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Italy and Greece Trip Report

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Where did you find the anti-sweat polo shirts? Brand? Website?
We're booked on a long cruise with Celebrity.

Amazon. I'm sure there are other brands and such, but these shirts were very nice, and worked great for me. Well-made, and wore well. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VBRBPS3?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1&psc=1

Just before our cruise started, Celebrity offered a laundry bag thing through their Cruise Planner. We had an Onboard Credit in our account we used to cover the cost, so it was basically free laundry service.

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Amazon. I'm sure there are other brands and such, but these shirts were very nice, and worked great for me. Well-made, and wore well. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VBRBPS3?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1&psc=1

Just before our cruise started, Celebrity offered a laundry bag thing through their Cruise Planner. We had an Onboard Credit in our account we used to cover the cost, so it was basically free laundry service.

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Thank you :)
Yes, I took advantage of a recent sale and prepaid for laundry service.
 

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So let me understand- in order to use Airalo we have to take the physical SIM cards out of our phones when we get to the first airport in Munich? So we’d need a way to take it out- like a paper clip- and hope not to lose the SIM card? So tiny. Yikes!
If you buy a physical SIM card somewhere, whoever you buy it from will take your existing SIM out and put in the new one. They will have the little tool that your phone needs (it's essentially like a paperclip but a bit thinner). Just tape your existing SIM card to a piece of paper or a card and put it somewhere secure. It's really no big deal.
 

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Dave, I’m sitting here in pain with a newly broken shoulder and I have to say your post lifted my spirits, and reminded me there are good things to look forward to.

We have a trip planned for the fall of 2025 to Spain and France. We now might add a cruise to the mix . Thanks for the inspiration to start planning and thanks for all the time you spent writing such a detailed and thoughtful trip report. Just wonderful!
 

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Sounds like you had a good time. My first trip to Italy was the big three in reverse of your route, landing in Rome, train to Florence, with a side trip to Pisa, then on to Venice and flying home from there. It was only on a later trip that I took a side trip to Pompeii, which was well worth it. It is good you got a ship's tour there. There is much to see in Italy, but you hit the most important stops.

For Greece, we have generally done timeshare exchanges, with RCI to Rhodes and with DAE to Corfu. I had hoped to do a timeshare to Crete, but had not done so by the time I bailed out of that exchange company, and then DAE Europe was bought out. My wife and I have talked about renting a car there and going down the length of the island using hotels. We also got in a timeshare exchange to Venice through DAE.

On a first trip where you want to see a lot of things, timeshares often do not work so well as travelling by train or car (or ship) to see things over a wider area in a more practical manner. When you go back, you can choose an area you want to spend more time and a timeshare would makea more sense.

Your planning was clearly first rate, giving you a lot to see in your time in Greece and Italy.
 

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Dave, I’m sitting here in pain with a newly broken shoulder and I have to say your post lifted my spirits, and reminded me there are good things to look forward to.

We have a trip planned for the fall of 2025 to Spain and France. We now might add a cruise to the mix . Thanks for the inspiration to start planning and thanks for all the time you spent writing such a detailed and thoughtful trip report. Just wonderful!

Thanks very much, Gayle! Sorry to hear of your injury! Hope you can find a way to brighten your day. Planning a cruise might not be a bad way to go. Since you'll already be there, why not look into it? I used Costco Travel to book ours, and they coordinated with Celebrity on getting us all the credits and such we were due. It worked very well. Bonus: After we got home, I received a Costco Cash Card reward for booking through them.

Good luck!

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Sounds like you had a good time. My first trip to Italy was the big three in reverse of your route, landing in Rome, train to Florence, with a side trip to Pisa, then on to Venice and flying home from there. It was only on a later trip that I took a side trip to Pompeii, which was well worth it. It is good you got a ship's tour there. There is much to see in Italy, but you hit the most important stops.

For Greece, we have generally done timeshare exchanges, with RCI to Rhodes and with DAE to Corfu. I had hoped to do a timeshare to Crete, but had not done so by the time I bailed out of that exchange company, and then DAE Europe was bought out. My wife and I have talked about renting a car there and going down the length of the island using hotels. We also got in a timeshare exchange to Venice through DAE.

On a first trip where you want to see a lot of things, timeshares often do not work so well as travelling by train or car (or ship) to see things over a wider area in a more practical manner. When you go back, you can choose an area you want to spend more time and a timeshare would makea more sense.

Your planning was clearly first rate, giving you a lot to see in your time in Greece and Italy.

Thanks very much! I felt at first a lot like I was playing in a darkened room, trying to plan things. But as I figured out more of what we wanted to do, the methods to best do that became clearer. Moving from city to city wasn't bad, since we spread it out over the course of the trip, and the moving became part of the adventure. All in, I'm pleased with how the trip worked out.

Timeshares would have been fine, if we were going to be staying longer periods in the same area. But being a bit of a moving target, as we were, I don't think they'd have been as convenient for us. And yes - this was a "hit the high points" trip. We knew going in we wouldn't be able to see everything, and we didn't even try. What we did see was very enjoyable, and gives us a basis for planning future trips.

It was a fun vacation. Cant wait till we plan the next one! :D

Dave
 

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Thanks so much, Dave! Incredibly helpful!

So let me understand- in order to use Airalo we have to take the physical SIM cards out of our phones when we get to the first airport in Munich? So we’d need a way to take it out- like a paper clip- and hope not to lose the SIM card? So tiny. Yikes!

On top of everything we discovered today that though my husbands phone is supposed to be unlocked for some reason it isn’t. Straight talk doesn’t know why as they show it as being unlocked. So another dilemma.

I want to be able to make a phone call to a business in the USA like the airport car service we are using, for example, if we miss our returning flight with the short connection time, and also to call the travel insurance company ( very important!) or our travel agent if need be. I can’t imagine not being able to make a phone call in an emergency.

So I think we will definitely take 2 carryons, 2 small back packs and one checked luggage. Thanks for your input on that.

As for euros I’m thinking maybe $200- $250 for pocket, plus I need to find out about if we tip the tour director in Euros or USA. All other tips are included in the tour, but we still will have some at the airports plus the incidentals I mentioned. We aren’t shopping to bring home anything.

Do you need to know PIN numbers for the credit cards or do you just tap and go?
Hi... pin numbers are advised not not always used . It depends on the vendor. Re:phone. I have tmobile on my USA phone with no issues over here in EU. Perhaps have a look with them. I have had great luck with t mobile.
 

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Thanks, MaryAnn. It truly was everything we wanted from it. All the planning and research went pretty much to plan. I had each thing we'd scheduled printed out, (vouchers and such), and in chronological order in a manila envelope. On a given day, I took the next page(s) in the stack and carried it with me, as a backup in case my phone battery died, or something. I had a small daypack I carried, and on the back side of it was a flat zipper pocket too small for anything bulky, but a perfect place to slide that day's printed pages. It worked great.

Carry-ons was a challenge, and the first time we tried this. We packed easy-care clothes we could wash out in hotel rooms, but the weather was so humid, that didn't work out very well. We ended up finding a laundromat in Florence (a block from our hotel), and then we also did a bag of laundry on the cruise ship. We stretched things out. I took anti-sweat polo shirts that actually worked well for me, and I was able to wear the same shirt several times before it needed to be laundered. I wore shorts every day, and only wore long pants on the planes, and the days we were going to churches. (They have dress codes in a lot of locations.) By the time I got home, the only thing I had left "clean" was two pairs of socks. :D Next time, we'll check a bag and deal with it.

The eSim from Airalo worked flawlessly. Piece of cake. We'd previously changed our phones to eSims instead of a physical SIM card. So no physical card to hassle with. A few days before the trip we bought an Airalo eSim and installed it, but didn't activate it. (They have a time stamp from when they're activated, and expire at the end of that period.) When we boarded the plane for London, I put my phone in Airplane Mode, and switched from the Primary eSim from our cell carrier (Consumer Cellular) to the "Travel Airalo" eSim. Then I turned the phone off.

When we landed in London, I turned the phone on. The Travel Airalo eSim kicked in, it found a local network it wanted, and life was good. (On the way home I reversed the process.)

However: Everywhere you go has WiFi, and we didn't use much data at all. We connected to local WiFi as often as we could. We were able to send and receive emails and texts normally. We made voice calls back home using WhatsApp, which worked great. We didn't need to call any restaurants or tour people or anything, so didn't need to call anybody locally. On the occasions we needed a taxi, we asked the hotel desk clerk or shopkeeper if they'd call a taxi for us, which they were happy to do. That worked better, because they had a relationship with the taxi companies. Hailing a taxi on the street doesn't work. You need to go to a taxi stand stop, which may not be convenient.

We bought 10gb Airalo eSims, and we used the heck out of things the whole time we were gone. My eSim has 8.12 gb left on it. Jeff's has 7. So we could easily have purchased a lower eSim, and saved that cost. So I'd go with the cheapest eSim Airalo has available, knowing you can top-up if you run low. The Airalo phone app will tell you how much data you have left, and offer to top you up if you run low.

We took $500 in Euros with us. A few days before we left, our bank sent us a mix of Euros and British Pounds overnight (for a $10 fee), so we'd have pocket money. We used about half of the Pounds, but we used all of the Euros. We went to an ATM in Civitavecchia and got another $250 in Euros, because we'd used up what we took. We came home with only a 5 Euro bill left. The assorted Euro coins we accumulated was used as best we could, and we ended up leaving the rest of it behind as a tip for housekeeping in our last hotel, so we didn't have to carry it home.

When you use a credit card to pay for something, if any machines asks if you want them to make the exchange rate, or let your credit card make the exchange, always tell it to let the credit card or your bank make the exchange - you'll get a better rate. If you let the merchant or the ATM do it, you won't get as good a rate. Avoid EuroNet ATM machines - they're common, but they have sneaky ways to trick you into paying extra costs. When possible, use an ATM associated with a bank, and not in a merchant shop or on the street.

We used Euros as needed for things, as you suggested, but we used a credit card when we needed to pay a higher amount. Everybody takes credit cards, and has the little machines where you tap to pay. The credit card was never out of our hands.

As for toilets - we only needed to pay one time. Every restaurant and many shops have a toilet. All you have to do is ask where it is. No charge.

Tips: Make note that in Italy and Greece, tipping is not expected. Waitstaff are paid well, and tipping is optional. Only do it for exceptional service.

BTW, I know you were concerned about Mt. Etna. Our cruise ship went between Sicily and the tip of Italy's boot. The skies as far as we could see over Sicily were blue and clear. No sign of anything volcanic was going on.

Have fun!

Dave
Re: tips... 1 to 2 euros is fine. Lunch tips not expected but for dinner we usually do 2 per person for a €30 to 40 bill.
 

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I forgot to post this. When we were in Turkey, we stopped at a rug weaver. They had a tremendous selection of beautifully handmade rugs. We bought this beauty.


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Pompeii is so impressive. My favorite part of the trip we took in April.
 

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Pompeii is so impressive. My favorite part of the trip we took in April.
It was really amazing how much they've learned about what happened. The even more amazing part was learning how deeply the city was covered in ashfall. If you look at the image I posted of that Pompeii street, you can see the height of the ash behind the building across the street. It must have been terrifying for the residents there.

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I forgot to post this. When we were in Turkey, we stopped at a rug weaver. They had a tremendous selection of beautifully handmade rugs. We bought this beauty.


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Boy, they have a racket! We have a couple of them purchased in Morocco and in China! They're as bad as timeshare weasels! We still LOVE our rugs, but nobody knows if they're a good buy or not!
 
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Boy, they have a racket! We have a couple of them purchased in Turkey and in China! They're as bad as timeshare weasels! We still LOVE our rugs, but nobody knows if they're a good buy or not!
How much is the shipping on something like that?
 

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How much is the shipping on something like that?
Since we were on the cruise, it was included. They shipped it through the cruise line, somehow. So no taxes, customs fees, or shipping. It'll be here within about six weeks.

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Since we were on the cruise, it was included. They shipped it through the cruise line, somehow. So no taxes, customs fees, or shipping. It'll be here within about six weeks.

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That makes sense. 🤙🏻
 

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Boy, they have a racket! We have a couple of them purchased in Turkey and in China! They're as bad as timeshare weasels! We still LOVE our rugs, but nobody knows if they're a good buy or not!

They only have value if you want someone to inherit them. We liked this rug, and wanted it for our living room. (Have you met my husband?? LOL! :D)

Dave
 

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They will have the little tool that your phone needs (it's essentially like a paperclip but a bit thinner). Just tape your existing SIM card to a piece of paper or a card and put it somewhere secure. It's really no big deal.
We always get a SIM removal tool with each new SIM card we buy/get. Our oldest DS gave me a thin metal card holder (I think for credit cards as it seems too big for business cards) and I keep our 2 US, 2 Belizean and 2 Canadian SIM cards in there along with 2 of the removal tools. It goes with us on every vacation outside of Canada. When switching SIMs I tape the removed little punch-out bit to the appropriate card, then I put the new SIM card in. Everything is all in 1 spot and the little punch-out parts do not get lost, even if the tape doesn't hold it to the bigger part of the card. A Ziploc snack size bag might work almost as well.

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I forgot to post this. When we were in Turkey, we stopped at a rug weaver. They had a tremendous selection of beautifully handmade rugs. We bought this beauty.


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Of course you did! Anything to get away from them! Seriously, it's a good looking rug! :giggle:
 

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Hi... pin numbers are advised not not always used . It depends on the vendor. Re:phone. I have tmobile on my USA phone with no issues over here in EU. Perhaps have a look with them. I have had great luck with t mobile.
Thanks. I really don’t want to switch to another company just because of a 2 week vacation. Been with Straight Talk for many years. Plus my husbands phone is locked and shouldn’t be but Straight Talk can’t figure out why because they show it as being unlocked.

When I call our credit card companies to tell them we’ll be overseas I’ll ask them what our pins are because I have no clue. Never had to use a pin.
 

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Wow! Your trip report was great! You hit everything important and helped me relive a recent trip. And now......I think you've unwittingly issued a challenge! I'm looking forward to seeing more trip reports and I'm going to work hard on writing my own next trip.
 

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Of course you did! Anything to get away from them! Seriously, it's a good looking rug! :giggle:
They weren’t bad. This was actually at a second location, after the tour.
 

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When I call our credit card companies to tell them we’ll be overseas I’ll ask them what our pins are because I have no clue. Never had to use a pin.
In the past 12 months we've been to Italy, France, England, Scotland and Ireland, and not once did we ever need our credit card PIN. Everything is just tap to pay. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Wow! Your trip report was great! You hit everything important and helped me relive a recent trip. And now......I think you've unwittingly issued a challenge! I'm looking forward to seeing more trip reports and I'm going to work hard on writing my own next trip.

Thanks, Jody! I hope the info is of some use. Visiting a famous place is the easy part, I think. The hard part is the moving around before and after. :)

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In the past 12 months we've been to Italy, France, England, Scotland and Ireland, and not once did we ever need our credit card PIN. Everything is just tap to pay. I wouldn't worry about it.

Kurt
That was my experience, too.

Dave
 
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