured roofing, their own stat make clear what we all learned in school.. white reflects best.
- House direction... if you have this choice.. in a hot climate, face the house to the North, in cold climate, to the South.. again, obvious stuff
- Windows... in a hot climate, get the right windows (low E), double glazed.. if you plan to use the a/c a lot.
- Cistern. In my hot climate (with all water being desalinated), I've gone back to the old fashioned idea of building a cistern under the garage, with that water to be used for landscaping, pool, and toilet flushing.
- Dual flow toilets.. yup, even though using cistern water, I bought them.. daft, eh ?
- Salt water chlorination in the pool... if you haven't converted, do it ! Better for the environment, lower running costs, and much nicer to swim in
- landscaping. If in an area where water is scarce / expensive... minimise the water suckers.. and grass... xeriscaping....

Personal - habits and small changes
- A/C (again).. don't run it lower than 79 (run fans to give more cooling, more efficient than running the a/c any cooler), and turn up to 82-84 during the day if you are out.
- Compact CFLs - only use them in areas where you don't continually turn on and off the light... light any fluorescents, life is based on cycles, not hours.
- Cars... drive less, trade in that SUV for something smaller.. my crystal ball shows old fashioned station wagons making a comeback... I've had a (small) station wagon for years... gets well over 30mpg
- Reusable grocery bags.... use 'em... and wherever possible don't take a bag in a store when they offer you one....
- bottles and cans... give up soda entirely, or if that fails, buy the 2l bottles rather than cans...... ban bottled water, refill bottles from the fridge dispenser (the filters help take out metallic flavours etc from city water)
- don't run the dishwasher / washer / dryer until they are full.....save water and power.
- try to minimise buying heavily packaged foods.. so cook more from fresh ingredients.. it tastes better anyway :)
- don't buy so many magazine or newspapers.. read the newspaper online (on our islands, over 30% of all waste is paper and cardboard!)

Cayman is terrible at recycling.... it is said we are too small a place to make it worthwhile... but for so wealthy an island, surely it is not too much to ask for us to be more responsible in looking after the place we live and where our children will live ? hmm

Oh, and as for our resort...lots and lots of stuff... so much in fact that I have an intern this summer working on collating all of this so we can track it and also communicate it to our guests and owners.... though having said that, we plan to do more and more in this area... just the right thing to do.

Right.. off back to lentil knitting and yoghurt making :)

Oh, and in case you think I am a total convert... I'm still a sceptic, I think carbon offsets are just an invention to a) cheaply salve consumer consciences, and b) enrich many middle men.... :)
 

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The trash companies charge EXTRA to pick up recycle products where my son and daughter live. I don't understand a big company not wanting to recycle, but they want it to be a money maker for them. That is ridiculous! Less trash in the dump is a good thing, but some people are too cheap to pay to recycle, so they just throw everything away.

I am very impressed with our own city because we have a one-can recycle program. We can put cardboard, junk mail, magazines, phone books, newspapers, plastic, glass, foil, tin cans, soda cans, etc., all into the same can.

JLB must be in Estes Park because I haven't seen him posting here in a while. Where oh where is JLB? I miss you, friend! And to think you are probably only an hour away from me right now, enjoying beautiful Estes Park. Have a wonderful time!

Old guys? Aren't you an old guy? :rofl:
 

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[triennial - points]
9 Trash & Recycling Trucks 9

In our county, commercial collection companies pick up curbside trash & curbside recycles & curbside bundled yard debris once or twice a week. Customers are billed & pay individually.

In some neighborhoods, the county also provides municipal collection, paid for by extra fees tacked on to residents' semiannual real estate tax bills. Neighborhoods served by the private companies can petition to have the county trucks come in instead. If some high percentage of residents sign on to the petitions, the county takes over.

The lady across the circle started 1 of those petitions. We signed. The Chief Of Staff's sister signed. Several other neighbors signed. But not everybody signed.

So now, we take from a private collection company that provides 1 pick-up a week & offers sr. citz. rates much appreciated by us old folks. The private collection company that was already picking up in this neighborhood still picks up for lots of the other neighbors. And 1 block away, the county's own refuse & recycle trucks make the weekly rounds.

So whereas we formerly had 1 set of big honking diesel powered trucks picking up refuse & recycles & yard debris around here, now we have 3 sets of big honking trucks covering the same territory.

How the proliferation of trucks -- doing the same job formerly handled by just 1 set of trucks -- is supposed to help environmental quality around here has not been explained.

So it goes.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 

Egret1986

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Yeah, where is JLB? I think somebody knows! Hmmm?

JLB must be in Estes Park because I haven't seen him posting here in a while. Where oh where is JLB? I miss you, friend! And to think you are probably only an hour away from me right now, enjoying beautiful Estes Park. Have a wonderful time!

Old guys? Aren't you an old guy? :rofl:

I also miss JLB. So much to share! Oh where, oh where is JLB? Just when I needed some expert info and opinions on Southwest FL. Anyone know what has become of JLB? ;)
 

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Jim is alive & doing well as we just saw him, his luvly wife & friends just last week. We played golf with them including RaP, had some dinner, drinks, you know the rest.

Jim is over at www.TimeshareForums.com as he has been for years, doing his thing! Come over & say hi to him as he would really want to talk to ya & give his recommendations as he always has here on Tug.
 

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JLB reports that the aluminum can recycling bin is still there.

He didn't mention if the "old guy" was still there or if "peace" had been made.

Hey, Jim, if you're anywhere out there in "la la" land lurking, post an update. I'm sure there's interest out there. Nothing since 2008 from you. What's up with that? :shrug:


There's a whole new generation of Tuggers that haven't had the benefit of your humor and such. Not to mention your vast knowledge on this and that.

Off topic, but what's going on in Southwest Florida? Inquiring minds want to know. :D
 
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